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[edit] Adding some stuff

Should we add something on some the Bengals players' legal troubles? Also, I added the famous (at least to Pittsburgh fans) nickname "Bungles" to the rivalry portion Akshayaj 15:54, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why not. It's kind've news here still. Usually the Bengals are considered "cleancut" & boring. --Duemellon 13:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I added the legal stuff Akshayaj 15:54, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I removed the 2006 legal stuff portions. It doesn't add anything of significance about the Bengals. If you do it for them (or rather, to them), then you need to go through every other team and scour their police blotters. [[User:Jim Jackson]Jim Jackson]

It's been pretty big news event for most NFL media nation-wide, and the number of players arrested in one offseason is unprecedented. Whether fans like it or not, this has become a significant issue for this offseason. With that, I'd like to put the legal stuff back in, maybe slightly condensed. To prevent a edit war with Jim Jackson, I'd like to get some other opinions on this matter. Akshayaj 16:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

P.S: Here's the removed section. I could also add the Bengals player who just recently was tasered by a police officer for a parking violation

[edit] 2006 offseason legal troubles

- In the 2006 offseason, sports media wrote extensively on the legal woes and character problems of some of the Bengals players. The following is a list: [1]

- Chris Henry: marijuana charges, charged with pulling a gun on a group in Orlando, speeding and drunken driving, charged with providing alcohol to minors

- Odell Thurman: suspended for the first four games of the 2006-2007 regular season due to a drug-test related suspension

- Frostee Tucker: charged with two counts of spousal abuse and vandalism

- AJ Nicholson: charged with burglary; previously arrested twice on suspicion of alcohol-related offenses

- Ahmad Brooks: drafted despite his being kicked off of the Virginia college team due to marijuana incidents and other problems

- Matthias Askew: subdued by a taser after refusing to move his illegally parked car

[edit] Fans and Protests

I've added a little information about the protests against the owner from around the turn of the millennium. Hope this is ok its all factual I'm trying to source an image of the protest banner at the moment. I'm trying to be objective and feel this information should be available as it is part of the history of the Bengals. --Starkravingsane 22:30, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

It's unsourced and seems to have a bias to it. The websites are also very borderline notable and in many cases could be considered spam/advertising (for the sites). It really needs a cleanup before it can be put in the article, especially since it's (albeit very borderline) libelous against Brown. Pats1 03:01, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Big Revision

it needed more, so I added... more. Whadyathink? What did I do wrong? any additions? I wanted to add a section about current records being held by Bengals, ie: Corey Dillon's record performances, the 104 interception return, the % completion ratio by Anderson, & other stats. I just haven't (am not) taken the time to hunt for the stats.

--Duemellon 14:47, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for fleshing out the article, Duemellon. You seem to love the Bengals as much as I do.  :)

Hopefully we'll need that extra information for all the admirers' WikiPedia hits in the coming season.

[edit] Wha? huH? (anti-clutter edit)

The original article posted here seems like an exact transplant of the information from

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Cincinnati-Bengals

Unfortunately it includes some names in the "Not to be forgotten" list that I've never heard of. If they can't be justified then they were forgotten,... and perhaps should be?

Those I've never heard of are: Sherrill Headrick; Bobby Hunt; John Stofa; Ernie Wright

Have you guys heard of them? What is their signifigance? If nothing comes up that's worthy of note then I'll ditch'em by the end of this week. --Duemellon 18:20, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Uhm, could someone plz add a quick sentence to their names so they'r relevence shows. I don't really know what to say about them. I removed them once, but someone restored them. I know who they were, but I think they're as important as Krumrie, Montoya, Pickens, or Breeden. --Duemellon 13:48, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Okay, filled out a bit more of the "not to be forgotten" bit. I think we can safely say the "bad years" are behind us & call it a dark portion of Bengals' history. My challenge still stands as no one has helped explain the relevence Sherrill Headrick, Bobby Hunt, John Stofa, or Ernie Wright has to the game (anymore so than David Fulcher, Harold Green, or Stacy Adams). Please, someone, elucidate or I'll consider them clutter. Please. --Duemellon 22:42, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Why the removal of the "not to be forgotten" sections? That huge list is quite cumbersome & poorly patched together otherwise. How would you like to have it divvied up? And, why remove Jim Breech? He doesn't hold many records, but he was one of the 1st well liked & easily identifiable personalities in Bengaldom. Heck, he's still around. --Duemellon 11:53, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] MNF!!!

Shoutouts to Liftarn for the MNF update WHODEY!WHODEY!!! --Duemellon 13:21, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] The "2003-2004" season blurb

Is written horribly. Someone look it over & make it purty... plz? --Duemellon 14:35, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I've tried to purtify it. Maybe I've succeeded. Maybe not. You be the judge (and fix it up further). Aerion//talk 16:52, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Ah... it makes sense. GJ dude(ette if applicable) --Duemellon 18:55, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] West Coast/Paul Brown offense

someone added the one-sentence about "and Paul Brown & Bill Walsh created the west coast offense" at the bottom of the page. Rewrote it as a statement about the "NFL contributions". --Duemellon 14:41, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Improvement drive

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[edit] I just remembered...

Hearing about a pro-Cincy football team from the 20's called the Bengals as well. Got any confirmation on this? --Duemellon 14:44, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Who Dey?/Who Dat?

Having not heard the "Who Dey" chant, I don't know how similar it is to the "Who Dat?" chant used by the Saints--in New Orleans, we definitely say "Dat" and not "Dey." Also, in New Orleans the chant goes "Who dat say dey gonna beat dem Saints? Who dat? Who Dat?" etc.; musically speaking, a new phrase starts with "who dat say..." rather than the "Who dat? Who Dat?" I don't know if the way it's listed on this page is just another way of saying the same thing. Do y'all say "Who dey think gonna beat dem Bengals?" or "Who dey think dey gonna beat them Bengals?" As printed in its current form I wonder if the rhythm of the two is totally different, making it possible that they developed separately.

I can say for certainty that in New Orleans it is always "Who Dat?", never "Who Dey?", so GeorgeC is correct in his assertion that Saints fans did not use "Who Dey." However, this doesn't mean that New Orleanians didn't invent the chant itself. I'd appreciate whatever light y'all could shed on this matter.

I've heard them both & they are very similar. It is clear they are related. Chronologically speaking & considering the popularity of the Saints' chant, it seems very reasonable (as much evidence points to it) that the Bengals' chant is a derivitive of Saints'. The variation introduced being slight. The association with the beer, Hudephol (if I remember) was more coincidental than intentional & Hudephol took advantage of that as much as they could. --Duemellon 02:17, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

who dey is no derivitive of who dat, you can find the history of the chant in a select enquirer article and on bengalsjungle.com. hudephol simply capitalized on the chant. who dey can be traced back a few years before who dat.

[edit] Bengal ?

Just surfing by, this article is curious: there must be some unusual reason for the name of this American football team - but it is not apparent what the reason is. Is it that there was a Bengal tiger in Cincinatti which the founder liked ? Or was the original team founded by Indians from Bengal ? Or did the original founder of the team like Bengali food ? Curious. The article definitely needs expanding in this respect. --jrleighton 02:12, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

You're quite right. From what I understand, the name comes from a much earlier team in the 1920s or 30s, I'll have to look that up, the Cincinnati Zoo was known for its Bengal tigers during that period. I'll try to do some research. User:Zoe|(talk) 02:14, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I don't need to. It says right in the article, Paul Brown was granted a franchise in the American Football League. He named the team the Bengals in order "to give it a link with past professional football in Cincinnati." [2] Another Bengals team existed in the city from 1937 to 1941, and played in various incarnations of older American Football Leagues.. User:Zoe|(talk) 02:20, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Games of NOTE

Wow. THat's a lot. I guess we need to develop subcategories for the games of note or decide on a stricter criteria. Me? I vote for subcategorizing them either by chronological headings, or by impact (ie: record breaking performance, postseason game, really-bad thing, milestones, etc.) What do ya'll think would be appropriate headings or criteria? In the interim I see some opportunities to combine different "games of note" to be more effecient but still effective. Adding one heading already! --Duemellon 12:17, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay, these are the headings I propose:

  • Milestones (1st playoff game, 1st superbowl appearance, etc.)
  • Record setting performances (only the current records for our team or NFL even if the opposing team is the one that got into the stats)
  • Inagural Season
  • Memorable Performances (non-record setting individual & team performances, ie: KC game of 2003)

Do we need to note every shutout? I know they're pretty few, but once Marvin gets this team going like is should be then the shutout games are gonna have to be their own Wiki Article!!! --Duemellon 12:56, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I think the games of note section is just fine. It's chronological and tells a full story. I've read the pages of a few other teams, and they are even more detailed. They also read like a fan wrote them. By contrast, this one is more organized and more fact oriented.

(please sign your posts, if you don't know how, we'll let you know). It's just a burgeoning mound of words labelled chronologically right now. It'd be better with different headings... easier to navigate for the researcher, if we headed the games (b/c there'd be an entry in the contents link up top). Even if the headings were chronological, it'd still help the reader. --Duemellon 14:25, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I do see your point. I added headings.

Those are some excellent headings. A bit of a blurb about the decade. That's great. <3 u!!! ... in a completely platonic & healthy way. Someone had a great revision on the Boomber Esiason "player of note" thing. They said the play was a 79 yarder & other details. The only thing I did to that was put in that it was a "play action pass" b/c Boomer was infamous for how well he convinced the defense. Now it is reverted to what I had written previously. Whoever had that much better explanation, would they redo it? It was good. --Duemellon 13:12, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Split up Boomer's blurb between the 2 places is shows to be more appropriate for the specific heading it's at. --Duemellon 12:51, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reserved Numbers

7 Boomer Esiason's. I was hesitant to put his there because Klingler wore it. However, Boomer DID return to the Bengals AFTER Klingler & it hasn't been used since. I talked with Andy Ware, the point-man on Bengal's email from Bengals.com, & he said the only jerseys he's aware of that are unofficially not worn in regular season are 13, 14, & 78. He didn't mention 7. Although that seems to be the case. Should we leave it there until 7 shows up again? --Duemellon 15:03, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Wasn't Dan Pope a punter? Did he ever take the field in regular season? Ppl wear 78 all the time in preseason for the Bengals, but haven't seen them. 69... yah, didn't notice that one either. Is that more coincidental or intentional? I mean, for that much, who's had 33 since Fulcher? --Duemellon 13:44, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

The "reserved numbers" section is more accurate with the notes about who has worn the jerseys after player who played has worn them. It shows it's not official & it will help those ppl who look at it & know "so-n-so" had it. I'm readding. If you disagree please discuss. --Duemellon 14:02, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] In Marvin We Trust

  • sigh*, I was tempted to vandalize this whole article by deleting everything & just put: 9-3 In Marvin We Trust. But my childish impulses were tamed & I will just put it here. --Duemellon 13:27, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I almost wanted to do something similar, but decided that adding the game in memorable games was enough to make me happy. --155.45.81.25 18:28, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Now I'm wondering what the vandal at 198.234.216.248 did!?!?! --Duemellon 14:42, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

If you are a Bengals fan, you might agree with 198.234.216.248's statement [3] but it is still technically vandalism within the context of this article :-) Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:30, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reformatting, reorganizing

Promoted the subtopic titles to headings. Corrected some context & formatting. --Duemellon 13:41, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Promoted main headings as they were all currently subtitles under "franchise history" except for external links. Did the same for this Talk section (as they were all subs of MNF). Also moved the SeasonXSeason matrix to after the SeasonXSeason text so it remained in franchise history. Not sure if "COntributions" should remain seperate from history 'tho. --Duemellon 15:53, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

  • agreed, but hesitant. Wouldn't the other article be just as big? --Duemellon 17:23, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] AFC WildCard R1

Someone removed it so I reverted. My first Wiki-revert! YAY! What a great place this is. --Duemellon 13:29, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Congrats lol =D Caleb09 00:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1990s

I read somewhere that the Bengals performance in the '90s was the worst for a team in a decade in NFL history. Can someone please research this and if it is true, post it in this article. -Amit

mentioned in Early 2000s notes. If you feel it merits greater note, we can do that. --Duemellon 13:21, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Simultaneous Injury to Carson Palmer and Chris Henry

The article claims that the knee injuries to CP and CH happened on the same play. Another article said that many news outlets "misreported" it as happening that way, but in reality they were injured on separate plays. Does anyone know which is accurate? Jdiegmueller 00:39, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

The injury CH sustained was on the same play when Carson was injured. CH remained in the game for one or two plays after but either caused more damage OR finally felt the damage from the original play. So, he sustained the injury 1-3 plays before he was hindered/affected by it. --Duemellon 02:37, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1976 finale vs. Jets

The game recap states that it was the final game of Joe Namath's career. Although it was his final game as a Jet, Namath did play one more season with the L.A. Rams.--Toddpence 04:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Bengals Stormtrooper (hes awesome and you know it!)

Someone needs to add a picture of the Bengals stormtrooper to this article lol...he rules Caleb09 00:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

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==Team History=- I have been a Browns fan since the 1960s and never heard the story about Paul Brown owning the Browns' team equipment even after being fired. Does anyone have a cite for that? Hanksummers (talk) 22:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC).hanksummers