Talk:Ciaphas Cain

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[edit] Merge?

well im in favour of it, i cannot see why she would merit a page of her own Lowris 15:32, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I am against it, as it would clutter up this page. I would recommend creating a Ciaphas Cain (Series) article or similar and moving all lesser characters there, possibly including Ciaphas. --Falcorian (talk) 15:52, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

On second look, her article could be cut down alot more than it appeared, and should fit in the Associates section. --Falcorian (talk) 15:55, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Excuse an ignorant newbie (to this article, at least) but who's page was merged? -- JediLofty User | Talk 10:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

The Criticism section reads, to my mind, like one reader who didn't much care for the book(s). I would think that unless the view expressed is particularly widespread (which, from my experience, I don't think it is), this section should be removed, as the comments on writing style are already found elsewhere in the article. --Darth Fanboy 20:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Yep. Clearly original research. Toss it. Cheers --Pak21 09:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

With a lack of any further response on this, I'm removing the section.--Darth Fanboy 00:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] edit

There is a fourth short story, Echoes of the Tomb, which appeared in an early issue of Warhammer Monthly. It was reprinted in the Hero of the Imperium omnibus along with Fight or Flight and The Beguiling.

I'll let somebody with more experience edit that in with the appropriate footnotes. Lucion 07:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flashman

Intersting, but last I checked the only indications we accept here are ones that are verifiable facts, not original research. As far as I can tell, the references (10 and 11) for this relation are the Flashman novels and books of Fraser and I doubt Fraser said in a novel that Cain is based off of Flashman, and even if he did hes not the creator of Cain so his opinion on the subject doesn't matter. Unless 9, Ciaphas Cain, Hero of the Imperium, makes mention to Flashman having some relation to Cain, that is gonna get removed and stay removed. If it does, you who have read it might want to add in somewhere that Shandy said in it that there is a relation.

I've added a short bit about the link (you're right, the old bit was full of OR), and cited it. The author mentions the link in the introduction to Hero of the Imperium. JustIgnoreMe (talk) 19:32, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Unlike Cain's own writing, Sulla's writings are lacking in any literary talent"

In whose opinion?

I've read one of the Ciaphas Cain novels (the one with the Orks and Necrons), and I think one of the other characters (probably Inquisitor Vail) may have described her writings as such. But that seemed to me as just a non-NPOV opinion expressed by the character in question.

If I remember correctly, Sulla's writing was quite "flowery", slightly archaic, and "epic"; full of passages about "our courageous troops winning a glorious victory over the xenos hordes" etc. Whether that sort of prose counts as "lacking in any literary talent" is really down to the personal likes/dislikes of the reader. Wardog (talk) 18:54, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Amberley Vail frequently makes reference to Sulla's writings lacking literary talent throughout all the books (except for the one where the Valhallan's don't appear, obviously!) -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 09:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't disagree, but... they are both written by the same person. It takes significant literary ability to write badly, properly (anyone who's seen Les Dawson play the piano knows what I'm talking about). I think it might be better if the section was re-written in a non "in-universe" style. JustIgnoreMe (talk) 14:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)