Talk:Church of the Nativity

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Did the "armed Arab militants" actually take over the church, or were they just seeking sanctuary?

Were civilians free to come and go? Or:

• Did the armed militants prevent civilians from leaving?
• Did the Israeli soldiers prevent civilians from leaving?

What is the definition of a siege?

Ed Poor

Well, there's a definition at the siege article. I think the Israelis were trying to win by attrition. On a separate note, it wouldn't hurt to document how the standoff ended and the condition of the church following. There should also be more on the church's early history. Wesley

Yes, more than half of the article should be about the church and its history, rather than the takeover and standoff. And since you probably know more about the building than I do (hint, hint)... --Ed Poor

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Is this article's neutrality still disputed, or can the disclaimer be deleted? Tokerboy 22:39 Oct 17, 2002 (UTC)

"The church became famous briefly as the third millennium began" can someone find a better sentence ? It was already famous !

Ericd 18:23, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I changed it to read "The church was in the news briefly," which seems more accurate and doesn't discount its extensicve history. --oknazevad 16:00, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I had forgotten this comment... In retrospect this makes me think to John Lennon. What do you think about "the church became more famous than Jesus Christ" ? Ericd 16:07, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Funny, but frankly a bit too funny and unscholarly for an encyclopedia. Still, I give you high marks for humor.--oknazevad 20:25, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

term "terrorist" removed to establish the neutrality of the article

Not even sure if "terrorist" isn't neutral, but besides the point. Not justification to incorrectly state a link's title. --Patrick80639 17:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Excommunication of World Leaders

I have taken out the following material, as there is no source cited and it clearly isn't accurate even if there is a true story behind it (the Church of the Nativity is a building so it can't excommunicate anyone). If anyone can come up with a sourced and factually accurate version feel free to put a mention of it into the article, at more proportionate length. Palmiro | Talk 15:30, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

The Church of Nativity decided on Sunday, March 30, 2003, to excommunicate U.S. President Bush, Rumsfeld, Blair and Straw due to their military attacks on Iraq. This act effectively bans these world leaders from stepping foot on the sacred grounds the Church of Nativity in Bethlehem. A spokesman for the Orthodox Church of Jerusalem, archimandrite Attallah Hanna, said that the excommunication decision is only a means to express disapproval and strong condemnation of what is currently going on in Iraq. It is also an expression of the Church’s sympathy with the Iraqi people. Hanna described both Bush and Blair as having turned a deaf ear to several calls by the Orthodox Church and other churches before war erupted. “This indicates that leaders of the invading states did not listen to the church, and hence, we deem them excommunicates and perverted.” With this radical act the Church of Nativity made an example of itself, as it is the first church on earth and has a special importance for different Christian sects.

[edit] Re-Work

I've done some major re-working of the article with regard to format, adding info and pics. I'd appreciate any further input anyone can make, esp. regarding the Church of St. Catherine (for instance, why is it named for St. Catherine?) and any architectural details that might be informative and relevant. Also, does anyone have a suggestion for a better heading than ==Compound==? I thought it was better than the previous one, but only mildly so. By the way, if anyone has access to one, a better picture of Manger Square would be nice. MishaPan 09:06, 24 February 2007 (UTC)