Talk:Citizen Change

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[edit] Based on "Get rich or die"?

I guess that "Vote or die" is based on "Get rich or die trying", but has anyone behind the slogan confirmed this? Andjam 11:06, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Allegations of pro-Kerry bias

JIZZZZZ While allegations of pro-Kerry bias sound plausible (though 50 cent has recently made pro-Bush comments) they should be regarded as merely allegations. Describing the evidence for the allegations may be a good idea though. Andjam 00:56, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

It's pretty obvious: most rap listeners would vote Democrat if they felt that voting was worthwhile. Convincing people to vote with rap music would therefore create mostly Democrat votes. Lukesed 19:38, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oh my..

Dear god, is this real? America amazes me sometimes.. --^pirate 17:33, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes. -Orborde 21:10, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Isn't this "Vote or die!" slogan threating and so against the law (or constitution) in USA? I think it would be in Europe...
Like the article says, it was hyperbolic (and pretty obviously so). It wasn't a threat, it was a warning that if Americans didn't take control of their own fate and the fate of America by voting, then people with ambitions and goals counter to the health of the country would take power, leading to the death of Americans. It was pretty blatantly anti-Bush. - Ecksem Diem 15:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
It isn't against the law- we hold freedom of speech as sacred in America, to an extent which Europe does not. Rudy Breteler (talk) 21:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] False Choice

I think the whole "Vote or Die" campaign was idiotic but is it really an example of false choice?

The vote or die command doesn't imply that you can only vote for Republican or Democrat. It doesn't exclude the endless amount of alternative parties such as the Green Party or the Libertarians.

Maybe these activists should address the major problem of our election system which is the myth of a bipartisan system. George Washington warned against the dangers of political parties and refused to belong to any one party. People need to be informed that they have a choice besides Democrat and Republican which has always been the choice between the lesser of two evils.

    - It's a false choice because you are not limited to only two options - vote or die.  Dope. 71.240.219.38 23:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:VoteorDie.PNG

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BetacommandBot 14:43, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality

The general feel of this article is that it is against the campaign. The main article body focuses highly upon the parodies of the organization, and then there is an opposition section which further seems to discredit them. Despite the fact that the general consensus is that the campaign is really stupid, Wikipedia is an informational source only, and should not express opinions. 82.5.57.238 (talk) 13:49, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

The parodies and "false choice" rhetoric are both valid parts of this article. Wikipedia doesn't simply remove information because there is too much of it on one side, it only removes the information is there is a perceived bias in its tone. I don't feel that this is the case here.Rudy Breteler (talk) 21:15, 5 March 2008 (UTC)