Talk:Church porch

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Could it be that the author of this article "created" the term "Weaponhouse"? Never heard of such a thing. But there is an "armarium" in every monastery. This latin term could be translated as "weaponhouse" (arma = weapon); in fact it denotes the abbey's library, which was in an armed room, i.e. a room with very thick stone-walls, to protect the precious books from fire.

And did the author of the article also insert it into into the reference? Mr.Z-man 20:40, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't know how common "weaponhouse" is in English but it's the literal translation of a common word in all the languages in the interwiki links:
da:Våbenhus
de:Waffenhaus
no:Våpenhus
nn:Våpenhus
sv:Vapenhus
PrimeHunter 23:01, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Looks like the article was set up by a Norwegian - User:Arve Holmeide. It is basically a mistranslation of the Scandinavian and German term for an entry at the side of the church - the correct translation is porch - see Cathedral diagram#Transept. So my opinion is that the content of this article should be incorporated into porch (or moved to a separate porch (church) article) and this one be left as a redirect. Sakkura 04:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

It could also be moved to church porch which has many Google hits [1] (and a redlink in Täby kyrka). PrimeHunter 10:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh, even better. I think they are of particular interest when it comes to Scandinavian churches - most churches were built in the 1100s, right after the viking age, and the side entrance was used for people to leave any weapons they might be carrying. So the porch was typically expanded into an fairly large room (compared to the overall church size, which was often small). Sakkura 10:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

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The result of the proposal was move from "Weaponhouse" to Church porch, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 05:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

As per discussion above, I'm requesting the article be moved. Sakkura 17:58, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Church porch is an awfully ambiguous term -- isn't there any other term that this could be moved to? Something like weapon check room (analagous to a coat check room.) Ewlyahoocom 02:34, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
"Church porch" would be okay - I don't quite see why a literal translation is bad though - but "weapon check room" seems like original research. Mr.Z-man 03:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
"Gun check room" gets slightly more Google hits, but I am assuming that this article is about all types of weapons, no? Ewlyahoocom 03:13, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Well the church porch isn't exclusively used for storing weapons you know :D
AFAIK some rituals can be performed there, and it usually just served as a side entrance. Some churches, especially in Scandinavia it seems, then chose to expand that entrance with a room for storing coats, bags, or any weapons people might be carrying. So I think the church porch name is best; then it can describe typical church porches as well as go into detail on the expanded Scandinavian church porches. Sakkura 14:11, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I support church porch. The article can then mention different uses. The "weaponhouses" in Scandinavian churches are no longer used for weapons. PrimeHunter 15:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I guess I'm confused! Is this article going to be about rooms where weapons are checked, regardless of the rooms being attached to churches? Or will it be about a particular kind of room attached to churches, regardless of whether weapons are checked there? Cause right now it reads like it will be exclusive to rooms which are both attached to churches AND where weapons are stored. Ewlyahoocom 17:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

It should, in my opinion, be about all kinds of side entrances to churches; a subsection can detail the Scandinavian ones, where weapons were (sometimes) deposited, a practice that has since stopped. A house/room used for weapons storage (regardless of whether there is a church attached) would be something like an armory or a magazine. Sakkura 17:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
In that case, I fully support a move to Church porch. Ewlyahoocom 17:18, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.