Talk:Cincinnati chili

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[edit] New Image

I added the image of the 4-way from Skyline Chili. This article could benefit from a better photo, however (perhaps one that shows the contents of the dish more). I wish I had used the camera's flash. --TheDapperDan 08:31, 25 January 2006

[edit] Redundancy of this article with contents of Chili con carne article

I started this Cincinnati chili article ignorant of the fact that it repeated most of the information already contained in the Cincinnati-style chili section of the Chili con carne article. Should whatever unique contents that are in this article be incorporated into the section at Chili con carne and this article deleted, or should the section on Cincinnati-style chili in that article be given its own separate article here, with wiki links from the main Chili con carne article?

I will search for whatever standards for this situation already exist at Wikipedia before I do anything. In the meantime, suggestions are welcome. (unsigned by Rohirok, posted January of 2005)

This should be seperate as it is a very different implementation as it uses more savory than hot spices. --Rakista 03:17, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Rakista. Actually, the issue has been resolved, though I failed to note it on this page. The Cincinnati chili section of the chili con carne article has been merged with the contents of this page. Rohirok 01:22, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Recipe

The recipe would probably be more appropriate at the Wikimedia Cookbook. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs, blog) 18:53, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If it's allowed, can someone add the recipe in the 1970's Joy of Cooking, which more closely resembles what is served in the restaurants. 128.42.159.11 23:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

The is no recipe for Cincinnati chili in that book, just a recipe for chili con carne. I found a good recipe in "The Best Soups and Stews" but am unqualified to comment on its authenticity. OliAtlason (talk) 20:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I used to use the recipe in Jeff Smith's The Fugal Gourmet Cooks American (1987) until I found I could buy cans of Skyline chili online. OwenSaunders (talk) 01:27, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Eggs and cole slaw on Cincy chili?!

Where on earth is Cincy chili served with cole slaw and a fried egg? (unsigned)

Good question. I've wondered that myself. I'm sure such abominations are served on chili places elsewhere, but never have I seen offered or served that way at Cincinnati chili places. I'll go ahead and delete that. Rohirok 15:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How can people call this chili?

Chili has beans. Chili has chunks of beef. Chili has visible tomatos, not just sauce. Chili does not have cinnamon or chocolate.Cheezymadman 10:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Anybody can call it whatever they want. I call it "delicious", "scrumptious", "yummy", "food for the gods", etc. Casey Abell 17:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
There are alot of places where one would be shot for putting beans in chili, too. youngamerican (ahoy-hoy) 19:09, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unencyclopedic

I added the "unencyclopedic" template to the section entitled "The dining experience". I intend to it to apply to this section only (however, the template does not allow for "section" to appear instead of "article"). Patrons seating themselves, waitresses taking orders, bringing the check to the table, getting refills on soft-drinks, and paying at the register are not notable enough to be included here. Also, it is customary to leave a tip at just about any sit-down restaurant in the United States. It is also POV to say that beer goes well with this chili. If anyone wants to try to salvage the original meaning about what was intended to be said in the first paragraph, have at it. Otherwise, I'll probably delete all but the first sentence (of that paragraph) and rename the section. Thanks. Ufwuct 18:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't see a need to eliminate all but the first sentence. Many of the comments apply specifically to Cincinnati chili parlors, so I'll trim the paragraph down to those comments. Casey Abell 18:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Done. Thought about changing the section title, but really couldn't come up with anything better. Casey Abell 19:06, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beer and chili

I may not be a Nobel-winner, but I'm smart enough not to get into an edit war over beer and chili. Still, the comment that beer and Cincinnati chili make an "excellent pairing" is exactly the kind of subjective POV opinion that should get pruned from an encyclopedia article. At most, the article could say that some people like Cincinnati chili with beer, though even that might be unnecessary trivia. I like Cincinnati chili with Pepsi, but I'm not going to dump that into the article.

Also, it's sufficient to say that alcohol isn't served at most chili parlors because it might become a nuisance for some customers late at night. The comment about people stopping at chili parlors after visiting bars is unnecessary stuffing. People stop at the parlors after going to all sorts of places. Are we going to say: "People have been known to eat at Cincinnati chili parlors after visiting grocery stores, clothes shops, booksellers, veterinarians, churches, political meetings, football stadiums, amusement parks, barber shops..."

But somebody else will have to fight this battle. Casey Abell 14:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Four way beans or onions

This source Cincinnati Chili says "To test a restaurant for authenticity, ask for a Four-Way. If the server asks you whether you want beans or onions, you know this is fake Cincinnati chili, since Four-Way always comes with onions." --Gbleem 12:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Heh. That is just an opionion. Mind you, it is an opinion that I fully agree with, but just an opinion none the less. It is just like how I have refrained from adding the phrase "God's perfect food" to this article. :) youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 13:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cheddar Cheese

This article said that Cincinnati chili comes with mild cheddar cheese. I corrected this. It is always shapr cheddar.

I'm pretty sure that Skyline uses mild. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 13:14, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Youngamerican is correct; in fact, if you examine the recipes posted on the official site, they specifically call for "Skyline shredded mild cheddar cheese" - BGilkison 03:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Verified that Gold Star's recipes also call for mild cheddar, but Dixie Chili's recipes don't say either way. - BGilkison 04:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Empress chili

Correction: The name of the burlesque theater in Cincinnati was the Gaiety, not the Empress. The Karajieff's chili parlor was called the Empress. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.78.183.109 (talk) 15:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] The first paragraph and "Tri-State"

The first paragraph is in need of a rewrite:

  • There is no need to repeat "Cincinnati" in each sentence... and that has nothing to do with the chili!
  • The term "Tri-State area" should be replaced by something much more specific as there are similarly-named regions in the United States, with the Greater New York City area (New York-Connecticut-New Jersey) and the region centered about Huntington, West Virginia (West Virginia-Ohio-Kentucky).

In addition, all the various details mentioned in the article need to have their references cited (most of them have nothing to do with the three external links at the bottom).

Cheers! 147.70.242.40 22:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

An editor hung the unreferenced tag on the article, even though the links to particular restaurants, especially their history sections, already offered a ton of information about Cincinnati chili. Anyway, I scattered four footnotes to other sources throughout the text in a somewhat but not entirely random manner. The best all-round source is the Cliff Lowe article, which I hung on the lede. I attached the Cincinnati.com archive, which is a terrific collection of articles, to the origins and history section, but it could have gone anywhere. I admit the archive only gives introductions for free, but even these contain a bunch of interesting factoids. Who knew that Ashlee Simpson was a fan? Or that Big & Rich sang about the concoction? Or that Cincinnati chili won a James Beard award? For those willing to open up their wallets, the two most valuable articles, in my opinion, are "Gold Star Turns 40" and "Making quality all-ways" about the two major chains, Gold Star and Skyline. Oh, you might also like "It's the original Skyline's time" about the closure of the Price Hill restaurant mentioned in the article.

The other two references are more specialized. The Schnabel article appears mainly for its recipe, though it also has some history and an explanation of the "ways". The Fodor's article is frankly in there for the Fodor name, though it also gives some details about the dining experience. The sources cover pretty much everything in the article and...beyond. Hm, maybe I'll sneak Ashlee into the article somewhere (JUST KIDDING). Casey Abell 04:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chili Parlors

I'm surprised that there is no mention of the term "chili parlor," which seems to be unique to Cincinnati. OwenSaunders 02:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)OwenSaunders

The term sneaks into the article once. Casey Abell 13:15, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment of article for WikiProject Food and Drink

Hi,

Just wanted it to be known that I have assessed this article with a "B" rating for the WikiProject Food and Drink- It is well written and conveys it point, however it needs more citations. As a highly regional US cuisine that has little impact on American or global cuisine overall, I assessed it has having a "Mid" level of importance.

I also tagged it as being associated with the Cincinnati WikiProject, but did not assign it any ratings as I do not feel qualified to rate that project's articles.

Keep up the good work, Jeremy (Jerem43 20:35, 1 October 2007 (UTC))