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Bat-scans!

Depending on what resources are available to you, I'd like to ask you to upload some images to help better illustrate the Batman article. Here's roughly what I have in mind:

  • The panels from Detective #33 where the bat enters Bruce Wayne's study.
  • Something to illustrate his Silver Age/pre-Crisis history. Alfred dying, Batman joining the Outsiders, something like that.
  • Some sort of image (story art or promo art) from "Year One".
  • The panel from "Knightfall" where Bane breaks Batman's back.

Let me know if you can help. WesleyDodds 01:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I will try to get these within the next few days. There's also a cover with Bane doing that. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 07:26, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Here: I think I actually prefer the first page of Batman and the Outsiders to the cover. I still need to find something for Year One. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 08:46, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
For the Year One images, what would you like? I can get anything, but I am thinking either the almost black and white picture of Bruce just sitting in front of the two gravestones or the frame where Batman says, "You've eaten well" as he attacks a bunch of rich people. Thoughts? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 08:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the scans. The "Year One" image I had in mind was a full-body promo drawing from The complete History (Batman is standing straight up, looking down with half his cape draped over his body, signed by the artist at the bottom). It might be in the hardcover. Barring that, my suggestions are the cover to #404 or the three-panel sequnce from #405 (his first night out) starting with "no--I'm no killer" and ending with the kick to the back; this shows the inexperience of Batman in "Year One" as well as provides an example of Miller's prose. But pick what you think works best. WesleyDodds 09:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I also can't choose between the Outsiders images. Both seem good. Just put up whichever one you think works best in the context of the page. WesleyDodds 00:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Another request: a cover from the 1950s to the illustrate the corresponding section in the Publication History. Nothing too insane (we don't want it to be "Look how lame and stoopid 50's Batman was!!!"), but "Silver Age-y" enough so that it's representative of the period. WesleyDodds 01:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Planetary and citations

Hi Chris, when you get a chance could you address my questions about the issue of when citations are necessary on the talk page for Planetary (comics)? Thanks! Hypnosifl 07:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

TVRage

I've tried to support your removal of the section from the [{TV Tome]] article, but the website being spammed is no reason to remove it where it is appropriate. I'm now neutral. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 12:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I may not notice if you only reply here, as I've got too many user pages on my watch list because I added a vandalism warning. Please reply on my talk page if you think it important that I see the response. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 12:56, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Can you please keep an eye on the edits of Asgardian? He is making POV editor and disregarding formatting standards on The Gladiator and Abomination pages. Thank you. T-1000 18:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Belated Congrats

I've had limited interaction with you, but whenever I did, felt you would have made a great admin. Congrats. CPitt76 03:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Page moves

Alright Chris, how's it going? Since you made admin I don't see so much of you on my watchlist, hope things are dandy. Anyways, Jc is proposing a requested move page now that the naming conventions have been changed. I've suggested using the notice board, but I'd appreciate your input, see User talk:Steve block#Requested moves. Steve block Talk 11:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, I'll take a look. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 18:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

You are deeply mistaken...

I didn't edit anyone's comments or warnings except my own which were either misspelled, wrong type of message, or hard to interpret. I restored a few warnings and comments of a certain user and warned the person about sockpuppetry and also told the person why removing comments is not allowed. There was one message I left for an anon IP user where I made a wrongful message which was not directed to them, but I corrected it as soon as I saw it. I know I changed several template messages just so it wouldn't sound so strict for the person since I'm a nice guy.

I suggest you get your facts straight Chris and do not accuse me of things you believe I've done. I will never edit another person's warnings or comments except: If one forgets to sign their name. I see that you modified my warning to 129.12.200.49 and for that I must pardon myself since I dumbfoundly didn't see that the IP address is shared by several users from the University of Kent at Canterbury. Thanks for correcting that yourself. That's it! Alright? P.S. - the only reason why I think you're accusing of some things is because you don't like me and NEVER will since you didn't comment on my approval of my having a new start, and that's okay, I DON'T CARE!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Power level (Dragon Ball) (talk • contribs)
I never said you edited anyone else's warnings. I said you edited someone's talk page comment, which you did. Now calm down. Again: Do not change template messages; your rewording is clumsy and less effective. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 18:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, can I please just place the template warnings that are only on Wikipedia instead of modifying them to my own liking? --Power level (Dragon Ball) (☎☓)

Litchfield Towers

I read the message on the talk page, and I had no idea of the murder. Definitely sound relevant, though. I was simply throwing in boilerplate information I've picked up (I live there) and some basic info from the student handbooks and online website. I'll get around and put in some references in a bit. RyanGerbil10(Упражнение В!) 00:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I was news editor at The Pitt News a few years back, and I think that's when I heard about it. It may have been 1980. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 00:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks

I am not going to apologize for calling someone who claims to have stephen king emailing him as a "deus ex machina" a liar, and i am certainly not going to apologize for responding to someone's arrogant ignorant comments on my talk page with further arrogant ignorant comments on theirs. I admit that the liar comment may not have been the smartest move, but I stand by the other. Its hard to assume good faith when someone begins the conversation with "No, your wrong" then goes on to miss the point, then warns you off something you have stated you will not do. Warns you off TWICE, in strong manly language. So yeah, perhaps I will wait for Stephen King to claim that hoodie guy is in fact Randall Flagg on his webpage, but if you are going to sanction me please consider mitigating circumstances. WookMuff 19:48, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, thats annoying WookMuff 19:54, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

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Kittens say meow meow meow

Ok, I'm feeling dense, I admit it.  : ) - jc37 08:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Rational thought appears not to work. Maybe irrational will. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 08:43, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok. Thank you (I think) for causing me to fall out of my chair laughing. : ) - jc37 09:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I like kittens. They say "meow meow meow". Do you like kitten, Nihilozero? I love you.--Chris Griswold (☎☓) 08:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC) I guess this joke never gets old for you as you've apparently used it before. It's very witty. Wow. Ha. Anyway... you never really addressed the point I was making which WAS and IS: The Batman page is about the character BATMAN who originated in comic books but has since appeared in other media with the same characteristics. Therefore... the other media representations of Batman OUGHT to be allowed as a source for information about the character on that characters page. Kittens. You're a funny guy. Did you think of that all by yourself? Nihilozero 06:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I've used that joke before? It's not really a joke, so much as meaningless nonsense directed at an editor who refuses to accept consensus, which I think is warranted after that editor levied so much disrespect and rudeness at others. I'm done discussing this with you; nobody wants your changes. If you want to fight fictional corporate fat cats, go travel cross-country with Green Lantern.--Chris Griswold (☎☓) 07:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment

The post at the Comics Project talk page wasn't needed, because it was basically a social comment. Talk pages are for discussing changes to the article and/or project. Not to go "woohoo I got my 15,000th post", and then to justify by the post by mentioning you have enjoyed working for the project? Come on now. You know how Wikipedia works, there is no excuse for social comments on talk pages. This isn't an internet message board for posts like that. You could've easily made a post about something actually comics related, then as a side note... said it was your 15,000th edit... but you didn't. Now you can leave me alone, and stop posting "no response?" on my talk page. RobJ1981 16:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Certainly there's a reason for community-based posts on a project talk page. I am sorry to know you are offended that someone would want to share in the joy of the work instead of sniping at other users, and it's unfortunate that you didn't feel you could mention something like this to me. I hope I won't ever be so bitter as to complain about an editor's thanking other editors and sharing an appreciation of their contributions to a WikiProject. Are you just getting too stressed out on Wikipedia to be OK with something like that? If so, maybe you ought to talk to someone or take a break. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 19:39, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
No personal attacks Chris. Calling me bitter is a personal attack. RobJ1981 23:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Let it go the pair of you. I don't think Rob's complaint was well-made, but this shouldn't still be an issue two weeks later. Rob did what he did, and if he isn't going to justify the way he did it, you can't force him Chris. I think you need to let it go. And Rob, it's not best practise to ignore posts on your talk page, and as to the complaint in question, we do assume good faith on Wikipedia, and beyond that there are traditions of people noting achievements in edit counts, and Wikipedia is as much a community as it is an encyclopedia. This is what we call in my house a storm in a tea cup and I hope you can both apologise and move on, I'd hate to see this escalate. Steve block Talk 00:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I've let it go. I don't like to be purposely ignored, which was clearly what was going on. This is over for me; I will assume good faith with Rob again and hope that he behaves better toward me in the future. I just understand that to get the most out of Wikipedia, you have to treat it as more that placing templates and deleting commas. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 00:33, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Technically, he just implied that you're bitter. But don't mind it. He's an admin, ya know? An exception to the general rules. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I did less than that. I didn't even direct it at him. You can learn a lot from me, Ace. I don't call people idiots.--Chris Griswold (☎☓) 00:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry as well. I shouldn't have made a big deal out of something little.RobJ1981 21:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Spider-Man

What's wrong with the previous image?

The colors are better, and it fits both the character-artwork and promocomic templates. --DrBat 23:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC) LIt's better to use the actual cover than information-less promo material. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

But the article is about the character Spider-Man, not the series Amazing Spider-Man; we just need an image of him. --DrBat 13:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Stat-Man is back

Hey, dude. Just a head's-up that you might want to keep an eye on or consider going ahead and blocking User:70.157.66.37, who appears to be the same person who a few weeks ago went through the Marvel-character entries adding the super-strength "tonnage" stats that by consensus are disallowed for numerous much-discussed reasons.

I've just spent wayyyy too much time (and it's 5 a.m., which just shows you my Wiki-addiction) cleaning up his cruftian edits on over a dozen pages. He may be unstoppable, as it's an anonymous IP; I dunno. But I thought you'd want to be aware.

In better news, User:Stephen Day is doing some nice work. Cheers, Chris! --Tenebrae 10:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks so much. I'll keep an eye on the situation. Yes, he is. So is User:JGreb. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 10:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
We're not at blocking stage yet. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 10:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

202.67.65.165

You indef-blocked this AOL ip. I reduced the block to 30 minutes. Regards. - Aksi_great (talk) 10:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandal 202.67.65.165

Is there a way to block 202.67.65.165 from editing his own talk page? He's putting lots of profanity and insults on it. Thanks! :) –- kungming·2 | (Talk·Contact) 10:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Trying to figure it out. Actually, I will just protect the page for now. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 10:06, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

How can I help?

What can I do to help? Burnout is a hard thing to go through, I hit the wall myself from time to time. What's causing it? Steve block Talk 19:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I think it has to do with finding my focus. My watchlist has grown way too large from doing administrative and organizational work, and so I need to weed that down. I think I may have just taken on too much and the little things are getting to me. I would like to renew a commitment to the comics cleanup wikiproject, and maybe we should just integrate it into the main project. I'm not sure about that. I was putting that together to prevent myself and others from burning out, but it looks like I was too far gone to really commit to it the way I wanted to. Maybe it needs to have a looser commitment and more participants, which is why it might be good to bring into the main prtoject; I just worry about too many editors focusing on one article and creating conflict. Additionally, I have pretty much abandoned the notice board, and I think it will be better if we can enact a change that I proposed on the talk page: that of making a list of editors committed to the notice board, who will note what they intend to patrol for the page. This is a bit of a jumble, I know, but this is where I am right now.

The good note is that part of the problem I am having with Wikipedia may be that I am properly medicated and actively working through the ADHD and dysthymia problems I have and no longer need Wikipedia in the same way or as much as I used to. So as I get healthier, my relationship with the project is changing. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 20:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, I hope your health is improving, certainly. If it helps, I'm sitting with books on Tintin that I've had out of the library for nine weeks and have to be returned Friday, no further renewals allowed, and I've barely been able to use them because of all the admin crap. It certainly weighs heavy. The cleanup crew is a good idea, it just needs us to co-ordinate it well. I know what you mean about too many people causing conflict, but I think there are enough good editors around now that we can just cut all that out. We need to work sort of like a tag team, and hit one article after another together, with focus and organisation. Organising that will be the hard part. The notice board is a hard job to update, it's kind of why I avoided making one myself. What would be good is if there were some way of making a bot which could do that sort of stuff for us, but I have no idea how to code bots so I don't know if that's possible. Steve block Talk 20:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I agree with Steve in that I think we should just tag-team these articles one after the other. If I can set aside some time to do so I think I would be of much greater service to the project. Maybe if we could schedule times for people to work on articles? Have time slots for people to work on them? Just a shot in the dark. I need focus, as the time I spend on WP is rarely used wisely. Glad to hear you're feeling better. --PsyphicsΨΦ 20:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, both of you. I do think that with better organization and more of a focus on community we can avoid burnout and be more productive and more fulfilled by what we do here. I will see if there is a way to request a bot for such a thing. I have spoken with bot users before, and one may be able to help. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 21:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Oops, I just made a request at Wikipedia:Bot requests#WP:COMIC noticeboard. Sorry. Steve block Talk 21:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
No, that's great. Thanks. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 21:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Spider-Man SHB

After seeing the new Spider-Man SHB, I've decided I like the inclusion of the cover art as opposed to the promo for the cover in SHB articles. Thanks for changing it. --PsyphicsΨΦ 20:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I got tired of a revert war about the promo art/cover art mention, so I changed the file. I think we rely too heavily on promo art.--Chris Griswold (☎☓) 21:39, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I think you're right, and it takes us one step away from the comic book origin of the characters. Having the title, bar code, and such all reinforce that. Do you think this is big enough to push for the whole project? --PsyphicsΨΦ 21:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I do. And I'll happily find replacements for every cover. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 22:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Small suggestion if you do go this route. You maybe able to find the relavent replacements on the Grand Comicbook Database. As per our requirements there they are w/o watermarks (ie "milehighcomics" or the like superimposed on the covers) and can be pulled as 400px, 200px, and 100px jpgs. Simplifies things in that you just have to re-size as opposed to start fresh.
— J Greb 22:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Good point. I will take a look at those, but I have other resources to draw from as well. Thanks for the suggestion and keep up the good work. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 22:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Promo art is usually used first because it's of a better quality, and it falls under the promocomic template. That Spider-Man cover has its art obscured, and it's faded as well. --DrBat 23:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that in justifying fair use, we need to make sure that the quality is not too good. When a non-promotional version is available, it should take precedence. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 23:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
All we need to do to reduce the quality is to make the actual image smaller. --DrBat 23:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I want to ask why you think the promo versions are necessarily of better quality. There are a lot of people online logging man hours scanning comics covers, and a number of the groups that do so produce fairly decent work. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 23:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Promo art being "of better quality" is of less import than the comic cover art refocusing the image (and thus the article) on the comic book origins of the character in question. Want to move this discussion to WP:CMC? --PsyphicsΨΦ 23:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes. Good idea. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 23:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Done, copied and pasted to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics at the bottom of the page. --PsyphicsΨΦ 23:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The Second Supper

Many thanks for the comment on The Second Supper. One of the editors of The Second Supper has been working on the article. One would assumed his information is accurate. Thanks-RFD 12:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Superteambox

You have done a number of changes removing present and current members and I have had a look around and can't find where this is discussed. Looking on Template:Superteambox it seems the issue is unresolved (I've thrown in my opinion) and I wa wodnerign if you could direct me to where the decision was made.

I'd also like to point out that some of the comic/comic book mess has not yet been resolved as previously mentioned most recently here [1] (Emperor 14:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC))

Ah, thanks. These changes are per WT:CMC discussion on the infobox templates in general, in addition to the talk on the template's talk page. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 17:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
There is discussion on the Template talk:Superteambox but no consensus was reached. I'm just wondering where this was decided. (Emperor 17:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC))
I have linked you to the archived talk page discussion. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 18:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Chickens

I bet someone has shown this to you: [2]

Just thought someone would like to know...

Also here it is, further. Anyhow, just swinging by to say good work on the lock-down. --mordicai. 14:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


Advice 'n' Help

Hey, As you appear to be a funny-book lover and, as a mod or whatever, you presumably know lots about wikipedia, i have a question. I recently added some info to the Thunderstrike (Eric Masterson) article and scanned a single panel, and a series of 4 (i think) panels that would go nicely with said information but a) i have never uploaded images to wikipedia before and b) i don't really understand the concept of fair use, plus c)the image size of the single panel is 498x755 whereas the 4 panel is 944x752 so i assume thats like high res. Any halp/advice would be appreciated, even if its "Don't do it". WookMuff 04:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

tanks, will do that WookMuff 05:29, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

A few notes

There is a typo on your user page: Chris Griswold got the Univerity of Pittsburgh Police in trouble. It should be university. I just took a look at Category:Marvel Comics stubs, and there is plenty of needy articles there. Maybe this is something to help your burnout? I'm sure there is several articles in the stubs that aren't notable enough, and could easily be deleted or merged I would imagine. Another idea to help burnout: Category:Unassessed Comics articles RobJ1981 04:58, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

True. Good point. I will take a look at those. Oh, and I went to the University of Pittsburgh. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 05:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Well it's official, I'm too addicted to Wikipedia. I've been a member since only late June (of this year), and I'm already up to almost 10,000 edits. RobJ1981 07:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I really only started contributing in March, and that's about what I had in August, so it looks like you're on the same path I am; careful, there's some bad road ahead. Oh, and good work. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 07:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
What bad road is ahead? Burnout? RobJ1981 07:25, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm just being silly, really. Yeah, burnout. Getting too into it. Being an admin means you get people hate-emailing you, which is not too cool. There are good things, too, though. For instance, although I may not have shown it recently, Wikipedia has made it easier for me to handle situations in my real-life more calmly and civily.--Chris Griswold (☎☓) 08:03, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

About Wikipedia

Dear Mr. Griswold

I understand that there is more to Wikipedia that Userboxes. As I stated on my User Page, the main reason that I joined with Wikipedia was to correct minor mistakes in articles (except on other people’s User Pages), a promise which I have kept and will continue to keep. I just haven’t found any mistakes on the articles I’ve read recently, and I’m not going to edit information that doesn’t need editing.

I didn’t know anything about Userboxes until I registered with Wikipedia. I only asked a couple of people about them so I could add a few to my User Page. Now that that’s out the way, I can go back to correcting spelling/grammar mistakes.

As for political leanings, why did you ask about that? I was unaware that asking about how to add Userboxes had anything to do with politics.

I hope this has settled any wrongdoings.

Acalamari 16:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Emergency help request

User:Patstuart and I have been trying to mentor, help and educate a Marvel employee, User:Seanviola, who regardless has consistently created loads and loads of advertising/promotion linkspam that User:Patstuart and I have spoken to him about and spent hours -- actual, 60-minute hours -- reverting. Despite the rv's, requests and warnings at his talk page, he's again today Wikitrolling tirelessly today (see here). He won't stop linkspamming, and every minute that goes by is more work for the rest of us. Please help. --Tenebrae 16:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

As the offending party in question I would like to at least say that while User:Tenebrae is the one who feels my wikipedia rights should be revoked, User:Patstuart is the one who I initially was speaking to. User:Tenebrae then came into the discussion, with a much more agitated tone than I felt the discussion between User:Patstuart and myself warranted. As requested I was altering the links, removing anything that linked to the catalogue (even though Marvel wasn't selling anything and I felt that the listings served more as a resource from which an interested reader could become further aware of the actual output of the creators and the formats the comics can be found in rather than an advertisement)and putting in other links from Marvel.com that were more appropriate such as podcasts and interviews. I thought the wallpapers would be a good resource too but User:Tenebrae didn't take much of a liking to him and this is how we are in the situation we are in.
I will take responsibility for the wallpapers though because I didn't even realize that they violated one of wikipedia's laws until User:Patstuart reminded me that you have to register to see them (i'm automatically logged in so I forgot about that fact). I mean no ill will towards wikipedia, quite the opposite, and I just wanted to enrich the content already established on the site. I have no interest in hawking Marvel products, that benefits me in no way, again I was more interested in supplementing the previously existing material.
Thanks for hearing me out. -Sean- 17:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Update

OK, this time, unlike every other time we've asked, the possibility of Admin intervention appears to have made him act responsibly. He seems to be removing the linkspam. Thanks for being there. It truly helped.--Tenebrae 17:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I would now like to add that the reason I changed things is not because of your threat of reporting me, but because User:Patstuart politely informed me of the way in which I was violating the rules of wikipedia. I'm not an insidious bad guy out to take over wikipedia, I am only trying to give the people who cwant to look up a comic book artist or writer on wikipedia some more resources where they can further enlighten themselves. If I may make a suggestion, perhaps the wikipedia pages could list the names of the collectioins that the creators work appears in so that it doesn't seem like an ad. That's one thing I do think is missing -- the information on how to currently procure comic book stories in a much cheaper easier way than scouring over-priced back issue bins.
Sorry for the long rambling, I just want it to be clear that I am not trolling, spamming or any of that stuff. Let me know if something I do is a violation and I'll try and find something that is appropriate. -Sean- 17:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
This all just looks like you had a misunderstanding. Links to the marvel site are OK, but not links directly to the catalog. I understand Tenebrae's frustration since I've had to spend hours reverting things like this before. As for consumer information, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia nad not a consumer guide, and so that sort of information does not belong. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 17:34, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

what the hell are you talking about?

WHY????? WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY USERNAME ASSHOLE?

Suicidal tendancies 20:11, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Uh, what? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 20:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

User talk:63.204.98.51

Chris, there is no way that we should assume good faith with an IP adding that Mr. Rogers was a child molester. That's a completely inappropriate edit and clear vandalism. Whatever your issues with User:Suicidal tendencies, removing the vandalism warnings from User talk:63.204.98.51 was wrong. Please don't enable the vandals. Thanks, Gwernol 20:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not enabling anything. The user never said Mr. Rogers was a child molester. Read it in context. Additionally, I have no issues whatsoever with Suicidal Tendencies. I don't believe I have ever seen the name before today. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 20:25, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

User:63.204.98.51

Please understand we make mistakes. There were three different editors that tried to warn that guy now, including one administrator. While I understand WP:AGF, as a RPP we do make understandable mistakes every once in a while. -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 20:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I know people make mistakes. And this was one. I don't know that much more needs to be said about it than that. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 20:25, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Mt. Lebanon School District

What information needs sourcing? --M@rēino 20:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I've added tags for claims that need to be cited. Also try post-gazette.com and some other online searches for the info to support these ideas. Thanks. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 21:56, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Speedster (comics)

Hi. Congrats on becoming an admin! Sorry to bother you, but it looks we might have an edit war at speedster (comics) between myself and Ace Class Shadow. If you could chime in with your opinion on that article’s talk page, it would be appreciated. Thanks. Nightscream 10:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry...my bad

Sorry about yesterday, i was just very pissed off about user:Yanksox, who made me have to start a new account, i accidentally posted a message in the wrong place.

Please accept my humble apoligies.

Formerly: Suicidal Tendancies

Now: Ring modulator 14:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Planetary (comics)

I removed the analogue section, I'll try and rebuild it at some point in the nearest future in a sourced fashion. Steve block Talk 14:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Protecting pages

Please note m:Protected pages considered harmful. When semi-protection is an option, even if it creates some work, it is preferable. We don't protect or semi-protect our main page articles, and they get hit with a far higher vandalism rate than chicken is. The vandalism is more than managable with semi-protection, and to overuse protection is a fundamentally bad thing. Phil Sandifer 17:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Phil. Full protection is not warranted where vandalism is at a manageable level, as it is with the chicken article. In some ways, full protection of an article does more damage than vandalism does by stunting the Wiki-process. You ought not be so quick on the draw to completely lock down articles. (It's also frowned upon to undo the actions of multiple administrators as you have done in repeatedly full-protecting the chicken article.) Please consider our advice and lower the chicken article to sprotected. JDoorjam Talk 17:30, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
OK. I just needed someone to explain. Thanks. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 17:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

My Wikidiction

Hi, Chris. This is going to sound weird, but it's absolutely serious and a mark of desperation: I'd like to ask you to block me from editing Wikipedia from this Monday until the following Saturday. I have a serious problem not being to stay away from working on Wiki, and it's affecting my work and my deadlines. I can't stop on my own; I've tried. You could do a comedy sketch about this, with the Wiki addict going through all the steps and rationalizations and everything else an alcoholic does.

I know I have a problem, so I'm asking for help. Please block me from Monday to Saturday so I can concentrate on my regular work. I would appreciate this more than you could imagine. Please. --Tenebrae 00:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Please: I'm still asking for help. The article Wikipediholic makes fun of it, but addiction comes in all form and it's humorous. I believe there needs to be a mechanism for users to voluntary have themselves banned — analogous, though obviously it's on a far lesser degree, to having oneself committed for observation. I understand you may have objections and you wouldn't want every Wiki-addicted Tom, Dick and Harry to come to you for help, but I'm asking this a collegiall favor. At least it's worth discussing. See my four hour contributions list just for today, a work day if you think this isn't serious. Thanks, --Tenebrae 18:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Leftover talk pages

Please delete the following talk pages as left over from deleted categories:

  • Category talk:Actors who portrayed Captain America
  • Category talk:Actors who portrayed Clayface
  • Category talk:Actors who portrayed Dick Grayson
  • Category talk:Actors who portrayed James Gordon (Batman)
  • Category talk:Actors who portrayed Mr. Freeze
  • Category talk:Actors who portrayed The Joker
  • Category talk:Actors who portrayed The Penguin
  • Category talk:Actors who portrayed The Riddler
  • Category talk:Actresses who portrayed Barbara Gordon
  • Category talk:Actresses who portrayed Catwoman (Batman)

Also, as I've beeen going through all the project-related articles, I'm finding not a few page moves which didn't move the talk pages correctly (and I only just finished "A"), so be on the lookout for redirects with the comicsproj template (or even discussions) on their talk pages : ) - jc37 13:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. Taking care of these now. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:22, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Comics-related requested moves

A couple questions for you:

  • 1.) As I go through all the comics articles, I am finding a lot of scattered redirects, with the double redirects not fixed.
  • 2.) I am also amassing what is turning out to be a rather lengthy list of "requested moves/renames". (Some of them don't require an admin, but I'm not differentiating at the moment, since there are so many scattered redirects, and because there are so many cases of "floating" talk pages with redlinked article pages. So for now, I think it's better for me to presume that there will be a target in the way of the move, than to presume otherwise.)

So the questions:

  • 1.) Is there any chance that if we provided the action /search query, the bot could perform the task?
    One task would be to search through Category:WikiProject Comics articles for blue linked talk pages which are attached to either redirects or redlinked pages. At times, the bluelinked talk pages are not just the comicsproj banner, but I've actually encountered orphaned discussions. If a list was made, it would be easier for someone to go through the list and delete talk pages with no discussion history (the only edits being banners), but yet save orphaned edit histories.
  • 2.) How would you like the requested moves posted? I could create a sub-page of the notice board, or a sub-page of the requested moves page. (It's likely too lengthy to place directly on requested moves?) Or if you want I can start with "A", and go from there.
    As a corollary to that, how would you like the more complex moves listed? (For example: B->C, then A->B) In a separate section on the listing page with numbered steps?

Anyway, this is just the start of the iceberg : ) - jc37 11:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Wondering if you've given the above any thought : ) - jc37 15:04, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Jc, if you want, knock up a subpage in your user space, and we'll work out where to whack it when we get there. It might be an idea to have it as a sub-page of the cleanup project, but before you do that I want to settle the issue of whether that is remaining a separate project or a taskforce. It seems to me we might want to start looking at all the comics related projects and seeing if they want to become task forces rather than separate projects, to better unify our approaches. I can't comment on th ebot issue as I was unaware we had a bot. Steve block Talk 14:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
    Ok. And the task-force idea sounds like a good idea, too. I don't know about a bot either, I was just asking/hoping : ) - jc37 01:41, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

X-Men characters

hey i just noticed that XPower2007 just made a category called Category:X-Men members. Well since a List of X-Men characters has already been out, shouldn't at least one of them be deleted?

note: i am asking you thins since i saw you did major work on List of X-Men characters, and that your an admin. If you want I can make a post on the Wikiprojects:Comics page.Phoenix741 21:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Already did, though had I seen this I would have waited... - jc37 21:16, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
meh as long as someone fixed it. I was just curiousPhoenix741 21:18, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Not "fixed", just posted. Though at this point, I think someone should drop a note on the user's talk page... - jc37 21:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I added something on his talk page. Hope that helps.Phoenix741 21:37, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
ok it is back to the way it was....Phoenix741 00:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I've also responded to your query on your talk page. - jc37 16:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Ace Class Shadow, again...

Ace is at it again. Please see his comments to Legs of boe on the Spider Man 3 talk page, under the section "The Vemom Picture". For some reason, this guy can't get it through his head he should lay off the personal attacks. It's got to stop. Why does he feel he has to attack people, and with such personal rancor? Again, its got to stop! People are beginning to feel they can not post one darn comment without him jumping their asses. Does this guy make a living pointing out other's stupidity? I'd hate to know him in person. Let me know if there is anything substantialy you can do, and if not I'll take my complaints elsewhere. Reynoldsrapture 03:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I would also point you to my talk page, for reference. I'm trying very hard to be civil, unlike our friend. Reynoldsrapture 04:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Edits on Steven Cummings

Chris, I'm new to Wikipedia and am trying to learn the right way to do things. On a page I set up for comic artist Steven Cummings the image I set was removed with this note: "09:17, 9 November 2006 ChrisGriswold (Talk | contribs) (rm incorrect infobox, Replaced: |comic_color=background:#ff8080 → using AWB)". What did I do wrong and how can I fix it?

Thank You,

Egg Embry

-=-=-=-=-

FOLLOW-UP: I have tried a different style of image on Steven Cummings entry consistent with the cover to Local #1 found on Brian Woods' Wikipedia entry. If that is not appropriate, please let me know how I can make it so.

Thank You,

Egg Embry

OH, here's the deal with this: You have been using the wrong type of infobox for the article. He is not a team and is not written nor published by anyone. I have been trying to find the right infobox and am having trouble doing so. I or someone else may have to put one together. That's all. Thanks for asking. It's not the image; it's the template you have used. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 16:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Chris,

Thank you. I appreciate your input.

You said that Steven "is not written nor published by anyone". Since he has been published by Marvel, DC and TokyoPop, do you mean that he is not a comic book character [I'm sorry if that sounds weird, but I hope it makes sense]? I've tried this info box:

[ [ Image: Pantheon_High_Volume_01.jpg | thumb | right | 225px | Cover to [ [ Pantheon High ] ] Volume 01 illustrated by Steven Cummings and written by [ [ Paul Benjamin ] ] . ] ]

Hopefully that works.

Thank You Again,

Egg Embry

User talk:Obbi

Hey, there -- wondering if you had any input regarding this user's current unblock request. As I see things, they only made one edit, and it's been a few days, which would lead to me AGF and unblock, except that they appear to have been involved in coordinated vandalism, and given the account's creation date, might be a sleeper. So, looking for your input -- thoughts? Luna Santin 08:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that this account was created solely to vandalize chicken as part of the vandalism craze there. I have privately e-mailed with this user, and he has accepted his ban. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 08:57, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Inappropiate warnings

Could you please explain your warnings (final/test4) of the following users regarding vandalism on chicken:

  • Eldes (talk · contribs) - whose only edit to chicken was adding a blank line [3]
  • Aviatora (talk · contribs) - who simply added an valid internal link to Australasia [4] and has a short history of minor positive changes
  • Elysianfields (talk · contribs) You have just given this user a {{test4}} warning for minor vandalism which occurred three days ago, despite the user in question a) already having received a warning for that action, and b) no vandlism occurring since that once off event.

The first two look unjustified for the given actions (neither were remotely like vandalism) - not to mention the inappropiateness of your edit summary to both[5] [6] - and the third one was overly harsh and unneccessary especially as the user in question has a useful contribution history. As an aside, I think the indefinite blocking of the above user (Obbi) as a vandalism only account based on one vandism edit (+pic) was too hasty. You may be right about it, but you may be also be wrong, and it would have not hurt to assume good faith a little longer and start with the usual test1 warning. After all, if it turns out to be vandalism account, all you've lost is a few more minutes giving the appropiate warnings based on their actions (and not based on what you think they might do), but if it was not a vandalism only account and just a newbie with a misunderstanding, then an immediate block is a big bite to take out of them! I do empathise that when dealing with vandalism day in day out, it's easy to become cynical, but it's important to deal with each case on its own merits, with AGF reset each time. It's also important to rememeber that the goal of giving warnings is to stop vandalism - not to block people. Blocking is only a last resort to protect wikipedia - but only in the event that the warnings did not work, so it is vital that the warnings are always used. To me, stopping vandism solely with warnings is what defines a successful result, not stopping it with blocking. Regards, MartinRe 11:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

NO, you're right: I just read the WP:Colberrorism essay, and I agree. I will take care of this later today. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 14:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I have been warned for my "vandalism" of chicken. I hope you're the lasat person to harass me days after the occurence. great vigilance!!! --Elysianfields 19:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Ace Class Shadow

I'd actually just placed a {{civil0}} template on Ace's talk page, when I saw that there had been previous NPA violations. Accordingly, though these aren't major, I'm keeping you in the loop. FYI: [7] [8]--Elonka 02:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

opinion

sup, just would like to ask your opinion in regard to the article The Punisher: The End. Did the event occured in the current marvel Earth-616 mainstream? pls see the article's history, thanks †Bloodpack† 05:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Does the article really need to exist? It's a one shot, and from the looks of the article... the whole issue is written out in article form. I think it should just be merged into the Punisher article. RobJ1981 06:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Is this spam or advertising of some sort?

I recently noticed this: User:Pro Wrestling Entertainment E-Fed. Appears to be spam and advertising to me. It's a user page, but as of now.. the user has no other edits, and could be using Wikipedia as a place fo spam the e-fed they are doing. RobJ1981 01:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

You know, I wouldn't be too bothered by that if the user had made an edit in addition to that one. Im not really sure where to go with that. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 03:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Uncanny Valley

Your revert on Uncanny Valley was a bit dodgy, and I have left a message as to why there. Additionally, you appear to have used your rollback button. Using it for non-vandalism is frowned upon. I've used it on a revert on occasion as well by accident, but the intention is that it's supposed to be used as a vandal whacker. Those three tags that you and the other user put on Uncanny Valley need to be backed up on talk with explanations. If _you_ would like coaching on the relevant policies, I'd be more than happy to help, but simply reverting my change does not fix the problem. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 15:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

No, you're right. I will leave an edit summary this time. The last time was an accident. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 21:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Uncanny followup

(moved from Talk:Uncanny Valley#Tag Cleanup) I don't need coaching from you. I honestly don't think you know what you're talking about here. I'm sure your very good at some things, but this conversation does not appear to be one of them. As I said, when I have more time, I will come back and show you how your article should be changed. Finally, what we're talking about has nothing to do with being an administrator, so you can drop the status games.--Chris Griswold (☎☓) 18:40, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

With respect, we're going to have to agree to disagree. Your hostility is inappropriate, and the fact that you're doing it as an administrator is doubly so. There is no 'status game' going on here, but you're demonstrating a lack of WP:AGF and poor WP:CIVIL. Was the community too quick to hand you the mop? I've begun discussing this issue outside of the project with other administrators who feel that your actions have not been in keeping with what is expected of a Wikipedia administrator. You're heading in a bad direction, and we want to help, but you'll need to interact civilly if it's going to work. Suggestion: Calm down, think about things for a moment, then let's talk about how we got into this mess and fix it. The status of Uncanny Valley is really secondary to the spectre of an admin who WP:BITEs, allows the appearance of pushing POV, and doesn't keep things WP:COOL. We're all volunteers here, and we need to work together. We need all the admins we can get, and I'd like to work to keep you from censure, but it takes two to tango. So, what'll it be? - CHAIRBOY (☎) 21:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
What it will be is that I still feel that you are condescending to me, and so I am walking away from this situation. It's not worth my time or energy. I also feel that it is inappropriate to organize outside of Wikipedia. Yes, this is my opinion, but the lack of transparency is disappointing. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 21:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Two more things: 1. I apologize. I took a stronger tone in the conversation than I meant to. This is part of why I am almost successfully taking a break from Wikipedia. 2. The mentions of off-site discussions and censure come across to me as gossip and threats. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 22:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
There's nothing threatening intended by any of this, and the conversation took place on #wikipedia-en-admins on freenode, where most off-wiki administrative conversations take place. See WP:IRC for server details, I'm surprised nobody told you about it yet. Nothing on #wikipedia-en-admins is directly binding, but that's where most of us go to get sanity checks and gauge consensus on sensitive issues (like this) before going official. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 22:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
The fact of the matter is that I am going through major burnout right now, and I am sorry that this became anything at all. I am really trying to just take some time away right now so that I can recharge and recommit myself to the project, as well as take care of some things going on in my actual life. I was already close to hitting the wall when I became an admin; I thought the new tasks would be refreshing. Instead, it took me away from the sort of things I actually liked to do, Editing articles and organizing the encyclopedia, and I became too focused on fighting vandals, which appears to have made AGF difficult for me. Thus, I am taking this break and I will try not to even look at the site for the next week or so. I do believe you have good intentions; I just feel I am too far gone right now for much other than a break to help. I appreciate the time you have taken in dealing with this. I really don't like conflict, and the e-mails I have been getting from editors who do not appreciate warnings or blocks that I only instituted after carefully reading applicable policies have just kind of overwhelmed me. I just need to take some time, clear my watchlist (Check out my village pump proposal for a temporary watchlist feature), come back, and find a new focus. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 00:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Question concerning CovenantD

You probably don't remember, but when my user number was 71.115.210.70, we had a discussion on CovenantD on his methods of editing articles and such. I'm talking to you about it cause you've always struck me as the most civil of the two, and I hope by understanding his action that I'll have little to no problems with him in the future.

What I'm going to do is type a list of the problems that I see, in a calm rational manner, So please, Respond to everything I'm typing here so I can be sure you understand my comments.

  • Now first of all you justified his actions by the following:
    • I've noticed in the past that CovenantD is one of several editors who puts a great deal of work into the comic-book related entries on Wikipedia, attempting to keep them encyclopedic and remove speculation, original research, and fannish prose. This is extremely constructive toward keeping the comics-related articles at a high-quality, and his work is appreciated. However, this also tends to draw the ire of editors who do not understand that Wikipedia is not a fansite and strives for professional prose style and content. If any of the objections in the above discussion are related to this, I encourage you all to take a deep breath, familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policies, and think carefully about your editing styles.
    • I assure you that neither ConvenatD nor the other editors who may be changing your edits are doing so out of malice or a sense of superiority. Furthermore, you'll find all editors are far more accommodating if you conduct yourselves in a civil and friendly manor, rather than assume bad-faith. ~CS 23:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


Now the problems with your theory: 1. (Furthermore, you'll find all editors are far more accommodating if you conduct yourselves in a civil and friendly manor)

Okay, so why does it seem those who do ask him about his edits in a friendly manner get ignored? When he does answer our questions, he skips certain parts of said question in order to make him self look good. You want civility, you don't twist someone's words for your own benefit.


2. (However, this also tends to draw the ire of editors who do not understand that Wikipedia is not a fansite and strives for professional prose style and content.)

That's because he never COMPROMISES. See, editing someone's contribution because it violates the policy is understandible. But these questions, I definatly want answered above all of the others:

Is there a reason why CovenantD prefers deleting first and foremost?

In all of your time on wikipedia, does CovenantD ever help make someones edit more appropriate? By that I mean things like moving it somewhere else on the article, fixing/adjusting, anything other than deleting?


Now, Chris, if you can answer these questions you'll probably understand the frustration I've had.

This time I hope I was civil. 71.115.231.16 09:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

You were fine. This is a continuing problem? Can you point me to some examples? The problem is, I really like CovenantD, and if he is acting irresponsibly or in an uncivil way, I would like to try to help him find a better way to handle things than to punish him. I am not saying you are wrong: I know there have been issues. I am just tired of conflict, and I just want everyone to be happy and productive members of the site. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

See, that's the problem, whenever he edits it is always deletion as opposed to rewording or moving it to a appropriate location. Can you tell me of occasions where he did fix someones edit without deletion?

If the answer is no, that's what I'm talking about. 71.115.231.16 09:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

No, but then, I don't tend to keep an eye on him. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Which proves my point. When I or another wikipedian attempt to confront him about it in a civil manner, he either ingores us or simply changes the subject back to our article. Here's the recent example I did a few weeks back:

  • I was the person to contribute the Kid Lantern article to the Waly West page. Would it be more appropriate as trivia/note? Sure it's not world shattering info but it's still encyclopedia material. I believe that all info on articles are improtant whether they're big or small.

My Kid Lantern artcile, take a look at it:

Issue 3 of the miniseries Flash & Green Lantern: The Brave And The Bold has Flash, Kid Flash and Green Lantern in pursuit of Mirror Master and Black Hand. In an attempt to steal Flash's speed, it is Kid Flash who loses his powers. To help out, Green Lantern creates a temporary Power Ring for Wally to use, dubbing him Kid Lantern (With a costume, identical to Hal's. Wally's head piece resembles his Kid Flash uniform).

Yes it's minor information, but does it contain the following?:

  • Vandalisim
  • Original Research
  • POV

No it does not.


And I'm not so much upset about the deletion, but your reasoning. In all of your time on wikipedia, do you ever help make someones eidt more appropriate? By that I mean things like moving it somewhere else on the article, fixing/adjusting, anything other than deleting?

Keep in mind, following the rules doesn't mean always having to dump on other wikipedian or using them as stepping stones.

I hope this came off as civil. 71.115.231.16 08:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

  • A single-story plot element should not be given undue weight in any article about a character that has as much history as Wally West does. By your own admission it did not have any lasting effect on his character and it was not a recurring identity; there is nothing that makes it noteworthy enough to have it's own section, especially when more lasting events, such as his time with the Teen Titans, are barely mentioned. At best, and this is stretching it, I could see it as a single sentence in a greatly expanded Kid Flash section. CovenantD 08:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

See, he simply went back to commenting on the article. I understand why he dosn't approve of it, but he used my article to dodge the question about HIS METHODS.

I'm asking you about this, cause you two seem to get along, so I figure that he'll give you a straight answer. 09:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Woa -- okay, the above quoted comments were authored by myself, not Chris Griswold. Allow me to respond, and mention a few related things :
* Might I suggest that you register an account? It allows us to have a discussion like this on your own talk page, to look at edit histories to see which edits were yours, and provides you with more privacy. The number that appears as your name is not assigned by Wikipedia. It is the IP address that identifies your computer on the internet -- which means anyone can track where you are (for instance, I can see right away who your internet provider is, and what state you're in. Someone more network-savy than I could trace more personal information about you). Plus, it has the added bonus of being personable and community-building. Just a suggestion -- I think you'd find it makes editing Wikipedia easier.
* I don't monitor CovenantD's contributions, so I don't know the exact circumstances of your conflicts.
* I think that ConvenantD has been working on being clearer with his edit summeries, and being more communicative.
* I understand that he can sometimes seem aloof or curt in his language, but I'd encourage you to look beyond that. It's the internet, it's not as easy to communicate as it is in real life, and being succinct is a virtue in written word.
* Comic-book related articles on Wikipedia have a large problem with fans who contribute to articles without understanding the difference between an encyclopedia and a fan-site. Many contributors -- not just ConvenantD -- spend a lot of time cleaning up after them. These edits tend to be, although are not limited to: "Trivia"-based content that is not notible enough for inclution, assertions that are not cited, writing about comicbook characters as if they are real people, and attempts to be overly-comprehensive with information that is far too detailed. Maybe ConvenantD hasn't been as good about communicating or explaining problems with edits as -- for instance -- Chris Griswald or Doczilla are, but I think his contributions have been overwhelmingly positive. But, as I'm sure you've noticed, some of the contributions on these pages can be very frustrating.
* I would have deleted -- or at least cut down -- your 'Kid Lantern' contribution as well. Some editors argue that "undue weight" is a form of content that is not NPOV, because it emphasises material that should not be given so much attention. (Great example: check out the music section of the Lady Godiva article -- several editors allow it to accumulate non-notable content, then cull it down every few months.) Although I am not of the opinion that this kind of content is nessicarilly POV, I do agree that "undue weight" is itself a tacky problem. The Kid Lantern stuff is from a single issue of a recent miniseries, and including it in an article may make it look like it's a long-entrenched recurring role. This is the same reason I recently removed the "Batman jr." information from the main Batman article. Yes, it's true. Yes, there's room for it somewhere on Wikipedia, but that doesn't mean it belonged where it had been placed. Now, I would have tried to find a better place for a single sentence about the issue, ConvenantD felt it wasn't worth mentioning at all, (or that you should be the one to try to find a better place for it.) That's just a difference of opinion -- not someone acting out of line.
* It takes time to get used to the swing of things on Wikipedia -- Chris Griswald drove me absolutly nuts when he started contributing here. Now he's an administrator and an advocate for articles to maintain a professional style and voice to them. Although I'm not blaming you for your problems with ConvenantD's methods, I would encourage you to take a look at what his changes are and why he makes them. I don't think he's deleting things willy-nilly, and I actually think he's a good person to learn from, regarding how to keep an article sounding professional.
* I realize that you have a conflict with ConvenantD, but don't confuse that with him acting in bad faith. Sometimes people just rub each other the wrong way and don't get along. That doesn't mean that one of you is in the wrong.
Gee, that was a long reply -- sorry about that. I hope there's something in that jungle that is helpful for you. Have a good weekend, ~CS 23:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I drove you nuts? That's very interesting. What was I doing at the time? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 01:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Back in the day...~CS 02:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh. Right. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 06:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I highly doubt I could learn from him, other than dodging questions. See, whenever I or someone else questions his action in the most civil manner, he dodge the question by wither not answering or giving a vague cryptic response.

If he doesn't want people to judge him, then he has to make an effort himself to communicate more thoroughly. He can't have it both ways.


I know communication is hard, but pretty much anything important will be hard. 71.115.231.16 08:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Franklin, PA

I am just going through and updating redirects from United States President to President of the United States where the article is currently located.

Still appreciated. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Gotham City

Do you have to be so logical?[9] ;) I actually meant to add that myself, and even in the same place, since I figured that's where the quote probably stops. CovenantD 14:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Taylor Allderdice

Chris, could you take a look at the new section added to the Taylor Allderdice High School page on Drug Culture of the 1970s? I don't think it is appropriate, but I would like a more experienced Wikipedian to take a look. I put my comments on the talk page. Thanx. – Paschmitts 18:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Done. I think the section may have to be removed soon. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 13:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanx. Another editor did decide to remove it. – Paschmitts 17:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment

Do you celebrate Thanksgiving? If so: Happy belated Thanksgiving. Maybe that's why you're on a wikibreak..makes sense. RobJ1981 22:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

"no periods" business

"This 'no periods' business is getting bizarre" Actually, the Manual of Style states that, in this instance, there shouldn't be a period:

Complete sentences in captions should always end in a period (or other appropriate punctuation). If the caption is not a complete sentence, it generally should not have a period at the end. - Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Captions

Hope this clears up any confusion. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Part of the problem was that the editor who was doing that was also making a lot of other random edits and reverts, including changing titles from italics to bold and removing in-use fields from infoboxes. Also, WP:CMC/EG's examples disagree with the MOS, and those are what I follow in related articles. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 05:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Simpsons fans go berzerk in Mister Rogers Neighborhood

Useful tag you added there. Maybe someone will pay attention to it. Thanks KP Botany 20:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, well, it's not just Simpsons fans. Family Guy fans are disturbingly prolific with documenting every single reference in the series. I may soon begin to eliminate the truly miniscuel Family Guy references from articles. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 05:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

ALERT: VIRUS ON WIKIPEDIA.

Dear Mr. Chris Griswold (ChrisGriswold),

You said that I could contact you if I had something to ask or talk about. Well, I was recently on the “Christina Aguilera” Wikipedia page looking her up, and then I went onto the pages about her singles’ and then her albums.

One of the pictures, either on her main page, on her singles, or her albums’ pages, is infected with a virus. I believe it’s the “Dirrty” or “Stripped,” although it could be one of the others. My virus checker certainly picked up a virus from one of those pages.

This is extremely important. I thought that it would be a wise idea to immediately alert you about this. Viruses are no more welcome on Wikipedia than vandals.

I know you’re on a Wikibreak, but you’ve been talking on your Talk Page. You’re the first administrator I could think of, and the only one who has left a comment on my Talk Page. This is an urgent issue. I am not fooling around: my virus checker did pick up something from the Christina Aguilera sites (the main one, singles, or albums.)

I hope that this is sorted out quickly, before other people get the virus. Acalamari 19:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I am referring this to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). Thanks. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 19:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


More About The Possible Virus

Sir, I hope that Christina Aguilera's main page, singles, and albums will ALL be checked. Not only that, but I hope that the entire pages, as well the pictures, will be checked. How could a virus have reached Wikipedia anyway? I don't know how it could have been added. As I said, I'm not fooling around. I had to spend a while searching my computer for viruses. Acalamari 19:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Naming conventions

i know everyone is changing names from Barry Allen to Flash (Barry Allen), but no one is fixing the redirects. Is there some sort of bot that can do it automatically? --Exvicious 15:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

None that I know of. We will have to take care of this ourselves. I have not been following that partidular discussion closely. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 20:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

No Man's Land (Comics) deleted reading list

Why did you choose to delete the list of reading order from the "No Man's Land (Comics)" entry? I was actually following that list to buy my backissues, and found it very useful.

Sorry to answer for Chris, but I believe it is because reading lists are seen as POV, one person's (the editor's) opinion on how comics should be read. If you want it, you can check the history, but it shouldn't be in the article. --PsyphicsΨΦ 20:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
The consensus at WikiProject Comics is that such lists are inappropriate for Wikipedia articles. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 20:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Requesting Protection On Amanda Michalka Page And Two Others.

Mr. ChrisGriswold,

It seems I have another problem (not a virus). Anyway, another User and I are requesting protection of the Amanda Michalka article. In the past few days, User:Rosepuff12, and I have been continually removing vandalism from this page. We have also been removing vandalism from the Alyson Michalka and the Aly & AJ pages, and I think that these two also need protection. Unregistered Users keep adding things that we continually have to remove. Can it be protected, or hasn’t it had enough vandalism for it to be protected yet. If you check the history of these pages you’ll see that we have indeed been removing vandalism. Acalamari 20:26, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, this just looks like the work of an excited teenage girl. Take a moment and explain to the editor why what she is adding is not right. Additionally, although the edits are sloppy, I'm not entirely sure that all of the information added is inappropriate; it just needs to be cited. Try to work with the editor to make it fit. I have never heard of these actresses before, so I don't know how important the one's dating Joe somethingorother is, but I get the feeling that, if properly cited, it would be appropriate for the articles. Minus the cutesy YM-speak, of course. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 20:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I never created any of those pages, and nearly all of the information there wasn't written by me. All I've done is remove vandalism and correct grammar and spelling errors, as has User:Rosepuff12 I don't know who the other editors are; as most of them Unregistered Users. Which editor did you suggest I should work with? Also, what is "YM" speak? Acalamari 21:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Not everything you have removed is vandalism. In fact, a lot of what I am seeing are the removals of information added by an editor who doesn't quite know what she's doing but is trying to add relevent information. How you work with other editors is you talk about the changes or your concerns about the article on its discussion page. That's how you get to know other people here. Additionally, every user has his or her own talk page with which to contact them. It's always better to work with an editor than to undue all of their work completely. Additionally, even if what you were removing actually were vandalism, there's not enough to warrant protection. Oh, and YM is an American teen magazine; sorry about the reference. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 03:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I understand. I been talking to the Registered Users, but it's the Unregistered ones that are the problem. What do I do about them? Also, not everyone (especially Unregistered Users) posts on the Talk Pages. What do I do then? (I hope I'm not sounding irritating; after all, I am still a "newbie" here and am still learning more about the "Wikipedian Mechanics.")Acalamari 03:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Still post on their user talk pages. Unregistered users have them too. You may have to click on a redlink to create their user page, but if they come on Wikipedia again using that IP, they will see it. And do raise those concerns on the articles' talk pages. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 03:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: X-Men

It is of my opinion the article is above B-class. Besides, you can't rank it to GA or FA without a ballot. Wiki-newbie 19:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, cool. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 19:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Village pump

What happened in this edit? User:Zoe|(talk) 21:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow. Have no idea. Have fixed it. Thanks. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 21:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Strange things happen sometimes. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Curious

I check recent changes, newbie contribs and new pages daily. I patrol for vandals, and read some of the articles out of boredom as well. Sometimes I go through people's contribs and help out articles they've worked on also. RobJ1981 05:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Spider-Man Vandalism

That wasn't directed towards you. I was talking about an IP who vandalized the page! :0P --D.F. "Jun Kazama Master" Williams 15:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I know. To whom did you report the user? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 15:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
WP:AIV. He/she has been blocked by the blocking admin. If you check the IP's Talkpage, look to see if he/she has a final warning. If he/she vandalizes the page again past the final warning, you should report them there telling what they did so that administrators can take affirmative action against them as necessary. --D.F. "Jun Kazama Master" Williams 15:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
True. Or I could block him myself, which incidentally, I tried to do, but it appears another admin got there first. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 15:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Peer review

A request for a peer review of New Universe has been made at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Peer review/New Universe. I'd appreciate your comments on the article, hopefully it will kickstart the comics project's peer review process. To comment, please add a new section (using ==== [[User:Your name|Your name]] ====) for your comments, in order to keep multiple responses legible. Steve block Talk 22:14, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikibreak?

Would be nice not to run articles up to AfD just before going on a wikibreak---- or are you back?Garrie 05:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)