Talk:Chronogram

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[edit] Why there's no point adding Category:Latin language

I see no point in adding Category:Latin language to this article. Chronograms can be rendered in any language written in Roman script, but nobody would (I hope) suggest adding a category to this article for every Roman-script language. -- ChrisO 11:14, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I see every point in adding cat: Latin language to the article as it involves Roman numerals and clearly derives from classical civilisation. Cat: Ancient Rome does not seem as helpful as Latin language for people looking for related articles. Use of Roman numerals/Latin letters seems entirely pertinent to categorisation in Latin language. Where's the harm? Man vyi 12:01, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)

Roman numerals aren't part of the Latin language any more than Arabic numerals are part of English. Even the Roman numerals article doesn't have a Category:Latin language tag, which does rather undermine your argument. Category:Numeration would be more appropriate. -- ChrisO 13:24, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

But unless I've misunderstood the text of the article, the form originated in the dual use in Latin of letters/numerals as a form of wordplay - hence rooted in Latin literature.

Definitely a good idea, though, with cat:Numeration - this is such an interesting little article with apects of all sorts of things, it should get better known! Man vyi 18:43, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] What about chronograms in other numeration systems?

Chronograms are quite commonly used on the title pages of Hebrew books, and I would imagine that other numeration systems that use alphabetic characters (such as Greek) use them as well. Shouldn't this article be generalized to include those, and perhaps have the "Latin language" category removed? Or should this page be converted to a category page, with links to pages describing chronograms in various numeration systems?

Proposal: move this page to "Chronogram (Roman numerals)." Aheppenh 23:43, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Oppose move. This article should be expanded and editted to encompasses those other systems of chronographs rather than giving each its own page. Dragons flight 23:47, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

One problem I see with this is that then the Category:Latin language tag becomes meaningless, or would have to be joined by half a dozen other "Language" tags, which amounts to the same thing. - Aheppenh 00:44, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

I see no problem removing the tag if this article was to be written about chronograms from the perspective of multiple languages. Dragons flight 03:31, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough. Move request withdrawn. Aheppenh 23:37, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] bidi markup

I'm still not happy with this, but it seems there is no other safe way to mix numbers, punctuation, hebrew, and english. Previously there were such gems as these (hebrew replaced with #s)

logical	visual
###### =) ###, "the major era")	### (= ######, "the major era")
[###### = 391; together 471]	[391 = ######; together 471]

No use of <span dir=...> or {{lang}} was able to fix these. Keep this in mind when editing or adding to these examples --Random832 13:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Note. For those examples the markup is now:

{{lang|he|###}} ({LRE}= {{lang|he|{RLE}######{PDF}}}, "the major era"{PDF})

[{LRE}{{lang|he|{RLE}######{PDF}}} = 391; together 471{PDF}]