Talk:City of Manchester Stadium

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Contents 1 Random 2 My revert 3 Where to put this? 4 Recent additions 5 Image in infobox 6 Today's featured article 7 Broken formatting 8 Pitch dimensions 9 Lease

[edit] Random

The stadium is also called Boo-camp and Tameside Stadium by supporters of Manchester United.

Also, what happened to the naming of one stand the Bell End?

There should be a note stating that "football" in foreign countries really means "soccer".

[edit] My revert

I reverted the addition of the phrase Man City is short for Manchester City as in the phrase, "the fans of Man City"., as I don't see why explaining that abbreviation (which is not used anywhere in the article) is required in the lead. Oldelpaso 17:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where to put this?

Following the success of the Commonwealth Games, the decision to convert the stadium into a football venue received criticism from athletics figures such as Jonathan Edwards and Sebastian Coe,^[1]

I think the above sentence should go in the article somewhere, but I'm not sure where. Oldelpaso 10:32, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent additions

While I've seen "Citadel" jokingly used once or twice in fanzines, it is not a nickname in common use. As for ground expansion, I have heard that the option for expansion is there if needed, but I have not been able to find a reliable source saying that, and it is certainly false to imply that such an expansion is currently planned. Oldelpaso 19:32, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Addendum: Sportcity is the area where the stadium is based rather than a name for the stadium itself, and encompasses the athletics track, Velodrome etc. COMS or CoMS is an abbreviation rather than a nickname. As for "Council House", it may be used pejoratively by United fans, but certainly not by Blues. Oldelpaso 17:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

It's not specified who uses the nickname(s). This isn't a Blues' page, this is an encyclopedia. A large number of people refer to Eastlands as The Council House, their politics don't detract from that fact. We shouldn't be partisan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.232.5 (talk • contribs) 22:47, October 12, 2006

No, we should not be partisan, and as Council House is a deragotory term used by some United fans (and only United fans) it should not be included. Likewise, Old Trafford ahould not refer to the ground as the Swamp, United fans should not be referred to as Rags nor City fans as Bitters. In any case nicknames need to be backed up by verifiable material from reliable sources before they can be considered. Oldelpaso 16:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

If you can find some citations for the nicknames then I'm good. You can't just add in names that you and your mates have made up though. I'm talking citations from national or local press. The Manchester Evening News would be a good place to start. I assume that the derogatory nicknames will be excluded by this condition. aLii 17:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, if a major news source or other item which qualifies under Wikipedia:Reliable sources states a nickname for a ground, the article can include a mention of this, providing it is in the proper context. I seem to remember this (or a similar debate) coming up over on the project page a while back, and I said then that I felt that the "official" or most popular nickname was suitable for inclusions in infoboxes, but any others should be worked into the main article in an appropriate section. QmunkE 17:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Here's a reference to the nickname The Council House, although I don't know how reliable this qualifies as being. It seems to be written by a United Fan. http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g187069-s406/Manchester:United-Kingdom:Sports.And.Activities.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.129.162.74 (talk • contribs) .

As that is a wiki-style site along the lines of Wikitravel, it is not something which would be classed as a reliable source (take a look at the page's history). Oldelpaso 19:59, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image in infobox

Is this really the best image to use in the infobox? It seems a bit dark and half the picture is of some tarmac (no offense intended to the photographer!). Can a better image not be found? QmunkE 17:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Looking at the details for that image, I thought it was free use, but its CC-by-SA, so it probably should be changed given that there's plenty of truly free use pictures of the stadium available. There's an image of the stadium exterior on commons, Image:CIMG1439.JPG which has better lighting, though that also has a significant proportion of tarmac in the picture. I have plenty of self-taken pictures of the interior, but none of the exterior. I had a look on Flickr, but there's no Creative Commons pictures which are better than what's already here. Perhaps Image:CIMG1422.JPG would be the best for the infobox? Oldelpaso 18:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Today's featured article

I have suggested this article for use on the Main Page as Today's featured article. Please feel free to add your comments here. Kingjamie 12:13, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to suggest that you copy your submission there (which is a nice summary) to the lead here. Your current lead is a bit thin. --kingboyk 21:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Broken formatting

The article currently has some kind of broken formatting. I've taken a look at the coding but cannot find the cause. The error may cause this article to breach its featured article status, so an editor familliar with the article could do with taking a look at it asap. Jhamez84 14:26, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

It was a problem with the infobox. Since sorted. Jhamez84 10:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

the article is too long for an article on a sports stadium Johncmullen1960 09:11, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pitch dimensions

The infobox currently shows the pitch's length to 1mm. I don't believe it - I'd say that within 1 metre (note Eurospelling!) is sufficient. -- BPMullins | Talk 05:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lease

Is the lease with Manchester City really 250 years? I'll add the citation needed. Limasbravo (talk) 13:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, see for example [1], [2], [3] or [4]. Oldelpaso (talk) 16:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)