User talk:Chunk Champion

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[edit] Flavor Graveyard

To alleviate future issues with this title, perhaps you could add something to the article citing it from the webpage and also noting the graveyards at the factories. Seeing as it is an article you've been heavily working on, I figured you would be better at adding that to the page over myself. I like the article by-the-way, very informative. I used to live in Stowe which is quite near one of their factories, great place.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 17:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiquette alert

I'm informing you that I've made a post on the Wikiquette alert page about our repeated discussions over at Ben & Jerry's flavors. You may view the post here. — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 14:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Chunk Champion. I've responded to User:HelloAnnyong's Wikiquette concern with regards to your reversion of his section retitling. As you're aware, the third opinion agreed with Hello Annyong that "Discontinued flavors" was a more appropriate title than "Flavor graveyard". As it happens, I agree with both of them.

Three editors does not necessarily a consensus make, but I feel quite confident that if HelloAnnyong chooses to involve more editors, for example via a WP:RFC, "Discontinued flavors" will prevail as a section heading. In light of that, I'd encourage you to accept the change now. If you decline to do so, as is certainly your right, I'd like to hear confirmation from you that, if additional users' comments result in a clear consensus for "Discontinued flavors", you will accept it as a title in accordance with WP:CONSENSUS. Sarcasticidealist 19:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

This is the email I just sent to Ben & Jerry's.

I know this may seem like a strange question, but I need to settle a dispute. In your professional opinion, under which heading would you categorize old flavors which the company no longer makes.

A)Discontinued

B)Flavor Graveyard

C)Dearly Departed

D)Other

Thank you very much for your help in this matter.

Hello - I'm afraid that you may be missing the point. Ben & Jerry's is not the authoritative source as to what category headings should be in Wikipedia articles about it and its products. Ben & Jerry's may respond in any way it likes, but the decision as to what the section will be called is still one to be made by a consensus of Wikipedia articles. Right now, the consensus (to the extent that it exists) is clearly pointing to "Discontinued flavors". One reason, I would think, is that this title is more descriptive and less promotional-sounding.

In any event, my initial question remains: if an RFC or similar mechanism leads to a clear consensus in favour of "Discontinued flavors", will you cease edit-warring on the question? Sarcasticidealist 19:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

It appears that I recieved an answer already from the same employee that answered the last question I asked the company. This is the response:

Response (Lisa) - 09/07/2007 12:48 PM Can we choose E) All of the Above? We don't think there's actually a right or wrong answer here, so let's see if we can explain how we think of each term with A, B, and C.

A. Discontinued: When someone asks us about a flavor we no longer make, we tell them we're sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but that flavor has been discontinued, meaning we no longer produce that flavor. B. Flavor Graveyard: The location where our discontinued flavors rest in peace with the hope of someday being resurrected. C. Dearly Departed: Another way of saying discontinued. When you visit our Flavor Graveyard, we refer to our discontinued flavors as "Dearly Departed".

SO, take from that what you will...we would choose A or C in our opinion since those refer directly to the flavors/products. Discontinued is more the technical term, but Dearly Departed just sounds a bit softer don't you think? We use them both.

We probably weren't much help there, but hopefully our rambling helps you make a decision.

Thanks for writing and inquiring!

Ben & Jerry's

So it appears that at least Lisa thinks Discontinued is more technical. But keep in mind, she couldnt tell me the difference between Chocolate Cointreau Fudge and Chocolate Cointreau Orange...so i'll accept "Discontinued" as being half right. And instead settle for the term "Retired". Im glad we all had this talk. :) --Chunk Champion 02:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, ChunkChampion.. I saw you deleted my inclusion about Triple Caramel Chunk having limited shelf ability, but it's true. I found a pint of it at a local Walgreen's (?) of all places and I even have the top (I collect flavor tops). It was quite surprising to me, as well. - MK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.166.86.149 (talk) 21:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

You are correct, I recieved confirmation that this is true. --Chunk Champion (talk) 18:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sourcing

I'm curious: when you move stuff around on the Ben & Jerry's pages, what are your sources? Do you get mail from the company or call them? Are there press releases? — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 20:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes if I suspect something has changed but I am unsure I email them and they get back to me.--Chunk Champion 20:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

It's purely on intuition? — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 20:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Im a collector, I pay attention to what gets released. --Chunk Champion 20:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, okay. Side comment: I just saw you add "never" as a year for Chips 'n' Dip. If it was never released, why is it listed at all? — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 20:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Because it was still a flavor that was made, it just wasnt released in pint form. gtg --Chunk Champion 20:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

See the Retired talk page about this issue. — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 20:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)