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[edit] Spoiler Topics

Just thought I'd mention this here... I would really appreciate it if people would stop including information from spoiler topics in this article before the chapter comes out. The info often is inaccurate, or at least worded badly since you only have one translator to go by. And that aside... I know that this article has a spoiler warning on it. However, I feel that the warning means that if you aren't caught up in the series, you will be spoiled. I don't think it's fair to people who DON'T read spoiler topics for us to include that info. Now, I don't mind minor adjustments. For example, I allowed Kaku's fruit because we'd seen it in chapter 401, all that was added for 402 was the name. For the Spandam/Spandine relationship, I allowed it since we already had it mentioned as probable and people simply removed words like "probably". However, adding things about Lucci possibly being defeated (420), Lucci's past (421), and so on is going too far, in my opinion. I know many people who are caught up with One Piece who refuse to read spoiler topics for various reasons. I don't think it's fair for us to have these kinds of things here even with the spoiler warning.

If you have a problem with this, please talk about it here. However, unless it is officialy decided by us to allow spoiler information, please don't put it into the article. Thank you.

Murasaki Seiko 22:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kaku's Fruit NOT Ushi Ushi!

Kaku's fruit has no official name yet.Besides, the giraffe is placed in it's own family, not the cattle family. Kaku 23:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

BTW, I haven't read 402 yet, so if its name is mentioned in 402, I apologize profusely. Kaku 23:17, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

In the spoiler and spoiler photos for chapter 402 (which are trustworthy) it is revealed to be ushi-ushi no mi, model: giraffe (well, 'moderu: jirafu', but same thing). So... yeah. It actually is. ^^; Murasaki Seiko 09:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v430/Tlin/Other%20Stuff/One%20Piece%20Stuff/ushiushinomi.jpg

There, pic from the chapter of it being called "ushi-ushi no mi, model: giraffe". ^_^ Murasaki Seiko 10:29, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I just read the chapter.Very sorry for the disturbance.:)Kaku 18:55, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the giraffe is in the cattle family. Learn some zoology!

[edit] Soru?

Soru is the ability to kick the ground to move at high speeds according to the article, so I have to wonder, is this the basis for Captain Kuro's abilities (which allow him to move so quickly he can't be seen?) If he's as smart as he says, than is it possible he was able to discover, at least in part, info on the six powers, or does his speed come from something else?

Kuro is more than two hundred episodes behind. Kuro is just REALLY fast. His speed is his main fighting ability.

Im sure Kuro is not as fast as the Soru users. He just moves really fast, just like luffy can move really fast. But luffy moves faster with the Soru. Lucky Roux (from the red hairs) is also really fast, but i doubt he uses the soru. Im sure that the Soru is a technique used to increase the speed for characters above thier normal speed. --Guille2015 18:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Haha, there's actually some mention of shakushi compared to soru in volume 42:

D (dokusha, reader): Which is faster, Captain Kuro's shakushi, or CP9's soru? Tell me!

O (Oda-sensei): Yes, I've had lots of questions about this. Captain Kuro's shakushi (from manga 5) was also really strong, wasn't it? To answer your question, they're about the same speed. However, when Captain Kuro uses that technique, he was going so fast that he had a weakness of not being able to tell who he was attacking. CP9 at that speed control themselves. So basically, if you were to have a contest, CP9 would definitely win.

So, basically... Kuro actually is just as fast, but since he can't control himself, he isn't anywhere near as dangerous. Murasaki Seiko 05:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Heck, Kuro is dangerous too. Since he can't see a thing, he attacks everything around him: his enemies, non-living objects and even his allies. That's nowhere near as dangerous?

no! Kuro, being as to how he can't see anything, is possible for his oppeonents to get away and not get hit, but soru could have them follow you, and you couldn't get away. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.100.32 (talk) 00:52, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

It says in the article that Luffy can use soru, Gear 2 and soru are completely differnt things unless I'm missing something. :/ - STAREYe 21:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

He can use Soru while in Gear 2, I forget which but it was either Blueno or Lucci that said he had copied Soru and Luffy was all "Yeah I noticed how you did that move and blah blah blah". That's paraphrased ;). 71.53.82.103 16:01, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Names

I'd just like to keep this straight with everyone editing this article... Please keep the names as they are. If you feel they should be spelled differently, let's discuss it here first. Currently, the spellings used are the most common ones. Unless an actual reason comes up (i.e., Oda-sensei actually writing the names out differently than we have them here), please discuss name changes in the article before doing so. Murasaki Seiko 06:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and changed "Jyabura" to "Jabura" mainly because translating "ジャ" as "Jya" is incorrect. See Hepburn romanization. Also, has Blueno's name ever been spelled out in English in the series? Because that looks really Engrishy. "Bruno" looks like it would be a more accurate translation. The Splendiferous Gegiford 01:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I know it's innaccurate to write that way. However, on Wikipedia, aren't we to use the most common spelling? A quick search on Google for "one piece jyabura" gives 6220 results, whereas "one piece jabura" gives only 2970. This is the most common fan-used spelling, and as we don't have any other name to go by (it's never been written out in English by the author), I belive that's how it should be judged, correct? I know that's what was why we were allowed to keep the page as "Roronoa Zoro" instead of "Roronoa Zolo"...

And yes, Blueno's name is actually written out on his bar, in both the anime and manga. Murasaki Seiko 21:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

It seems I noticed this comment a bit too late, as I created a new section to discuss the change. Anyway, it was written as Blueno on the sign for "Blueno's Bar", where he made his first appearence. Besides, it's supposed to be a reference to "Bluto" from Popeye. Sigmasonic X 04:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redoing the Article

Okay, I'm considering redoing the article, but I want everyone's opinions... I'd like to redo it similar to how the ones for Baroque Works and the Shichibukai are, where the article itself has all the generic info, and then give each character their own page... We'd keep up the CP description, CP9 description, rokushiki, douriki, maybe the animal thing, and a short description of each character, with a link to their page... If anyone wants to discuss this, please do! If nobody responds within about... a week, I'll just do it anyway, so as to match the other One Piece pages... Murasaki Seiko 01:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd strongly disagree with the notion of dividing this article into seperate ones. These characters are nowhere near the nobility threashold to warrent such (see WP:FICT). This article does need clean-up, though. -Zero^Talk 08:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Just to know what your opinion is... Do you feel the ones on the Baroque Works article (Mr. 1, for example) are worthy of their own page? If you feel they are... Then these guys definitely are as well. These articles on them were much longer and more detailed in the past, I've had to gone through and fix 'em up to make them work better on a page such as this... So this isn't all the information there is, there's at least as much as on the Mr. 1 article, and he has his own... So, do you feel that his is inappropriate as well? (BTW, this isn't an attack on your opinion, I'm truly curious. ^^ I'm not new to Wikipedia, but I only stick to the One Piece section, which isn't always managed in the best way, so I really don't know. ^^;; ) I do agree on the clean-up though, I'm gonna do that either way. ^_^ Murasaki Seiko 12:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree with the Baroque Works pages being sperate ethier. Most of them lack sufficnet information and don't elaborate enough to appeal to a wider audience. I proceeded to clean them up and add images to them last night night because they were already created, and I needed something to occupy myself with. I'm planning on merging them into a list article similar to this, so they can all be expanded upon in one location and searching through cats to find a character will no longer be a problem. -Zero^Talk 20:34, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Alright then, I'll leave these ones like this for now at least. ^_^ Lucci might get his own page at some point, though, as he'll need one by the end of the arc (since he IS the big "boss" of the arc... XD) I'll just work on cleaning up the article... Again... Murasaki Seiko 21:49, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe the techniques should be placed at the end of the article. I know they are used only by the CP9, but this arrangement has a third level in the contents that makes it awkward for a short article. --Guille2015 18:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Actuaslly if you do that, you'd have to do it for Galley La too, and possibly Franky Family articles. I like it how it is except perhaps we could put the varation attacks under the person who used them. Also, we might want to list former CP9, I know of at least two plus Spandine that appeared in Ohara.--Pyrgus 08:56, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Concerning Attacks and Where They Should Be Placed

Though this seems to be an unwritten rule, I shall clarify it here. All attacks related to Rokushiki are to placed under the Rokushiki section as variations, while all Devil Fruit or attacks otherwise unrelated to the six arts are to placed under the character's section. Sigmasonic X 05:07, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

How should the tekkai kenpou attacks be added, then? Jyabura is actually using it as a completely different fighting style (hence the reason it's tekkai kenpou before all the attacks instead of simply tekkai), so the attacks themselves aren't completely just tekkai variations (although the basic tekkai kenpou is), they are actually attacks... Which is why I had them listed in Jyabura's section instead of the tekkai section... I suppose we could list them as variations on tekkai kenpou, but that starts getting awkward... I guess I'm kinda stumped... I'd like to include them, since we've included all the other attacks and variations so far, and I do think that they fit best in Jyabura's section... but I can definitely see where the problem is...Murasaki Seiko 12:53, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I got it: we list all of the tekkai kenpo attacks in Jyabura's section, and put a note about it under the tekkai section, stating to go to Jyabura's section for more information. Sigmasonic X 05:16, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll set it up like that then. ^_^ Murasaki Seiko 05:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I've been thinking: this page is getting pretty big, so a way to save space might be to move all of the CPers attacks to the One Piece abilities section, while keeping the Rokushiki and it's variations here. Does anyone else think this is a good idea? Sigmasonic X 22:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't mind the idea personally... but first I'd like to rewrite the sections so they all are written similarly, no useless information, etc. (since they shouldn't be getting as much random editing anymore now that Spandam and Lucci are the only ones still up in the manga...). After that, if the page still seems too long, moving attacks is fine with me. ^^ Murasaki Seiko 02:47, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Attack Descriptions

Well, just thought I'd mention this here... I'm horrible at figuring out what each attack is actually doing. I've added the basic info for each attack (name, Japanese, translation, and user), but I need help with descriptions. ^^;; Currently, tobu shigan "bachi", rankyaku "hyoubi", and kamisori need descriptions, and tekkai "utsugi" might need more detail... If anyone can help, I'd appreciate it. Just for reference, the shigan move is on pages 13-14 of chapter 421, the rankyaku is on page 11 of chapter 421, the tekkai is on page 13 of chapter 421, and kamisori (Lucci's soru move) is on pages 12-13 of chapter 420, as well as page 10 of chapter 421. Thank you! Murasaki Seiko 12:56, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Corgi

Just a quick question... I do seem to remember him being mentioned as CP5 somewhere, but when I rewatched most of Water 7 yesterday I didn't hear any mention of it... So, does anybody remember when it was mentioned? Murasaki Seiko 22:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, it was mentioned that he was the leader of CP5 when he first appeared at Dock One, or when Franky and Kokoro talked in Blueno's Bar. Either way, I know for sure he is part of the Cipher Pol. Sigmasonic X 22:33, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Hm... checked both those places, and ended up checking pretty much everything in the manga... I couldn't find anything about it. o_O Unfortunately, he's minor enough to not even show up at the character descriptions at the beginning of the books (not even Jerry, Wanze, and Nero were, though, although T-Bone was... and Shanks still is...), and he doesn't even get an intro box with basic info like that... I mean, even Jerry got one, and he shows up for all of... about 4 pages or so... Actually, the only evidence I found either way for Corgi was AGAINST his being CP-anything... When they are explaining the train, they show where everybody is, and they all have their CP number above their names... yet Corgi has none. So... I'm lost here... I know I've seen people say he's CP5, and I seem to remember reading/seeing it in the series, but I can't find it... I'll go ask on AP and rewatch Water 7, I suppose... And if I can't find anything saying he is, we'll just have to move him to the WG page. Murasaki Seiko 06:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it might have been in SBS! I'll go check those now, and see if I can find it. ^_^ (While waiting for 422 raws... >_< ) Murasaki Seiko 06:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, it wasn't in SBS at all. XD I guess I've gotta resort to anime... Which'll take a while... maybe I'll just ask on AP. XD (Still waiting... >_<) Murasaki Seiko 07:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

-the corgi cp5 thing came into being because corgi and cp5 spandam in the flashback were the first to show that prominent WG symbol on their coats and back then no one knew that all cps had that symbol and that it was the sign of the WG so he really should be moved to the WG page since he is introduced as "World Government official".84.113.225.56 08:09, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

It's hard to put Corgi into the WG page since he performs duties characteristic of a regular Cipher Pol agent, essentially investigation and etc. So far it seems like all WG agents with simmilar motiffs like him currently shown in the manga seem to be classified as Cipher Pol since they're all performing similar duties. Only WG characters such as Baskerville and the Jury are clearly not of Cipher Pol occupation since it obviously clear their regular duties are different from Cipher Pol's. Until Oda gives a clear hierarchy of the WG like he did with the Marine/Navy with all it's different divisions, or personally states Corgi's division, it's best to list him here as such based on his duties.CalicoD.Sparrow 02:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, actually, all the people like him in the manga are always called yakunin (essentially "agents"), implying that they're simply random WG people... I think I'll move him to the WG page, though... I mean, CP is a division of the WG, so even the CP agents are technically WG agents. XD I'd say unless we can get confirmation, he needs to just be considered a WG agent... And I'm pretty sure that this whole CP5 thing just came up 'cuz of the Spandam connection as well, that's the only logical explanation I've ever found after re-reading and re-watching the entire arc. XD So I'll go ahead and move him until/unless we get actual proof. After all, he wouldn't technically be mislisted if it ended up he is CP, but if it ends up he's not then he's on the wrong page entirely if we leave him here. Murasaki Seiko 02:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rokushiki Ougi: Roku Ougan

shouldn't this be mentioned somewhere?

[edit] About "Lucci" word

I don't know if this will be worthy to add, but, being Italian, I'd like to be more precise on the word "Lucci".

The correct plural word for luce (light) is luci (lights), with only one c, but i think this depends on the romanization of stranger word in japanese. What it's be more interesting is that in Italian we have a meaning for "lucci".

It's the plural for "luccio", Northern Pike, the fish, adding something ferocious to his personality. That's it :)Cuttyflam 21:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Really? That's actually pretty interesting... and shows how much the Japanese actually know of Italian. XD Perhaps we should put a note on it? XD But a fish... XD That's just really amusing. Murasaki Seiko 21:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About "Jabura"

Someone changed all of the Jyaburas into Jaburas, stating that Jyabura is a horrible translation. However, Jyabura is a much more common translation of his name--the only person I've actually seen use "Jabura" is the translator stephen, and while he's one of the best One Piece translators around, his choice of name spellings can be questionable. So the question is this: should the name be kept as the supposidely more accurate "Jabura", or the much more commonly used "Jyabura"? Sigmasonic X 02:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Now, I'm not quite sure on this, but going by what I've seen previously on Wikipedia, I believe that we're supposed to use the most commonly used spelling. I know that was the case with Zoro (which is why the page is no longer "Roronoa Zolo"), so I belive that's the policy... I have no idea where to find that though... But until then, I'd say stick with Jyabura, as it is used much more commonly. I've only seen it as Jabura on a couple Japanese fansites and by a couple members on AP. XD I mean, really, if we're gonna get technical, it should probably actually be "Jabra", but I don't see anyone spelling it that way. ;) So, I'd say stick with Jyabura 'till we can find the Wikipedia policy on that kinda thing. Then we can change it if we need to. Murasaki Seiko 21:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

The policy that "solved" (using quotes because there's always the possibility that another dispute about Zoro's name will be brought up again) the Zoro/Zolo dispute was "If a native spelling uses different letters than the most common English spelling (eg, Wien vs. Vienna), only use the native spelling as an article title if it is more commonly used in English than the anglicized form." That doesn't exactly apply here as not only is there no Viz name for him, there's no romanized version of his name in the Japanese One Piece manga/anime. So that policy doesn't work with this. I've argued this several times in the Zatch Bell! pages; if there's no official English name, the best name to go with is the most accurate name, not the most popular.

Speaking of using romanizations to determine characters' name spelling, why is this not applied to all OP articles? Enel's name is written out as "Enel" in one of the video games, yet why is his name still spelled "Eneru" here? The Splendiferous Gegiford 23:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I've asked what to do. Once we have a response, I'll tell you guys what the decision was and change it if necessary. Until then, let's just keep it like this.

And about "Enel"... If we're going by video games, then we should change the Franky page to "Flanky". XD XD Seriously, though... I think it's actually written as "Enel" in Grand Adventure, which would make that the official English name, meaning that should be used, correct?

Although it's kinda unfortunate for Bon-chan... I mean, Oda-sensei wrote his name out as "Bon Kurei", but since "Bon Clay" is more common and is used in the English, we can't change it... Murasaki Seiko 05:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I was told two different things by two different people. XD One said the more common name was more encyclopedic, but the other said to use Hepburn romanization according to WP:MOS-JP. But when I looked at that, it said this:

Names should be romanized according to common usage, which includes unconventional romanizations by licensees.

So... that says common usage... so, according to that, it looks like common usage beats out "correct" romanization. Meaning that "Jyabura" should be used, instead of "Jabura". Murasaki Seiko 20:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Alright, update on all this. XD I asked over on WP:MOS-JP. From the responses I got, it seems that (although it was agreed that the y makes it look stupid), it's probably best to use the "Jyabura" spelling, as it's by far the most common spelling of the name. Murasaki Seiko 07:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Question, what were some of the other names Oda gave when he spelled it "Jabra"?

I'll check all of 'em when I go get my manga here in a few minutes, but I do remember Rucchi and Iceberg... not sure if there were any others... Well, others that contradict him. He also wrote "Pauly", but since he's never had his name written before, who knows if it's right or not. Murasaki Seiko 22:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seiyuu

Is there any point to having links to the seiyuu who don't have Wikipedia pages? Murasaki Seiko 21:56, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

It's always kinda been an unwritten rule to link to seiyuu or voice actors who don't have an article. There's always the chance one will get made, after all. The Splendiferous Gegiford 23:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, really? I hadn't ever seen it happen before. XD I'll leave it like this, then. Murasaki Seiko 05:44, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spandam's laugh?

I'm listening to it and all I hear is "da". Was it written as "wa" in the manga or something? The Splendiferous Gegiford 00:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's always written with a way over-emphasized "wa" at the beginning... Onosaka just does it weird. XD Murasaki Seiko 02:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nero and Mihawk?

Hey, I see a vague similarity between Nero and Mihawk. Is it just me? If you alter a few things to Nero's face, they practically look like father-and-sonTrunksamurai 17:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CP 9th member

I was reading and it say their a 9th secert member to the CP9, but we only know 8 members. So the 9th member could be Hattori (Rob Lucci Pigeon). We know little of this bird, and that he only the last member at the Enies Lobbys' Tower of Justice next to Rob Lucci.

It's Nero Belgium EO 16:32, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Jabra"

I've seen the thing that calls him "Jabra" over at Arlong Park, and there seems to be a debate over there as to whether or not it's real. I've seen the official popularity contest, and the "Jabra" thing looks nothing like it. Until there is proof it is real, I will remove the statement. Belgium EO 16:32, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

It is real, I've got the manga here myself and am the one who put that in there myself when I saw it. It wasn't when they first published the results, it was in volume 43, where the results were republished, and the names were written in English for the top 20 characters.

(As Oda-sensei wrote them:

Monkey D. Luffy
Roronoa Zoro
Sanji
Tonytony Chopper
Nico Robin
Usopp (Soge King)
Nami
Mihawk
Kaku
Portgas D. Ace
Shanks
Rucchi
Franky
Smoker
Vivi
Kuzan
Jabra
Pauly
Iceberg
Tashigi

The two I bolded are the ones that make me unsure of whether these should be considered official or not, as he's spelled them both other ways before (Lucci and Iceburg)...)

That's also where results 51-99 came from, as the original publishing only had the top 50 characters. I don't know if this is proof enough for you, if it isn't then I could scan in all 6 pages of it, I suppose... --Murasaki Seiko 22:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Where did he spell out Lucci's name earlier? The Splendiferous Gegiford 15:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, that one was more of an agreement with the way a reader spelled it, in volume... I don't remember which one... 40-something's SBS. --Murasaki Seiko 21:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Was that for the whole "Light" thing? I'm not sure if that's really applicable as the Italian word for light is "Luce" not "Lucci". The Splendiferous Gegiford 00:31, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I notice that too when I looked it up. However if it is written in a SBS then we can't very much crib about it. I can only think it would a result of how the Japanese would pronounce the name "Lu-Ce" (Lu-ci). :/ Angel Emfrbl 08:03, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Was it written in English as "Lucci" in the SBS though? I know it's spelled that way in AP's translations. The Splendiferous Gegiford 03:05, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it was. I actually have a scan of it here (from when I needed to convince the rest of the group to stop spelling it "Lucchi" and let me translate it as "Lucci"...). --Murasaki Seiko 00:09, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thanks. The Splendiferous Gegiford 18:08, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Error in Lucci's Section

It says: "At the Galley-La headquarters in Water 7, Lucci effortlessly defeated Luffy in a relatively short fight, the only person other than Crocodile to do so." Are we forgetting about Ao Kiji and Smoker or something?

[edit] New articles

I think Spandam, Rob Lucci, Kaku, Jyabura, and Rokushiki should have thier own articles since the information in thier respective sections are quite long.--Greedisland14 01:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Well a lot of uneeded info is here... If you cut that out, keeping the bare minium, you might find you only need one for Rob Lucci. Angel Emfrbl 07:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CP1-CP4 and CP8

Just wondering-could we make blank sections for the unintroduced Cipher Polls?We also have sections for Mr. 6 and Miss Mother's Day,Mr. 10 and Miss Tuesday and Mr. 12 and Miss Saturday in the Baroque Works article and nothing in them (except a brief note dor Mr.6)

New Babylon 07:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removing the techniques

We've had attacks been taken away... But whats the difference between the CP9 6 style techs and the other attacks? Answer: nothing. I've been thinking about this since X-mas, I think its time they either had their own page or were removed. We have a better place for them on the Wikia. Angel Emfrbl 16:06, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spandam Dead?

It is quite obvious, Spandam is dead. Episode 311 showed it all. While it was not clarified in the manga, a broken spine in the anime version is as a good cause of death as any. For a decision such as killing off a major character, Toei surely consulted Oda and got a go ahead. I'm not suggesting labeling Spandam as "Deceased" in the Cipher Pol page nor anything. I would rather leave that decision to someone else. I'm simply pointing the obvious out. I'm guessing this event makes Robin the second Straw Hat ever who killed on screen, after Mr. Bushido of course. Dukelagold 21:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Ehm,you DO realise Pell survived a bomb being detonated in his "beak" that was said to be able to whipe out the entiere city (ca. 1 mile if im no mistaken). New Babylon 2 15:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the bomb was in his talons, not his beak. The point remains, however.

Okay, now there is a status thing that says that everybody of CP9 is dead, including Blueno and Kumadori whose fate is still unknown. Just because Enies Lobby was destroyed by Buster Call doesn't it mean they all died there. Reaper9 14:42, 25 July 2007 (GMT -3:00)

Except that it pretty much does. That's the whole point of Buster Call and since none of them were concious to attempt to survive, they are almost ceartinly dead. The only one that might potentially have survived is Lucci, I seem to remember him landing on one of the BC ships. Im not 100% though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.0.93.233 (talk) 19:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spandine 8 Dourikis

Okay,where this from? New Babylon 2 15:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Spandamamadamdam had a 8 Dourikis. Not his father Spandingadingaline. Angel Emfrbl 22:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was 9.And "had"?Youu really think hes dead?(Dont mis-understand me,I hated him,but stil.......) New Babylon 2 06:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I was not suggesting either were dead, merely speaking from memory of events in the past chapters not character health conditions. Angel Emfrbl 08:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neros 570 Dourikis

Okay,where does THIS come from?If its from a grand data file,you have to write it down,otherwise theres no verification of that possible.

New Babylon 2 13:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lucci's name is not based on the Italien word Luce.

Someone asked this in SBS, and Oda Tenshi wrote that he had no idea thats what it meant. Anyone else remember this question?

I must admit, even I looked this word up when the question came up and found the incorrectness and for a while didn't know how they might up come to that... Then I saw a non-english fan somewhere asking if Kurei meant "curry" due to a lesser grasp of english/Japanese prounication (excuse spelling) and confusion of the english/Japanese language (ku-rei instead of seeing it as one word). I always put the fan who asked it down to the way the Japanese break up the names, so Luce might end up being seen like this to a Japanese person: Lu-ce = Lucci, if you saw it in that logic you wouldn't think that the name would be pronounced as one whole word. But generally, it seems to have come out of a misunderstanding somewhere. Angel Emfrbl 07:57, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 16:08, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CP9's ages

Where's their age coming from? A sourcebook or something?

Its from the SBS released from the volumes, but as usual they've not been referenced (again). Angel Emfrbl 19:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 07:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CP9's voice actors

Are those american voice actors (Jerry Jewell for Kaku, for example) confirmed? They don't look like it. Exmortisa (talk) 18:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)exmortisa

I am puzzled by this too... But they maight have come from FUNimation supplying the Voice Actors for the Game One Piece: Unlimited Adventure, which comes out next year. Angel Emfrbl (talk) 20:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spoilers

Jesus, this has to be the most spoiler filled article I've ever come across, ever. Without any warning either. Bam, there's a giant picture with characters everyone near the beginning the story arc would be familiar with, right there as members of CP9 with no warning whatsoever. Fantastic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.166.131 (talk) 14:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

ote: wikipedia has spoilers everywhere. This article was fixed and the spoilers removed once, but they slip on whenever you take your eyes off it. Angel Emfrbl (talk) 15:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

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