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[edit] Empty Syntax to help with BC settlements

Hi CindyBo,

Here is the empty syntax that I've been using from settlements in BC. It helps get things started more quickly by copy and pasting. Some parameters may need to be changed like Time zone PST to MST and "Settled" may be better changed to "Founded" or "Incorporated". Also, remember to fill in the type of settlement if it is not a city. If you have any questions/problems, ask me on my talk page as I am not going to be watching this one. —MJCdetroit 03:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

<moved Settlement Infobox to my sandbox>

[edit] Moyie (sternwheeler)

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[edit] Moyie (sternwheeler)

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[edit] RE:Ship inbox

Glad you like the infobox. The flag that would probably be used would be Image:Flag of Canada-1868-Red.svg. It was used from 1868 to 1920. You can look here if you need any other canadian flags. If need help with anything or have questions, let me know. --​​​​Dtbohrer​​​​^{talk•contribs} 13:31, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A detail about footnote templates

Howdy Cindybo I don't know if you have run across this problem or found a solution to it, but if you have, please share it. --KenWalker | Talk 00:43, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I've run across that problem a lot, but had no idea what to do with it until I read the answer to your question at the help desk. I'm not sure how many cites is considered many enough to use that template, but I tried it at BC Express (sternwheeler) and it seems to look okay. I imagine it could get to be a bit of overkill, but it's a good solution for now.CindyBo^talk 06:58, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

A later answer gave an even better approach, using the {{fp|page numbers}} template. I have rejigged the footnote you did at BX (sternwheeler) using this. I hope I didn't get any of the footnotes crossed up. BTW, I notice the BX pub link is a 404. Not sure if it is gone or just down for the moment. I am nominating this as a Good Article as I think it meets WP:WIAGA. --KenWalker | Talk 00:29, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the nomination and help with the footnotes, the article does look far better with the footnotes like that and the new ship infobox. I got rid of that dead link, they don't seem to have a site up anymore and it was just a couple more pictures anyway. I've been trying to fix up the footnotes on all my older articles and that new template for page numbers will be great, especially at ones like Omineca Gold Rush which is all basically from different pages of one source.CindyBo^talk 01:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plus

I noticed when you started a new topic on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships, you edited the last topic. Rather than scrolling down to the bottom, just use the "+" tab at the top of the page. It prompts you for the new topic and also makes the edit history cleaner. HTH. --J Clear 02:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Nomination

I got a reply to that GA nomination for your BX article, check out my talk page. --KenWalker | Talk 07:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I looked at the BX's talk page and I can address the concerns there quite easily, I think. Much of that wording (and raving) is paraphrased from Willis West's book about the BC Express Company and the BX was the pride of their business. And it is honored in Prince George and remembered when the other eleven aren't, but I probably laid it on a bit thick without backing it up. I'll go over my sources here and see what I can improve.CindyBo^talk 07:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I added more notes and took out the weasel worded raves. I do think it's much better. Although I'm not sure what the reviewer meant by criticisms of the boat. I've never read any criticisms of the BX, but I can't see how to cite that. Certainly Art Downs and Willis West never said a word against her, nor is there any in the local histories written by the settlers or in the local newspapers. Paddle steamers like the BX were idolized by the towns they served because they were the main lifeline to the outside world, as all other means of travel and receiving and shipping goods was horrendously difficult at the time. Even after the GTP was completed, Quesnel still needed paddle steamer service, as can be proven by the fact that the government gave the BC Express Company that subsidy to keep the BX running. So overall there's... no criticisms, but less raving :).CindyBo^talk 09:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

The 2a and 2c comments seem to have been addressed. This is an aspect that had not seemed to me to be a problem in the first place but with the comments from another set of expert eyes, it really does improve the tone of the article, more encyclopedic, lends credibility. The dollar references add nicely to the article. I wonder whether steamship companies had to report to any government departments that might have left a record of their finances. You would think that if they received government subsidies, they would have had to prove they needed them. If they were provincial government subsidies there might be something in some archive in Victoria. Is there anything in the sources you have that says whether it was the province or the feds or which ministry etc? I have a daughter in Victoria who I might persuade to go and root around in some archive down there but that likely wouldn't be available within the week. The "There is not much about the criticism of the boat. If there was none, say it and cite it." comment, like you, has me stumped. Is there criticism of other paddlewheelers? Some cite that where a source grumbles about them being slow or unreliable could be cited by comparison but that sounds kind of contrived to me. I have trouble figuring out how one can cite the absence of a comment. It is clear that the GA editor considers this important though. Maybe we should ask for clarification. Might be a good idea to do it early in the 7 day hold period so there is time to incorporate further suggestions. Do you want to ask for clarification? Would you like me to do that? Do you think there are any other changes to be made before we go back for help? I can't think of any. --KenWalker | Talk 15:51, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Undoubtedly, steamers had to report their earnings, but I don't know what information there is in Victoria, or where. West researched his books quite thoroughly and their footnotes are quite specific, so that should help:

The subsidies were definitely provincial. Here's what the source, West's article The BX and the Ruxh to Fort George says:

Early in 1918 the Quesnel Board of Trade, encouraged by members of the Provincial Legislature appealed to the newly elected Brewster Administration at Victoria to grant the BC Express Company a subsidy to enable it to restore its river service between Soda Creek and Fort George. In its appeal it was pointed out that settlers along the Fraser had been promised a railway (the PGE) whose failure to materialize had caused them great suffering, since they had no way of marketing their crops. It should also be pointed out that mining in the Cariboo had become stagnant owing, partially, to the greatly increased cost equipment now that that the low steamer rate from the railway at Fort George (the GTP) was not available. As the BC Express Company was willing to re-establish the river service, provided it was guaranteed against operating losses, an arrangement was eventually consummated whereby the Provincial Government paid an annual subsidy of $10,000.

In the footnotes for that portion, West said that a letter to the Board of Trade from JM Yorston MLA dated Feb 23rd 1918 made the arrangements. And in another footnote he says that evidence of the payment can be found for only two years, in the Public Accounts for the Fiscal Year ended 31st of March, 1919, Victoria, 1920, page C221. And the other can also be found in Public Accounts for the Fiscal Year ended 31st of March, 1920, Victoria, 1921, page B224.

I think if there was solid information on what the BX made each year, West would have put that information in his books. He was the General Manager of the BC Express Company from 1903 until 1921. Though he comments on the $7,000 loss for 1915, he doesn't get into other specifics other than commenting on that June where the BX made $15,000. It could be that some of this information is lost forever.

As for the criticism, there was rivalry, of course, among the BC Express Company boats and the privately owned ones and the railway's boats. They raced eachother, but they didn't seem to criticize each other, either you could make a go out of it in the business or you couldn't. The GTP and the BC Express had issues, with Millar trying to buy Prince George and the GTP lowering its bridges on the route from Fort George to Tete Jaune Cache, but none of that is a criticism of the BX, nor did it affect her route, but only the route of her sister ship, the BC Express (sternwheeler), where I get into that a bit more. So, no, I still can't think of any criticism. Maybe you should get him to clarify.

Certainly the local papers raved about her:

the BX arrived today and half the populace was at the Landing to meet her,

the BX brought in a shipment of beef today,

a dinner for Captain Browne and the crew of the BX was held last night

and so on ad infinutum.... .CindyBo^talk 19:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I found a good old article in the South Fort George Herald dated November 5th, 1910, that gives a hint of Fort George's feelings for the BX.

A complimentary dinner was tendered for the officers and crew of the BX by the residents of South Fort George and the adjoining townsites last Saturday evening at the newly completed Hotel Northern.The event took the nature of a Thanksgiving offering at the resusitation of this fine riverboat from her recent mishap which at the time looked as though a resumption for this year would be out of the question. Any other company but this admirable "clock of precision" would have forgone the two trips made after the accident and berthed the boat for the winter. But the BX Compny is a system with a system brought to perfection through fifty years of mastery on the longest and best stage line in existence. And furthermore the officers of this new boat has imbibed the principles of the land chain of the old organization by bringing up to South Fort George the largest tonnage ever carried on the Fraser above Soda Creek- 90 tons. This enterprise on the part of the transportation company led the philanthropic merchants to heroic deeds which resulting in grouping of the officers and crew in the dining room of our prohibition hotel, (the Northerm didn't have a liquor licence until that December) and in dry wit, dry song and still drier toasts, made plain their appreciation of their efforts at the termination of navigation. The representative of Honorable Adventurers spoke touchingly and feelingly of the hardships encountered by the bold navigators of the Fraser from the time of Simon Fraser to Captain Browne, but lamented the fact that a wave was creeping over the country that had for its ultimate object the dethroning of an admirable aid to social felicity.

• The two trips they're talking about the BX making are the two that Browne made before the Chilco (sternwheeler) was beached just north of Quesnel with Fort George's winter food supply. The BX actually went back to Quesnel for the winter, but when petitioned to make one more trip with food supplies, returned to Fort George in early December.CindyBo^talk 20:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

See comment from MouseNightshirt on my talk page --KenWalker | Talk 21:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

See comment from MouseNightshirt about source for infobox --KenWalker | Talk 15:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

More from MN on my talk patge--KenWalker | Talk 19:46, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey, check out Talk:BX (sternwheeler) if you haven't already! --KenWalker | Talk 00:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I just spotted that myself. I'm glad it passed. There's a bit more to the GA process than I thought. I saw on the BC Wikiproject that that's on your to-do list: to get some of the BC "B" articles to GA. I don't think I have anything else quite up to that standard yet, BC Express (sternwheeler), is the closest probably, but not really cited enough. I'm working on Barnard's Express this week, and (using what I've learned lately), I'll cite it properly and maybe we can get it there soon too.CindyBo^talk 00:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Cindy

As you no doubt have noted by now I'm temporarily back; not sure if you've got Chinaman on your watchlist but check out its talkpage; I wonder if Hong will accuse me of uncivility or whatever; we'll see, but let's just say I talked like a Cariboozer in responding to him just now. It's my culture - that's what multiculturalism is all about enit? ;-)Skookum1 04:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] Thanks for the image help

I'll keep resizing if needed in mind for the future, it was driving me nuts! --BrokenSphere 18:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moyie, British Columbia

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We need a new class of article for Moyie, British Columbia. Class=T. For terrific. Very well done and most interesting. Thanks for doing it.--KenWalker | Talk 05:16, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] T.J. Potter and Oregon Steamboat

Your page is wonderful. I'm working on some of the Oregon steamboats and steamboat lines. My little contributions so far are T.J. Potter, Wide West, and Shaver Transportation Company. I'm also trying to develop some templates for basic information on steamboats etc., but my technical skill is sadly insufficient. mtsmallwood —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtsmallwood (talk • contribs) 23:53, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Minto page?

Your Moyie page is great. I was thinking about putting something together for the Minto, which would perhaps be the beginning of an Arrow Lakes steamboat page. I can't find anything on Minto in Wikipedia outside of your Moyie page. Are you aware of an existing page? Mtsmallwood (talk) 23:33, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yo - Hudson's Bay Brigade Trail

Kinda far from your turf but just a heads-up on it, if you've anything maybe to add. There was a discussion on the Kamloops-Alexandria route in Robin Skelton's This is Cariboo and I think a map; I think it went via Deadman's Creek and Bridge Lake; would be good to get/have a map; also the Fraser Canyon route I think there's at least a heritage sign, part of the trail may actually be preserved, or located anyway; like the Lillooet Cattle Trail it was narrow and steep and switchbacked and a lot of animals died trying to pack over the route; a waste of money, much trumped in our histories, but largely pointless....any cats or fixes you could add pls do. NB Category:Historic trails and roads in Canada in case there's anything like an an Omimeca or Cassiar Trail....I guess Collins Overland Telegraph almost is required as that's where Telegraph Trail redirects to I think....Skookum1 (talk) 16:43, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

On a similar here's-some-more-work-for-you tangent, please see Talk:Alfred Waddington.Skookum1 (talk) 16:52, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

and re the Telegraph Trail, that's currently a redirect to an article on the John Wayne movie The Telegraph Trail. At some point we'll need to have an article, not sure where to start; kind of in your neck of the woods, no?Skookum1 (talk) 17:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

er, that's weird it was a redirect when I tried it last time; redlink now; or waitaminit no I found the movie from the search results, not a redirect.Skookum1 (talk) 17:01, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FYI re mining districts

Figure you might have something to say about this, or at least find the map useful...Skookum1 (talk) 04:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yo cindy

Hey...how's wedded bliss going? Just trying to remember - somewhere, to someone, this summer, I gave/loaned by old BC govt publication Water Powers......was it you? It has hydrologic flow rates for various rivers; looking for info on the Blaeberry, Spillimacheen, Canoe, Kicking Horse, Kinbasket, Bush, Wood, Goldstream etc tribs of the Columbia for Talk:Columbia River and its article page...haven't seen a lot of edits from you lately so expededct you're on honeymoon, or otherwise living in the real world....Skookum1 (talk) 13:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Guess you're still living in the real world ;-) Just thought you might to have a gander at {{Arrow Lakes Steamboats}} and note the "other routes" sections...is Steamboats of the Peace River worth it? Were there any on the Omineca or Finlay btw?Skookum1 (talk) 18:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vancouver Meetup Invite

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