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[edit] US Centric celebration?

Is it just me, or should this article not be 100% about US interpretation of the party?

If you center it on the Mexican side, then there would really be no Cinco de Mayo as a holiday. Lord Hawk 20:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why Cinco de Mayo?

Out of all the holidays Mexico celebrates, why did Mexican-Americans choose Cinco de Mayo to be their holiday in the US? There are many holidays Mexicans from Mexico regard more important. 205.174.22.28 01:20, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Becaue it easier to say "Cinco de Mayo Sale" than "Dieciseis de Septiembre Sale" or "Veinticuatro de Febrero Sale" 189.157.152.137 17:10, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Just for the record, it is really the Americans that celebrate Cinco de Mayo. Lord Hawk 20:26, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not so much a Mexican celebration

Just to clarify some ideas that people might have about this date, in Mexico this celebration is not as important as they make it seem in the United States. It is of more importance to people of Mexican heritage living in the United States than to Mexicans living in Mexico.

The most important date to a Mexican in the patriotic sense is the 16th of September. Few occasions make a Mexican feel more patriotic than this, others being when the Mexican Soccer Team wins a game in a World Cup :D.

This is a very good point and should probably be in the article itself. You'll find parties on cinco de mayo are more concentrated in tourist towns than any other in Mexico. - 67.172.124.99 14:21, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Indeed, the Spanish page suggests that it's barely celebrated at all except in Puebla itself. seglea 20:35, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] May 5th Impact at Mexico

Actually I disagree, it is of great relevance to me as a Mexican and my family and friends do celebrate it. At any rate both your point of view and mine are more personal level comments so I feel there's no need to include any such "importance in Mexico" in the article. After all, not only Americans and Mexicans cherish it, but also people from Guatemala, Peru etc. Oleksandr 05:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Any Mexican people I know are baffled about the US celebrations for Cinco de Mayo. They tell me they never celebrated it. Independence Day in September is their largest national holiday.

I sure as hell wish I knew who I was talking to! But to respond to the above, I have asked Mexican friends of mine at church about 16 of September, and all they could do was shrug. Not every Mexican national is up to speed on their historical events and find some other things more important to celebrate. The last sentence in this article that was added is relatively bogus and unnecessary. Some Mexicans just aren't up to these historical celebrations. They celebrate family stuff. Baptisms, communions, quinceañeras, etc. Those are the biggees! But my mom's Uncle Ramon, from Guaymas, used to celebrate Cinco de Mayo every year here in Los Angeles during the 20's. Magi Media 02:51, 11 June 2006 (UTC)Magi Media.
Oops, I forgot to put my signature there before (now I have). "Any Mexican people I..." is not mine. I agree that not every Mexican national is up to speed on their historical events, just like many americans do about theirs, and arguing that "Quince años" are a "biggie" in comparison to 5 de Mayo... speaks for itself, I won't even go into that. Fact is, we're arguing the spectrum and depth of its celebration in Mexico, a very opinionated subject by itself, I only want it to be known that it is celebrated. I'll try to take some pictures of the fireworks and fairgrounds next May 5th. Oleksandr 05:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm from Monterrey, México and there are absolutely no celebrations here for 5 de Mayo, perhaps at elementary schools they will put up commemorative posters and crafts done by the kids but thats pretty much it. I don't think anyone could care less about 5 de Mayo, certainly not as much, by far, as Sept 16th. 189.157.152.137 17:15, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

As a second generation Mexican American, I do not celebrate Cinco de Mayo because it is really just an American holiday. Lord Hawk 20:35, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

The true story is confusing. I see some sites saying it's celebrated in the U.S., not in Mexico, while others say it's widely celebrated in Puebla and Mexico City. One says it was first observed in 1967, by students trying to establish a Chicano Studies program within the CSU system, choosing La Batalla de Puebla as a symbolic event. Another suggests the Mexican defeat of the French forces kept Napolean from supplying the Confederate army, thus allowing the north to prevail the following year. A radio reporter in San Francisco said that indeed Cinco de Mayo is a Mexican-American holiday, widely celebrated in the U.S. but not in Mexico (and further suggested it should become a federally recognized holiday). --FeralDruid 07:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I could be wrong but...

Aren't Spanish months lower cased? It should be Cinco de mayo.
Blindman shady 07:00, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I believe you are correct, but this holiday is really celebrated to its extent in the United States and the Americans choose to do things their way. Lord Hawk 13:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

As a holiday title Cinco de Mayo is best capitalized--Magi Media 04:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removing citations

To whoever just removed a number of citations - please follow standard Wikipedia practice:

  • (1) if you're going to suggest an important substative change, bring that change to the Talk page first
  • (2) if you're going to suggest an important substantive change, make sure you have reliable citations for the change you are proposing (your own opinion is not sufficient)
  • (3) Don't just remove citations because you don't understand the facts or agree with the facts supported by the citation.

EspanaViva 00:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Here are some additional citations for the proposition that Cinco de Mayo is a regional and not a federal holiday in Mexico:

EspanaViva 08:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fifth of May

Wouldn't "Cinco de Mayo" mean "May Five" instead of "Fifth of May"? The "Fifth of May" would be "Quinto de Mayo" (as an ordinal). "Cinco" is cardinal, so it would be "five" (literally Five of May, or May Five). THEemu (talk) 22:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, in Spanish you generally say the date in the cardinal "cinco de mayo," while the standard translation would be to the equivalent English phrase "fifth of may" (the date in English could also be written as "May 5," but not "May Five"). Hence, the standard practice is not to translate to the literal English phrase ("May Five"), but to the equivalent phrase in English ("Fifth of May"). EspanaViva 01:18, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] President Bush?

You've gotta be kidding me. Given his 28% approval rating and monumental incompetence, can we maybe find another picture to put up? He's a little bit of a distraction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.178.132.146 (talk) 22:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)