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It seems to me that the "Institutes of Religion" section could be fleshed out quite a bit. In particular, one might include student organizations affiliated with Institute such as LDSSA, LDS Fraternities and Sororities, and performing groups. Any input? Sylverdin 22:09, 4 October, 2006 (UTC)

I strongly suggest that the use of the "University Infobox" be eliminated for the following reasons. CES is not a private university system. It has no chancellor. The number of instructors, administrators, and other employees exceeds 5,000. The number of individual students in CES programs exceeds one million (i.e., seminary, institute, Church Schools, BYU--Provo, including Continuing Education, BYU Idaho, BYU Hawaii, and LDS Business College). I am unaware of any university system that looks like or does what CES does. The infobox misrepresents CES on a number of levels.

I suggest that it should be re-included. CES is a private university system, containing actual universities (BYU, BYU-Idaho, BYU-Hawaii) and oferring university-level courses at institutes. It also offers courses at lower-than-university levels (seminary, misc private elementary and secondary schools). CES has no "Chancellor" but it has the equivalent, a "Commissioner". If the numbers in the infobox misrepresent CES, please fix them, don't eliminate the infobox altogether. --TrustTruth 17:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Church Board of Education Membership List

Dear Friends: Tonight I had the privilege of attending my brother's graduation from Seminary. On the back of the Seminary Graduation program were lists of the Board of Education on the general and local level. I learned therefrom that Elder David A. Bednar of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles has taken the place of Elder Joseph B. Wirthlin of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles on the Church Board of Education. But since Board members are listed in seniority, what really happened was that Elder Richard G. Scott replaced Elder Wirthlin, Elder Robert D. Hales replaced Elder Scott, and Elder Bednar replaced Elder Hales. Consequently, I have altered the membership list to reflect the change. Thank you. --Jgstokes 02:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Someone keeps insisting that Russell M. Nelson and M. Russell Ballard are now members of the Board of Education to replace Elders Scott and Hales. The only reason I made the 5/21/07 change to the list of board members was because I had a program from a CES Seminary Graduation that listed the members whose changes I made. Where is the source for adding Elders Nelson and Ballard and omitting Elders Scott and Hales? As soon as I see the source, I will accept the change, but until that time, I'm reverting to last verifiable source. --Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 00:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Why is a program from a CES Seminary graduation a reliable source in the first place? I don't see any reliable sources cited, so I would think the change can be made and a {cn} added to it. Snocrates 01:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

For that matter, since the change from Scott and Hales to Nelson and Ballard was made without an explanation or a source, reliable or otheriwse, why did this change go on without a (cn) added to it? Btw, I am not against the page as it now stands. That suits me fine, even though finding a source to confirm or deny this will be difficult. What I am against is the change made in spite of a source, reliable or otherwise. Besides, the CES seminary graduation program HAD to get its list somewhere. I assume that it was obtained from a reliable source, otherwise it wouldn't have been listed in a church-endorsed program. However, I have no real objection to the (cn) note or the page as it now stands. Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 01:10, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

No source was listed either before or after the changes were made, so nothing has changed. Snocrates 08:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Sounds all right to me. I have been trying to find verifiable information for these changes and others I've heard about. As soon as I find anything, I'll let you know. Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 01:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I finally found a reference proving that Nelson and Ballard are on the Church Board of Education. See Church Board of Education Execs convene at BYU. However, I'm new enough to wikipedia that I haven't yet learned how to add a footnote for a citation, and I can't find where footnote 1 is in this article so as to add footnotes for Nelson and Ballard. --Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 21:36, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Never mind. Just figured it out. Reference added and consequently citation needed tag removed. Now, if we could only find a reference for Bednar's membership. --Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 21:47, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New President of BYU-Hawaii

To Whom It May Concern: On June 5, 2007, President Gordon B. Hinckley announced that Eric B. Shumway was being released as BYU-Hawaii President following many diligent years of service. He simultaneously announced the inauguration of Steven C. Wheelwright as President Shumway's successor. http://www.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=61a138b6b88f2110VgnVCM100000176f620aRCRD&vgnextchannel=9ae411154963d010VgnVCM1000004e94610aRCRD Since this is verifiable, consequently, I have updated this information. Thank you. --Jgstokes 04:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:CES-logo.gif

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BetacommandBot 04:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)