Talk:Cistercians

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For REAL history of the Cistercians see THIS page:

http://www.faculty.de.gcsu.edu/~dvess/ids/medieval/cist.html

--Owenaprhys 1 November 2005 02:41 (UTC)

This article needs some more headers; I don't think I'm quite fit to introduce them though. --Kiwibird 3 July 2005 02:41 (UTC)

I removed the TOCright template as it didn't seem appropriate for this article. See templates for deletion discussion for rationale. QVanillaQ 6 July 2005 01:02 (UTC)

I removed the word 'Gimey' as I can find no authentic reference to this being a name for the Cistercians. --Owenaprhys

Contents 1 Cistercians Influence on Wine 2 References 3 List of Monasteries 4 Problem with image of consecration of Cluny

[edit] Cistercians Influence on Wine

There is quite a bit of information that can go here, potentially enough for its own article. However, I think it would be best to keep it contained in this article. I'm going to be working on putting some things together for this addition. Any other input would be appreciated! Agne27 04:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

If I remember, any item listed as the source of a footnote should also be listed in the list of references, which is not the case with this article yet. Otherwise, I believe the article probably qualifies as "B", and have indicated as much above. John Carter 14:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I have altered the citation of Tobin to be consistent with other references, but the citation of Maitland is still incomplete. Peterkingiron 20:31, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Monasteries

This list seems to be growing out of proportion with the article. Almost all the monasteries have articles, so that a list has little merit in its own right (as a means of identifying articles that are needed. Might I suggest that the list should be deleted since they already appear in thecategory Category:Cistercian monasteries. Peterkingiron 11:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I not the lack of response to the above. Perhpas an alternative would be for the list to be forked into a separate article. This should tabulate the monasteries with date of creation and abolition. It should be divided by country, not merely continent, and should perhaps segregate existing monasteries (some of which are quite recent) for ancient ones. A further column should deal with sub-classifications, such as trappist. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

That is a much better idea. Dgf32 (talk) 15:35, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I will look into doing this in the future. --Grimhelm (talk) 12:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I made a lot of edits without looking at this very recent discussion. The Cistercians in Yorkshire project at the University of Sheffield [1] is a great source. I propose to use it to make daughter pages on List of Cistercian abbeys in Britain and List of Cistercian abbeys in Ireland. There is also some comment on the Sheffield website that could be used in this article about the spread of the order in Britain and the association with sheep farming. Itsmejudith (talk) 14:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I did not see this comment, and as a result I went ahead with a different list. I think that we will only list the abbeys that are UNESCO Heritage Sites in the main article (Cistercians), and the rest will go to List of Cistercian monasteries. This list is organised by general region and then by the date of founding. Some sections of the list will have to be split off eventually, so having separate lists of British abbeys and Irish abbeys is also good to have (as there are so many of them in these areas).

New information on the order's spread and sheepfarming in Britain can be kept in this article in the history section. --Grimhelm (talk) 16:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with image of consecration of Cluny

Given that the Cistercian order came into existence in part as a critical response to the Cluniac order and its opulence, it doesn't seem to me appropriate or relevant -- and may even be confusing to someone trying to learn about the Cistercians -- to have an image of the consecration of Cluny in this article. I would argue that it belongs in the article about Cluny or the Cluniac order. Why is it here? Just because Cluny is mentioned? Jjshapiro (talk) 22:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I see your point. A picture of Citeaux would have been more appropriate for the Polity section, but the pictures of Citeaux on Wikipedia are a little later than the founding of the order. Do you have any suggestions? --Grimhelm (talk) 23:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

No, not from what's present in my brain. I'm aware of that problem, and am not enough of a scholar of the period to be aware of any. I recently moved, and I have one or two art books about the Cistercians, but the books are in storage for a while, so I won't be able to look in them for a while. I suppose a Web search is in order. I actually know, very slightly, a monk in a French Cistercian monastery, and if other sources don't lead anywhere, I suppose I could write to him, but I have a general sense of not wanting to intrude into his and the monastery's spiritual life. Jjshapiro (talk) 00:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)