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Contents 1 Laughter for chickens 2 Darfur Map 3 AFV photos 4 Vitruvius says of himself that he's an old man 5 Stations box 6 Deleted articles 7 Template:Support 8 sorry 9 Problem with User:Theathenae 10 Serenity problems, again 11 Copyright 12 Macedonian (disambiguation) 13 The locking of the Republic of Macedonia 14 World War 15 a strange thing 16 Also 17 Image copyright/licensing question

[edit] Laughter for chickens

Chris: Just wanted to let you know that even though "kuram na smekh" is a more accurate transliteration, "kooram nah smech" is the way it's written in the published Serenity script book. Dunno which is preferable on the page, though: see Talk:Serenity (film)#Simon's safeword phrase. Oh, and thanks for keeping an eye out for our anonymous friend! —Josiah Rowe 00:26, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Darfur Map

Dear ChrisO

I write you from the Argentine Forensic Anthropology Team (EAAF) regarding a map of Sudan uploaded by you that we would like to include in our 2005 Annual Report. The map illustrates the Darfur conflict in Sudan and may be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Darfur_map.png. Is it possible to get a JPEG image sent to us of the map at over 1000 KB (2500 X 1800)? The image is too blurry when resized.

Our organization was founded in 1984 and is a non-governmental, non-profit, organization that applies forensic sciences - mainly forensic anthropology and archaeology- to the investigation of human rights violations worldwide. It was established to investigate the cases of disappeared people in Argentina during the last military government (1976-1983). Over the past 20 years, the team has worked in 35 countries in Latin America, Africa, Asia and Europe.

As part of our forensic work on human rights cases, each year we publish a basic overview of the human rights context for the countries in which we worked. You can also find more information about EAAF at our web site, www.eaaf.org. Approximately one thousand copies will be printed for distribution at no charge to NGOs, academics, truth commissions, international tribunals, local judiciaries,families of the disappeared, and others interested in the work.

The map contribution will be greatly appreciated. You may also include in the email the name and organization that you would like to be credited in our report. I can be reached at this email address or via phone at (718) 237.2028. Thank you, once again.

Sincerely, Felicia

Felicia,

Unfortunately I don't have that image at a higher resolution. I created it by overlaying this detailed UN map on top of this public domain CIA map, then tracing the boundaries of the Darfur provinces onto the CIA map. If you want a higher resolution image, I suggest that you use the UN map, though you will need to ask permission to do so (see http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/english/about.htm ). -- ChrisO 20:27, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] AFV photos

I'm going to keep pestering you to make a complete list or a Wikipedia:gallery of your AFV photos. They're great, and I'd like to be able to browse through the whole bunch. (If you don't get around to it, I just may do it myself) —Michael Z. 2005-10-19 22:59 Z

Feh! Never mind. —Michael Z. 2005-10-19 23:12 Z

2S1 Gvozdika	BA-20	BMD-1	BMP-2
ISU-152	Katyusha	Katyusha	Katyusha launch rails
PT-76	RT-21M Pioner (SS-20)	SU-100	T-10
T-27	T-38	T-42	ZSU-23-4

PS: feel free to remove this from your talk page if you find the image loading to be annoying. I just wanted to see all of your pictures together. Cheers. —Michael Z. 2005-10-23 20:32 Z

[edit] Vitruvius says of himself that he's an old man

This must sound rather odd coming from the guy who put Vitruvius online, but where does he say that? (A true question, by the way: I didn't notice it and can't find it, but that would hardly be the first time I missed something. On the other hand, it would also not be the first time that some secondary interpretation crept into the lore about a historical figure — safer to check.) Best, Bill 23:11, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

The source is Encyclopaedia Britannica: "Since Vitruvius describes himself as an old man, it may be inferred that he was also active during the time of Julius Caesar." If it can't be confirmed it's probably best taken out... -- ChrisO 23:24, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. Even the venerable 1911 Britannica occasionally nods. Vitruvius' sole surviving work is the De architectura, and I can't find such a statement in there. I'm removing it, by commenting it out. If we find something in there that can be interpreted that way, we can always put it back. Bill 12:02, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

I came to invite you to join the other admins who are trying to help with M* wikis, I've changed my mind (I guess you'll help them when it's needed), and I thought I should leave a link (since there's no discussion at all on that wiki's talk page). Take care. +MATIA ☎ 14:40, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Stations box

Hello. I was thinking about "opened as...". Is that what you were thinking of or more detail? Mrsteviec 13:25, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

I think you'd need more than that; think of stations like Surrey Quays that have gone through multiple renamings. I'd suggest just having a "previous names" line with room for a date range, e.g. "Deptford Road (1884-1911), Surrey Docks (1911-1989)". -- ChrisO 13:30, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Ok. Surrey Quays tube station, Dagenham Heathway tube station. How about what I've done here. I'm trying to avoid adding an extra field as you have to go back through all the existing articles adding a blank field item or it comes up with an error in the article. But let me know if you think it needs to be clearer and we can move towards that. Mrsteviec 13:55, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted articles

I am Bassking8219, and i recently had some articles of mine deleted. I am trying to set up a link of articles about my band and the members in it, so if you could not delete my created articles, i would be very grateful. Wikipedia is cool by the way.

[edit] Template:Support

I'm not sure why did you decide to delete the Template:Support without even looking at the talk page. There I explained why is it not eligible for speedy deletion and why those who unilaterally delete it act against the rules of wikipedia (short: that page does not fit in any of the Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion). Could you please take a look at the talk page next time? Halibutt 01:07, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

There was a clear majority in favour of deletion when the matter was voted on. The talk page makes that quite clear; I tally the vote against as 44 votes to delete against 9 votes to keep. Please cease re-creating the template, as you've done four times already. I've deleted the template again - don't re-create it again, or more drastic action may be necessary. -- ChrisO 07:40, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi Chris, I editted the Republic of Macedonia, changing the name of the state to the officially recognised by the U.N. name Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. The Unighted Nations don't recognise teh simplified from Republic of macedonia for some certain reasons, that neither me or you can question at this point so why don't we just respect the U.N. recognision? Steve

why did you delete the Ani Fiordimondo page?

[edit] sorry

I'm sorry for creating forgs, I'm new to wiki.. You are talking about having an anbiased site and you use names and symbols that are not recognised by international organisations (UN, NATO, EU) and you know that they offend millions of people around the world. ok Bush and some(or many or whatever) politicians around the world might do, but they are not international organisations; they also support the war in Iraq, would that make it a legal war, if not the UN? Why so we need the UN then? If the state is finally recognised as Republic of amcedonia, then use the name, I will support its usage and try to convince myself that its the right thing to do, as I respect the Unighted Nations. Before this day, teh unbiased way of describing a state is by using the name that these orginasations recognise and not what Bush and the president of Turkey think its right. Best Regards Steve

i am bassking8219, and you have just deleted my band page. You said "your band is not NOTABLE enough to be on Wikipedia". What is that supposed to mean? Who are you to decide who is important and who is not? You think you are this almighty power, "you are worthless, you don't deserve to be on this website" I've got plenty of people who want my band's page to be up. Wikipedia is a great way for bands to get publicity as well. I tell him, he tells him, and pretty soon lots of people know about us. It's gonna happen,and eventually well be "notable" enough to be on Wikipedia, so just let us in, now. Who cares about "policy", what you are doing is wrong. Everyone is equal under the eyes of god, so start treating them like it.

I second that, you unhelpful hypocritical bastard, Chris!!! - --RichardHarrold 20:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC) User:RichardHarrold/Template:Signature. P.S. I've just seen what a total jerk bassking8219 is from his contributions. Still, you could be more helpful.--RichardHarrold 20:36, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with User:Theathenae

Cris, I have a problem with User:Theathenae.

I did the following edit some days ago: [| from history], but this user keeps reverting me and insisting that "many" should be used instead of "some" in the sentence: "The Republic of Macedonia^¤, officially referred to by the United Nations and some countries as the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM)...".

Also, in talk [[1]] I gave links when you can clearly see that just 16% of the countries recognise Macedonia under some other name than "Republic of Macedonia". Even the countries who use the FYROM refference for us, in the direct contacts with our country use the constitutional name (example: Germany, Netherlands, Italy, Spain etc.). Also, the parlaments of the United Kingdom, Germany and Italy (Greek allies in the EU) already recomended their goverments to recognise the constitutional name of Macedonia.

Despite this, User:Theathenae keeps pushing his own POV and does not care about the truth.

I have to stress that this user was already permanently banned at the Swedish Wikipedia for Greek Pov Pushing (as given as a reason). I beleive he is doing this again now, on the English Wikipedia (and probably some other). Please check his history, you will see what I am talking about.

If you need to contact me, please use my talk page. Thanks

Macedonian 02:19, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Also, having on mind that you are working on the article for the foreign relations of Republic of Macedonia, I would like to remind you that there was another proposal of the United Nations some 20 days ago, a proposal which Greece refused, but Macedonia accepted. Also, a Greek MP of the leading govermental party in Greece had several comments concerning the naming dispute and the non-sence of it, but he was criticised by many other Greek public figures, even called a psichiatrsit case. You can read a little more about this on: [[2]].

Also, I think that we should include that many people who consider themselves as Macedonians and who are refugees from Greece are not allowed to get back in Greece and are not allowed to ask for their ownings which they have when they were runned away from Greece. On the other hand, the refugees of Greek origin are getting their lands back.

If you need any assistance about the human rights of the Macedonians (and any other minority) in Greece, please feel free to contact me. I think this might be important, because it plays big (maybe even crutial) part in the naming dispute. Macedonian 02:37, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Serenity problems, again

Hey, Chris. You were kind enough to look in at Serenity (film), where we have had a persistent anon user (24.7.196.180) pushing his POV, and reverting without explanation. Well, he's back and back at it, except that he's not technically reverting any more (just adding the same information over and over again). Could you take a look at the page and let us know what you think of the situation? Thanks. —Josiah Rowe 06:00, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I've blocked him for a 3RR violation, and upped the block time to 48 hours in light of his previous violations of the rule. -- ChrisO 09:04, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for handling it, Chris. We'll see if he gets the message this time. —Josiah Rowe 16:46, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright

Hey. I am currently making a history project for my school, I would realy like to use the picture you have taken of Pont du Gard as my front page. (This project will be printed in two or three copies.) It is this picture I am talking about:

I will of course refer to you as the picture owner. If you are okay with it, please drop me a mail at jakobjespersen@msn.com

Jakob

[edit] Macedonian (disambiguation)

I would like to see the same rules applied to Macedonian Greeks. They have been self-identifying as Macedonians plain-vanilla at least since Herodotus. Byzantine sources identifies the people who wikipedia calls "Macedonian Greeks" as Macedonians, and those who are currently Macedonians, were called Slavs (and not Macedonian Slavs). Do I misunderstand the disambiguation policy? Most reference works call Macedonians what Wikipedia calls "Macedonian Greeks".

A google search on .mk domains shows that they use the term Macedonian Slavs to refer to their ancestors (there are also Македонски Словени, Славомакедонци, Словенски Македонци, Македонци Словени and whatever else spelling, but I can read only english and greek). If they use it, it could be used for disamb and it surely isn't offensive (and yes they also used it in non-historical context, mostly by RoM politicians during the last 15 years). They use the name RoM for 10 years, and names with the term Slav/Slavic for 60 or 100 years. If we include Bulgarian historians I doubt we'll get something older than 200 years. +MATIA ☎ 23:19, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Note that I used the term "self-identify as ethnic Macedonians" - that is, as an ethnic group distinct from any other ethnic groups. Greeks living in Macedonia certainly identify themselves as Macedonians but not as a distinct ethnic group in their own right. They identify themselves with the wider Greek ethnos and have done since, I would guess, ancient times. -- ChrisO 00:29, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. +MATIA ☎ 00:36, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The locking of the Republic of Macedonia

Dear ChrisO.

I would like you to check the comments on the locking of the page and on the nationalistic claims by User:Theathenae. I really think that someone should react on this kind of behaviour that he is showing. He is completely wasting our time here, instead of letting us concentrate on more important issues.

Can you please consider an arbitration against this user? I am completely sure that I am not the only one who feels this way. User:Theathenae should not be allowed to play with the Wikipedia rules and principles. It is time to put an end on this behaviour.

Thanks for participating in the issue. Macedonian^(talk) 03:17, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi again, ChrisO. Please check this: [[3]]. I really think that this is taking too much time. He was pushing his POV and reverting the article page of Republic of Macedonia several times a day, but now, when he is asked for sources, he suddenly dissapears?

He actually gave all he had, a report on the census of 2002nd where he expects that Greeks and Bulgarians will be numbered separatelly, no matter they include less than 100 people. But, as you can see on my comments right after his, the same census was very highly rated by the European Union representors.

Thanks. Macedonian^(talk) 02:45, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] World War

I have just one thing to say about your edit to World War: brilliant. That's the best single edit I've seen since I started here - drop me a note if people want to go back to the silly list. Andreww 11:17, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] a strange thing

Special:Contributions/207.142.131.239 - the ip says 239.131.142.207.rev.wikimedia.org domain name pointer bayle.wikimedia.org
But this doesn't seem to have anything to do with rrvs.knams.wikimedia.org
an admin in the past had replaced some of the copy-pasted comments by Mr Sterbinski with a wiki-link to that user's page containing the same comments.
The *.wikimedia.org part is more strange, and I didn't know if I should report it and to whom. Take care. +MATIA ☎ 00:34, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Also

"Former Yugoslav" is not the official name of the Republic of Macedonia, too. Other countries refer to this one as "FYROM" only because of greek pressure on them. Bomac 22:43, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

"Former Yugoslav" is a bit different because it does have some official status (via the UN), though I agree that we should be using the country's own name for itself. On the other hand, "Eastern Greek Macedonia and Thrace" is a completely made-up name. Please don't do that again! -- ChrisO 22:46, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

As I've said before, UN recognises this country by "FYROM" only because of Greek pressure and strong lobby. "FYROM" is not completely, but double completely made-up name. Bomac 22:50, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

The difference between your made-up name and the United Nations' is that the FYROM name has a lot of official recognition, regardless of why it was invented in the first place. Something like "Eastern Greek Macedonia and Thrace" has absolutely zero recognition of any kind. I strongly suggest that you go and read Wikipedia:Naming conflict. We only use the actual names of entities, not the names that people think they should be. That's why the Republic of Macedonia article is called what it is, not "Republic of Skopje" or something silly like that. -- ChrisO 23:40, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Hello. Can you please check this? What do you think about it? Thanks. +MATIA ☎ 14:09, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright/licensing question

Hi Chris,

I'd like to know if it's possible to license Egyptian_funerary_stela.jpg to use on a commercial web site, created by EBSCO Publishing. Our designer would like to use the image on our online, subscription-based library research service, "Literary Reference Center".

Please advise. Thank you.

Judith Biewener Senior User Interfaces Product Manager EBSCO Publishing 10 Estes Street Ipswich, MA 01938 800-653-2726, x561

It's fine by me, but the image is a bit low-res, as it was taken using a fairly cheap digital camera. You could obtain a better one from the Ashmolean Museum - they can be contacted at publications@ashmus.ox.ac.uk . -- ChrisO 20:07, 8 November 2005 (UTC)