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I have done a lot of reading about this Church of God group, both from the Rick Ross Institute mentioned in the article and from their own sources. I have worshiped with them and I cannot accept the finding that they are a cult. I am not a member of this group and, in the foreseeable future, I don't see joining them.
They are loving, kind, and very family oriented. Lots of children. It's also the first mixed race Chruch I've been to for a long time.
I will say they are eccentric, but who isn't. They dress in a modified style from the Mennonites or Old Order Brethren, but they wear mustaches. I do not wear shoes. Who's to say I'm not a little eccentric?
I was well received by the group.
I'd like to see a little more information about the Rick Ross Institute and what motivates them to call a group like the a 'cult.'
Brian Daniels
You will then want to explore one man's experience with this Cult at ScrewedKenoshaStyle.com
If there ever was a cult the Church of God restoration is it! At the following site you will get all the info you need,in order to know why this is a caged in cult to stay away from .....Go to www.factnet.org type in Daniel layne or Church of God - Chilliwack, BC / Aylm.....
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Our families 18 year experience with this group in both its conceptual and present form was very negative. They practice an extreme form of legalism. It is one thing to choose personally to follow a certain lifestyle. It is another thing to be told that if you do not obey this groups eccentric and sometimes dangerous set of rules, that you will be rejected by God and go to Hell. This group teaches from a hyper- Armenian view point, which says you can loose your salvation by committing one sin. If you do sin, you must "get saved" again. As sin they include drinking caffine, watching tv, reading unapproved books,women wearing pants, jewelry, or cutting their hair. Also listening to unapproved music,decorating your home, using any type of lace even on womans underwear,wearing fragrance,or not attending their frequent campmeetings are things that are deeply frowned upon, and for which a person will receive severe reproofsand warnings.
They spank their infants and children harshly, for even such minor offenses as having to go to the bathroom during
their 2-4 hour long church services. The young men and especially the young women are not allowed to attend post-secondary schools. Married women are not permitted to work outside the home. They require unquestioning obedience and submission to the ministry. They also teach against using any type of medical intervention or medicine, even if you are sick unto death. Several people have died of relativily minor illnesses that only needed some medical intervention for the person to survive ie abdominal hernia. They allow babies to die during homebirth because the mothers refuse c-sections. ( Homebirths using their own self trained midwives are the only type permitted) Children are not permitted to have their innoculations. There have been rumours of sexual abuse by the ministry, but as of now, no legal charges have been brought.
I attended Wellspring Retreat (www.wellspringretreat.org) for a two week cult recovery program. This is what helped me to be able to see clearly what this aberant church actually is, a destructive mind-control group.( search Robert J. Lifton- Mind control; also Margaret Singer's writings ) Wellspring estimates there are up to 5000 of these type of groups in the USA and Canada.
Both new converts and seekers need to thoroughly research this group. Countless lives and families have been damaged by their contact with Church of God Restoration/The Gospel Trumpet.
Elizabeth A. Redington Libby-at-home 06:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] People perish due to lack of knowledge.
Looking at the Church of God from a distance seems harmless. For the the ones that don't see a threat, I challenge you to search the many errors out diligently. Spend just a few minutes on my web site www.screwedkenoshastyle.com , and maybe you will learn things that will alter your opinion. Read my article "Forked Tongue Derailment", and listen to the several audio sermons and songs of their services. I also have their own "Gospel Trumpet" literature of theirs on there. It is one thing looking at rat poison, it is another thing if you partake of it. I can have a whole lot of opinions looking into the arena, however the opinions are validated only if you spent some time actually inside the pen. The cult broke up my marriage because I didn't follow their rules.(see site) After you searched out my site, it is linked over to the factnet site, search that out too. Only after you search that out will you get a vague idea of what it was like in the bullpen. I would rather meet the beasts that kill the body, than a ministry that kills the soul with mind control. Bernie Tocholke —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SKS victim (talk • contribs) 02:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC).
[edit] my edits
I tried to neutralize and clean up some "trivia". The lists of outreaches was deleted, as the group does not limit its outreach to certain areas, and continually changes. The section discussing divorce was deleted as it would become a long discussion to list all the differences between Warner and the COGR. Perhaps that info would fit better on the Warner page. There seems to be a difference of opinion about whether spouses are encouraged to separate from non-member spouses. I have heard "second-handedly" that they are encouraged, but that does not give me enough "evidence" to say so in the article. Is there any source information for this? Mikeatnip67.142.130.17 00:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Concerning Deleted Links
I will continue to delete the link which attacks the Church of God Restoration even though I do not fellowship or agree with most of their doctrines but I do not feel this is the format to take out issues with Danny and his boys. This discussion format is perhaps the place for the links and charges of misconduct that you wish to air. But the unproven links within Wikipedia should not be continued behavior as it is counter productive. This link is not informative or useful, it is only a way to slander the Church of God and the beliefs of D.S. Warner. Since Wikipedia has certain criteria that it uses to determine if information is valid I do not feel it would be equitable to the Restoration or to D.S. Warner to allow this information of which cannot be confirmed to be slanderously spread in a format like Wikipedia. I understand some frustrations however the personal attacks that are not BIBLICALLY based should not be put into the site. It is childish. I have issues with their tactics also and some of the things that I heard personally preached over their pulpit but since they continue to cover it up one would have to assume that God is going to expose them as he will all of Babylon in his time. I would suggest that you build your own webpage publishing your issues with the Restoration as they call themselves. The doctrine of Holiness is correct. So in your fighting with them you die in your sin, you will not go to Heaven. You may have a different viewpoint, that is your right to do such. However their is only one road to Heaven and that is a Sin Free Life. As to the Restoration, I would not classify them as a Cult in the sense of Jim Jones for I feel that 99% of the people are God fearing folks. However, they do use mind control as did Jesus. The only difference is that Jesus was correct. I am sorry, Restoration but it is true. Jesus did not advocate that everyone had to dress alike, in black and white with beards. As a matter of fact, in order for Jesus to be betrayed he had to be kissed by Judas so that the Jews would even know who he was. I would suggest that perhaps if your were dressing the way that you do so that you could win the Amish, then I would say Amen. But to make it a law of God without a solid scripture foundation? Another standard that they teach is in Divorce and Remarriage. They believe that if you have ever been married, either approved of God or not, you can never remarry. They lied to me and my family and told us that they teach the doctrine "Just Like D.S. Warner", only to find out a while later that "sorry, thats not true". Go to Daniel S. Warner in Wikipedia. You will be able to access his teaching of Divorce and Remarriage from there. There is a real good website entitled www.dswarnerlibrary.com that has over 250 books of the Reformation if you are interested in more information concerning the true teachings and doctrines of D.S Warner and his associates. Sorry so lengthly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.156.25.183 (talk) 05:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] my edits
An explanation of some of my edits. 1. I removed some of the links and comments about Rick Ross. In my opinion, the best place to discuss him would be on his page. 2. I reorganized some of the information about the teachings. I think it will be more readable this way. 3. I added back the links giving "opposing" viewpoints. With every group, there will usually be at least one person that is strongly negative. However, with this group, the "negative" (i.e. "cult") view is more than one disgrunteld person. It is a widely held viewpoint among many ex-members and others. Is that the correct viewpoint to have? The reader can decide after he sees both sides. But it is a WIDELY HELD viewpoint that the researcher would want to know about. At least I would want to know about it if I were researching a group that I did not know personally. 4. I removed the link about music, as it is within the site already linked —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.142.130.16 (talk) 16:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] removal of links
www.churchofgodrestorationexposed.us www.churchofgodonline.us
If the removal of our links continue, then it is obvious that we are going to have to request arbitration from Wikipedia on this issue because we will continue to add our link back on. You do not understand how bad this group is and how many lives have been ruined. And what gives YOU the right to decide what the public is allowed to read and what should be kept hidden from them? That is why the Restoration is able to continue with such widspread abuse, because people like you do not agree with the concept of critical thinking. That is very arrogant of you to not allow people to make informed decisions without you deciding for them. What makes you think you are the one that is right in this arguement?? We can come up with at least 100 wittnesses who will testify as to the abuse this ministry allows. And since they only have 600 members on a good day, that is a very large percentage. You may contact us personnally at our web site.Libby-at-home 09:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
www.churchofgodrestorationexposed.us www.churchofgodonlineexposed.us
I also recommend you read the FIVE PILLARS OF WIKIPEDIA before you continue to delete our content. Libby-at-home 09:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
'Wikipedia has a neutral point of view, which means we strive for articles that advocate no single point of view. Sometimes this requires representing multiple points of view; presenting each point of view accurately; providing context for any given point of view, so that readers understand whose view the point represents; and presenting no one point of view as "the truth" or "the best view". It means citing verifiable, authoritative sources whenever possible, especially on controversial topics. When a conflict arises as to which version is the most neutral, declare a cool-down period and tag the article as disputed; hammer out details on the talk page and follow dispute resolution' Libby-at-home 09:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
WHY DON'T THEY MAKE THE MINISTRY LIVE UP TO THE SAME SIN FREE STANDARD AS THEY REQUIRE OF THE PEOPLE???? BECAUSE THE ADMITTANCE OF SIN IN THE MINISTRY WOULD MARR THE PERFECT APPEARENCE OF THE ANGEL MESSENGERS. SIN IS KEPT HIDDEN IF THE MINISTERS COMMIT IT. THIS IS A FACT NOT THE DISGRUNTLED OPINION OF A FEW. THE WHOLE CHILLIWACK/NOOKSACK CONGREGATION (MEMBERSHIP 60-70) LEFT THE GROUP BECAUSE THE ASSISTANT PASTOR(AND EDITOR OF THE GOSPEL TRUMPET) SINNED, LIED ABOUT IT AND HUSHED IT UP, ALL WITH DANNY LAYNES KNOWLEDGE. WHEN IT WAS DISCOVERED THE WHOLE CONGREGATION FELL APART AT THE TOTAL HYPOCRISY THAT HAD BEEN ALLOWED. YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT... WILLFULL IGNORANCE THAT STEMS FROM PRIDE IS A HARD THING TO HIDE.....
[edit] Reorganization
I made an effort to cleanup the article as per the recommendation. I tried not to destroy any pertinent content, but did end up making a few minor deletions and additions. Mike Atnip
[edit] Cleaned Up Page
Tried to clean up the article in the best interest of Wikipedia readers. Reorganized some information and deleted useless information that are not substanuated within the Guidelines of Wikipedia. --PK1964 03:41, 8 April 2007
[edit] Biblical Eldership VANDAL
The shame of this is simple. The same individaul continues to vandalize all of the Church of God Websites who disagree with his little teachings concerning Church Government. Although I do not agree with each "group" as it were, I do not agree with deceit and lies. Salvation produces something better than this. Your actions are a shame and a disgrace to God. I am sorry that you believe this is the only way to promote your teachings. You continue to make false statements on Wikipedia without proof to substanuate your statement that DS Warner taught what you believe to be true. Whatever the case, we are asking you to stop vandalizing Wikipedia with your attempts to promote your foolishness.
[edit] Biblical Eldership Evidence
Here is some of the evidence that you requested. It is abundantly clear that D S Warner and the early pioneers of the church of God taught and practiced biblical eldership as was presented in the eldership presentation on the referenced website. They did not practice the modern day hierarchy governing model, such as exists in Catholicism, Protestantism and nearly every 7th seal congregation of the Church of God (as well as the other splinters). Be open minded and study their early writings and you can see for yourself:
Read D. S. Warner, Elders and Deacons, Gospel Trumpet Article, Aug 15, 1886
“When Paul wrote to the church at Philippi, he addressed all the saints, "with the bishops and deacons." He did not say with the bishops, elders, and deacons; but recognized only two classes of officers —bishops and deacons. A plurality of elders were ordained in "every church." Acts 14:23. Therefore Paul terms these elders, bishops. Bishop and elder then is the same in Scripture. But two classes of officers in the church at Philippi: bishops —the ministers of the word of truth, and overseers of the flock-and deacons—the ministers of the temporal affairs of the church. I emphasize! Anything more than this is apostasy.” -- The Cleansing of the Sanctuary, by H. M. Riggle & D. S. Warner
“All the ministers of the Gospel are elders, and then there are chosen of God local elders to take an oversight over each local congregation of the Church of God.” -- D. S. Warner, August 15, 1885 issue of The Gospel Trumpet.
“The authority of a true gospel elder is not the creature of his ordination to the office, but is the direct result of those gifts, which qualify him for the eldership. Babylon officers have their authority wholly by virtue of their office; but scriptural elders have their office by virtue of their authority. The first is beast power given by the dragon, the second is Divine authority conferred by the Word and Spirit of God. The first exercise lordship over God’s heritage, the later rule by a holy example and by the power of God’s Spirit, and Word in their hearts.” – D. S. Warner, August 15, 1885 issue of The Gospel Trumpet.
“The only coming out that we teach and that God wants, is simply a return from all human works, and unscriptural governments, and authorities, and standards, and rules, and managements to the Mighty God; to His likeness, His holiness, His cementing love, and to His all-wise control. Not setting aside any of the gifts and offices He has set in the body, but recognizing them all, but not acknowledging any lords over God’s heritage.” --D. S. Warner
I suggest that you provide evidence from D S Warner that supports the governing model of one pastor per congregation, who is the "shepherd" of the "sheep" (flock). It simply is not in Warner's writings nor was it his practice, and it definitely is not found in the New Testament. It is a deep rooted tradition coming from a spirit of apostasy. It is foreign to New Testament teaching or practice.
[edit] Biblical Eldership Evidence Does NOT Justify Removal of Links
As to all of the information that is printed, I can not ascertain either way. Do you think that it is justifiable to remove links and vandalize different articles of Church of God groups? WWW.DSWARNERLIBRARY.COM
[edit] Church of God
Keep in mind that the Church of God Restoration does not represent the Church of God today.
CoGR sounds like some of the sixth seal Church of God's - they dress really old fashioned. I don't know a lot about them. They are fanatical – as is the CoGR.
The Church of God (Not Pentecostal) is still around and doing well. We still believe in living a Holy life through the second work, Sanctification which removes the inbred sin and allows you to live Holy and sin-free (By God's grace).
There have been a lot of splits (Anderson, A split where there were people that said that the Church fell, tithing issue) but thank God there is still a Church that has the victory over sin and is living right!
Church of God Saint in Virginia
[edit] Church of God Saint in Virginia
Hello and welcome to the Discussion of the Restoration. Not that I would disagree or agree with your statements concerning the Restoration, I am wondering how you can make blanket statements about people of whom you freely admit that you have never met? Also, who is the 6th Seal Church of God? Have you ever met them? Just wondering. Perhaps you could elaborate some on where you attend church and what group that you are currently fellowshipping with.
[edit] Re: Church of God Saint in Virginia
I have read a bit about the CoGR and it isn't truth. It is filled with man-rule & fanaticism - I have been told that married couples have to have a baby once a year. So many rules and regulations. What does having a baby once a year have to do with Holiness?
They have been named the 6th Seal Church of God because they dress like D.S. Warner did in his photographs (In other words, old fashioned as in pioneer days). The men have beards as he did and the women dress like they did in that time. They probably hold D.S. Warner more then just a worker in the kingdom, but I can’t say for sure.
I don't know a lot about them beyond that though – I don’t know where they are doctrinally. A group of them came to Ohio campmeeting last year. The women are not allowed to talk to men until they are dating/married. I'm not sure if they have arranged marriages - it might be like that. God has a way for his saints – a way that is not too far to the left or the right.
I'm not sure if I should post where I attend Church at on the Internet. Might not be the wisest thing to do. If you are interested let me know and I can email it to you or something.
Let me know if you have any other questions!
Church of God Saint in Virginia
[edit] What is the Church of God?
Just wondering and perhaps you could tell me what your group believes concernging this thought; in the broadest sense of being saved, is is not possible that most of the people in the Restoration are only doing what they believe is right? So if they in fact are living without sin, a holy life, and are doing all that they know(even if you believe it is fanatical), could it not be that they are just a part of the COG as you are in Viriginia?
So I have three questions:
1) What makes a person a member of the COG?
2) If a person is saved from sin are they considered saved and will they go to Heaven?
3) Who puts people into the COG?
Thanks and looking forward to your reply. Please reply with scripture and not with just what you have heard.
[edit] Re: What is the Church of God?
in the broadest sense of being saved, is is not possible that most of the people in the Restoration are only doing what they believe is right? So if they in fact are living without sin, a holy life, and are doing all that they know(even if you believe it is fanatical), could it not be that they are just a part of the COG as you are in Viriginia?
Yes, they could be saved. But they need to come out of that and come to a true body of believers.
1) What makes a person a member of the COG?
Salvation:
Acts 2:47 - "Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved."
2) If a person is saved from sin are they considered saved and will they go to Heaven?
Yes, but in this case, those people who are saved need to come out of Babylon (False religion) into a congregation where people are living to the Bible standard of Holiness. You won't find Holiness in false religion.
Revelations 18:2 - "And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird."
Revelations 18:4 - "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."
3) Who puts people into the COG?
We certainly don't. Our headquarters is in Heaven and God has the books. We will be able to tell if people are living Holy by the fruits they bear.
If you have any more questions, let me know!
Church of God Saint in Virginia
[edit] True Body of Believers?
You are saying that they are not in the true Church of God, right?
What defines the Church of God?
Is it the small group that you are a part of?
Are you really saying that the group of 15 or so churches that you fellowship with are the "Body of Christ"?
If you really believe that your church is "THE BODY" then you need to let all of know who you are so we can all come to your fellowship!
As to the wisdom in letting the world know where you fellowship, I would say that if you really believe that you have all of the truth that GOD requires you to "Shout" it from the housetops.
Right?
[edit] Re: True Body of Believers?
You are saying that they are not in the true Church of God, right?
Right.
What defines the Church of God?
Anybody can call themselves 'Church of God'. The name means nothing if the life does not back it up. Look to the Bible in Corinthians & the other letters to the Churches – there you will see what the Church is supposed to look like, how they should conduct themselves, etc. The most important thing is that they live a holy life. Anyone can dress modestly and even go a little overboard with it, but it all comes down to if they are living a holy life.
Are you really saying that the group of 15 or so churches that you fellowship with are the "Body of Christ"?
Yes - I'm just a small part of the Body.
If you really believe that your church is "THE BODY" then you need to let all of know who you are so we can all come to your fellowship!
As to the wisdom in letting the world know where you fellowship, I would say that if you really believe that you have all of the truth that GOD requires you to "Shout" it from the housetops.
I would, but I don't think that you're asking for the right reasons.
Let me ask you something - have you had any previous experiences with the Church of God? If so, where was the congregation and who was the pastor? Also, what year was it?
Church of God Saint in Virginia
[edit] The Body of Christ?
You say that holiness or a holy life places you in the church of God and yet you are placing sin upon people that you freely confess that you do not know. You are judging a group of people because they dress more modest than you do. I can testify for them( I do not attend or go to their churches) that they are holy! They do not sin period. You are going to be shocked when you get to heaven and you see them all there. In of a truth you do not really believe that a holy life puts you in the COG, but rather that fellowship with your group and lining up with your groups rules and regulations makes you a member of the Church of God. That logic and belief my friend is contrary to the scripture. That is in fact sectish and as you would put it Bablyonish.
[edit] Re: The Body of Christ?
Before I reply, I want you to answer my question - what, where & when have you had experiences with the Church of God?
If they live holy, why aren't you with them? Do you go to Church at all?
"They require unquestioning obedience and submission to the ministry."
I have read about these people. The ministry controls the people with threats. That isn't how it was meant to be.
Doesn't sound the like the Church of God to me:
WHY DON'T THEY MAKE THE MINISTRY LIVE UP TO THE SAME SIN FREE STANDARD AS THEY REQUIRE OF THE PEOPLE???? BECAUSE THE ADMITTANCE OF SIN IN THE MINISTRY WOULD MARR THE PERFECT APPEARENCE OF THE ANGEL MESSENGERS. SIN IS KEPT HIDDEN IF THE MINISTERS COMMIT IT. THIS IS A FACT NOT THE DISGRUNTLED OPINION OF A FEW. THE WHOLE CHILLIWACK/NOOKSACK CONGREGATION (MEMBERSHIP 60-70) LEFT THE GROUP BECAUSE THE ASSISTANT PASTOR(AND EDITOR OF THE GOSPEL TRUMPET) SINNED, LIED ABOUT IT AND HUSHED IT UP, ALL WITH DANNY LAYNES KNOWLEDGE. WHEN IT WAS DISCOVERED THE WHOLE CONGREGATION FELL APART AT THE TOTAL HYPOCRISY THAT HAD BEEN ALLOWED. YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT... WILLFULL IGNORANCE THAT STEMS FROM PRIDE IS A HARD THING TO HIDE.....
Church of God Saint in Virginia
[edit] Oh Church of God
What, where and when? What? Where....all over the USA....from the group that you are with, to the other group, to the Restoration......I have seen it all. I know that there are saved and holy people in all of the groups including yours. I can ascertain that they live Holy because I have been with them. I cannot attest that ALL of them live holy as neither can you attest that everyone who claims to be saved in VA is HOLY either. Only God knows if someone is obedient to everything that they know or not. The Ministry where you attend also teach and enforce rules that are not in the bible. True? See I can speak of your group because I know your group, I know the ministers and some of the people. I can speak of the "Wilderness" people because I know them and their ministers. The ironic thing is this; manrule is prevelant in all of them! Man rule in the sense that the "Ministry is at a different level than the people". The truth is this........your minister would probably counsel you to stop this conversation even though you have made blanket judgemental statements against an entire body of people, 99% of whom you have never met or even talked too. I doubt very seriously that Jesus Christ would have operated this way. So I must ask you again.......what do you define as membership in the COG? Individuals of whom submit to your specific rules and regulations, or those that are Saved from all sin! Keep in mind that a sin is a willful transgression against a law of GOD! So then if a "new convert" in the Restoration believes that they have to wear caps on their heads to stay saved(although they do not teach this), they will go to Heaven because they are living without SIN! Not because of the cap issue, but because they are living Holy to all that they know is right. Just like yourself, if you are Holy and without sin, you are in the COG also. SIN is the test.......not a standard set up by any preacher or group of preachers. See this is the problem with the COG today, many claim to be teaching the word but in fact are teaching their own ideas and standards as GOSPEL. Can you answer the question now or will you continue to avoid it?
What puts you into the COG?
A holy life?
or lining up with your groups rules and regulations?
[edit] Sad but true
The shame of it all is that if the ministers of all of these groups would let the Holy Ghost rule the Church rather than them ruling the Church, misunderstandings and unjust judging between individuals probably would not take place. It is going to take humility and much love between the brethren to work thru these problems and issues without compromising. As I read the responses I can only wonder how the "Saint in Virginia" can make such blanket statments about people that he/she does not know. This judgmental attitude will never build unity.
On the flip side of the coin, the Restoration Ministry would not even let their people in such a conversation for fear that they would lose control of the people. It is all about control by men or man-rule.
It is a holy life that puts you into the Church, and sin that puts you out! Perhaps we should all read what Paul said in the book of Romans.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
Perhaps we should not judge one another anymore as the dear Apostle Paul states here in Romans. What do you think? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.145.77.113 (talk) 05:01, August 20, 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Warnings and Questions
There are many scriptures warning the new Christians in the early church against those who would harm them spiritually. We are bound to our brethren to watch and help them against teaching, behavior, and belief that is fatal to the soul. There is a difference between the way brethren in the Body are treated and the way those in the world are treated. Take a look at I Cor. 6. 2 for example. Some would say lets not judge... but the Bible teaches Christians to be ready to 1) have an answer for those who challenge their faith, and 2) to challenge or judge those who say they are in the faith. What do you think?
If the Word tells Gods people to be wary of those who would bring error into a group of believers, and that we should be free to exhort (urge strongly) each other in the faith, why is it a problem for those with testimonial experience to give their testimony on this forum?
To be balanced and loving is not to ignore and disregard dangers found along the way, especially for those who follow after.
In regard to COGR, we should be thankful for the warnings and personal testimonies of those who are willing to speak up about the abuses of power, leadership, and holiness among the leaders of this group. Perhaps there are many people living truly holy lives in this group, but there are also some evil things going on according to the personal testimony of some who are not afraid to speak up.
69.229.232.145 04:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
www.churchofgodrestorationexposed.us is owned and edited by ex-members of this group who are very well aquainted with the origins of this group, and with the the head ministers. This group meets all of Robert J Liftons criteria as a totalistic mind control cult. This is not simply another CoG DS Warner split-off It is a dangerous, manipulative, and abusive group. Be warned before you visit or contact this group that you are putting your children, spouse and close friends and family in danger of being coerced into a very dangerous "church" www.churchofgodrestoationexposed.us —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.252.211 (talk) 08:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Made one Change to this page
Under the main doctrins I removed this (Sanctification or Baptism of the Holy Ghost) and replaced with the real doctrin of the COG Restoration of Total Sanctification.
After reserching there entire statment of faith or Beliefs I relised the orginator or editor of the statment here was confused on the termanology and simply thought it was the same thing, but it is two very diffrent things. we need to be carfull and not write about things we don't understand or have a good grasp of. The Reason I did this is becuase the COGR is oposed to and always has been to anyhting Pentecostal Especialy the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.99.118.114 (talk) 04:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
ive met the siants and they are extream like jesus was and they are extream because the bible says to be like jesus ,they are very nice and have always been there for me when i needed them. WWJD —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexferrand1991 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
