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[edit] An Xbox 360 Exclusive

Chromehounds is an Xbox 360 exclusive. Any statements claiming that it is also to be released for the Nintendo Revolution are erroneous. Page edited to reflect this.

[edit] influence?

I dont know about robotech being an influence. isnt the game being made by the armored core team? so then it would be influenced by armored core, which it looks very similar to. I just dont see the robotech universe being an influence.Tik 15:36, 19 November 2005 (UTC)


well, gun-arm mecha first got popular from Macross, that could be what influence is implied. But I figure this is more FromSoftware's game to get into the American market and challenge Mechwarrior.

[edit] Page update

I have updated the wiki page i have cleaned it up and put a section on the types of mechs that are in the game, put the europian release date and added info on the garage mode. Can you guys help me expand this? --Paul 16:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I have updated the responce part --Paul 16:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I have added more content to the mech bio's --Paul 16:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC) I changed the "Chromehounds Cheats" link to reflect the original owner (originally pointed to cheatcc.com, content that was linked to is property of gamefaqs.com)--Ogrex 18:03, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I tweaked the country descriptions and added descriptions of each type of part. Some of the names may be slightly wrong so I'll check them on the game when I get a chance. I'll add a description of exactly how parts and joints work too.--128.154.44.44 20:12, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Added to Neroimus War and lottery. Still need to put more about the garage.--Soban 16:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah the garage needs more- The most unique part of this game is the mech building system- there arent any other games I can think of where you have so much control of the overall shape of the vehicle. (although if you know of any, tell me cause it can be a comparison in the article... and I want to play it too) I'm not quite sure how to describe it though.. all my first attempts at it don't make it sound any different than a game like mechwarrior. 198.74.36.80 (talk) 19:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


Holy crap I must have been tired that day. Big thanks to everyone who had to fix my mistakes...--Soban 13:14, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Can someone post more info about the specifics of online play such as how the points for rank and possesion of territory are calculated (computer opponents vs. human opponents)? I have been having trouble finding information on this. It seemed like the game instructions were pretty much "go out there and blow some stuff up, and we will let you know when you do the right thing". Paraballs0311 00:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] War winners

If there is an infinite number of wars, must the winners of each war be listed? Seems kind of redundant to update. Maybe perhaps the winner of the most recent war was: soandso

I agree. Not only that, there is no verifiable source given for this information. Unless reliable sources are provided soon, I will remove that section. Thanks, Gwernol 20:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number of players on XBL

I changed it from 2-20 to 1-12. 1 because you can go online and play against a bot. 20 was incorrect because that is only the largest amount of people that can be in one squad, and hence in one lobby. The largest amount that can actually participate in a match is 12 (6v6).--Soban 16:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Freezing

While it is true that there is a 5 page thread on freezing, consider the following: at 25 posts per page, that's only at most 125 people. Also, a simple google search on xbox 360 freezing will yield just as many complaints from other games like Oblivion, GRAW, and so on. Furthermore, even though the section includes both sides of the issue, someone who comes to wikipedia looking for facts about this game isn't going to 'see both sides of the issue'. He's going to see that chromehounds is evil and ruins his xbox, which is obviously not true. If you really want to keep this section, perhaps you could try relocating it to the main Xbox 360 page and mention that it has happened in every game, not just Chromehounds.--Soban 14:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The issues is, I have been on the Xbox 360 since nearly launch. I have bought Oblivon and GRAW on release days (helps working in gaming industry) and I have never, NEVER had issues with Oblivon, GRAW or any other game than Chromehounds. I went through 2 systems and 4 copies of the game, so it was not a 360 issue, but a game issue, and the game continues to have issues with freezes, servers, squad rooms failing. It is our duty if we are going to post ANYTHING abpout this game, thn we must post ALL, rather than make it one-sided. Logan074 01:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Just because you have had problems with this game doesn't mean that it is the problem. If you had a Pentium 4 computer that failed while running Prime95, would you say that it is Prime95's fault? Of course not. It's because the system had insufficient cooling. Prime95 only exposed a problem that already exists in the hardware. Likewise, the Xbox 360 has been acknowledged to have problem with heat, and you stated that you live in a hot area. Chromehounds isn't even the worst offender. Any Xbox 360 game can freeze. All I'm asking is that you move your complaints to the main Xbox 360 article because they are obviously not unique to Chromehounds.--Soban 13:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

If others have the same issues on GRAW or other games, then they should post them on those pages. This is a free content website, or is it run by only a select few who decide what content stays? As long as I have not violated any rules ( and I have not to my knowledge) and I openly gave both sides, the content should stay, because there might be people that want to be made aware of this potential issue. Thank you Logan074 18:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

OK. I tried polite suggestions, but now you want to bring the rules into it. First up, it violates Wikipedia:NPOV. Putting a single opposing sentence at the end of a paragraph does not make it neutral. Also, freezing/overheating is an acknowledged issue with the system. Insisting on blaming it on this game is PoV and misleading. It is an isue that can and has occurred on any game for the system and as such should be listed on the system page. Second, Wikipedia:Reliable_Sources. All of your citations are based on forums. Finally, the same information should not be posted on every 360 game that has ever frozen for several reasons. First, the problem has been acknowledged to be in the hardware, and only a few cases are actually proven to be caused by software(and none of them in Chromehounds). Secondly, although there is no strict rule against it, there is no point in having redundant information spread across every 360 game(see [meatball:LessRedundancy]). Finally, it's simply not sensible no matter how you look at it. Should there be a warning on every single computer program stating that said your computer might freeze while running it? I'm not asking that you remove your complaint or denying that the 360 has a problem. I am saying that the problem is not just with Chromehounds and as such it should not be on the Chromehounds page. It should be on the main xbox 360 page.--Soban 00:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

In defense of both Logan074 and the section in question, in regards to the PoV, I had told Logan that I would add reference to it possibly being caused by overheating and other hardware issues, I had not done this yet. I'm going to see if I can help Logan out here and try to find a reliable source for the subject at hand, if I find one I see no reason that a similar section, with appropriate adjustments to make it NPOV, cannot be added. Wildnox 00:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

no soban, I feel you just want a one sided positive view of the game is all, and while people have complained of problems, lets just hide that fact is what I am reading into this. People have the right to know that there may be some issues, and not everyone when searching for this game will go hunt down the 360 page just to read that chromehounds may be having issues. By you very own standards, most if not all of the critical response section needs to be removed then. Most of the responses have NOT been positive (it is more like 50-50, and there have more than a "few" complaints. So if you are going to edit my section, you need to do a complete job of it, as the citation needed marker suggest. Logan074 01:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Of course people have the right to know about problems with a game. But Wikipedia is not the place to tell them of unfounded claims with only a handful of forum posts to back it up (and out of the nearly 200,000 players, 125 forum users is certainly a minority). And following your suggestion, the offending sentence in the Critical Response section has been removed. Wildnox, if you can locate reliable sources then I would have no problem restoring the section.--Soban 02:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Does this freeze being report in online gaming websites consitute a reliable source? Game informer online? Gamespot? As they are reporting on the issues, and both are well known and considered professional, does this count as a releiable source. Now understand, I am not just here bashing the game because I play this game hours daily. I am one who feels people should know the whole truth about games, good and bad. And you feel it is only 125 people. That might be on one forum, the list is on two, and remember, odds are only 25% will post on a techincal forum. How many more are in the ones not posting?? http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200607/N06.0719.1944.38812.htm

http://www.passthepress.com/?p=650

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/07/18/does-chromehounds-have-the-mlb-2k6-disease/

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/chromehounds-good-news-and-bad-news-188111.php

http://xbox360.qj.net/Chromehounds-Gives-a-360-the-Ring-of-Death/pg/49/aid/60299 Logan074 02:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Well I guess I can wait a while to search for sources now since there is a handful already. Wildnox 03:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Blogs and dubious news sources which only refer to forum posts are not reliable sources either. A known technical website which can prove a causal link between Chromehounds and the Xbox 360 freezing/crashing/breaking or Sega/FROM/MS admitting there are freezing problems(as happened with certain EA Sports games) would be a reliable source. I myself have had my Xbox freeze while playing Chromehounds. My friends list froze over top of the game. The game was still running perfectly fine in the background. The problem here is Microsoft. The 360 is just as reliable as Windows 95.--Soban 12:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I would not call Game Informer a blog or "dubious" news source, considering it is considered the number 1 gaming information magazine out there. And it is foolish to say it is only the 360, when the amounts of people having problems after numerous exchanges of systems continue with this one game. I will take this issues up with administration and seek their opinion in this matter Logan074 14:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

He does have a point though, those sources are all somewhat unreliable. Game informer by far is the most reliable source and all it does is refer to the forum posts. The next 3 are all blogs, which generally are not considered reliable sources. The final one appears to be user submitted news, that uses a rating system to push the stories up or down, therefore it might as well be a blog. Wildnox 16:59, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

IF you look at it that way, each person's entry on any article is truly unreliable. The ranks listed for chromehounds are just a websites personal polls regarding the games, and as such unreliable. We had gamespot at one time as well, also claimed unreliable. So due to all this I went and sought a wikipedia advocate to look into this issue on a persoanl note Logan074 17:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean by "The ranks listed for chromehounds are just a websites personal polls regarding the games"? The gamespot article would fall under the same qualification as the game informer article, as they are essentially the same. Wildnox 18:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh and thank you for bringing in an advocate, I don't know much about advocates on wikipedia, but an outside assistance, one way or the other, would be helpful. Wildnox 18:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

All game rankings are just the personal opinions of the author or the article and normally another writer to give a "second opinion". They then take the average of the ranksings and that creates the ranks of the game. Because people buy/read more issues of Game Informer than read, say "Billy Bob's Gaming and fishing guide". Game Informer is considered a authentic ranking. But all ranks are really just the site/magazine's opinion of a game and as such, an opinion and not reliable source Logan074 18:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

According to wikipedia, reviews and rankings for games, music, and movies are notable as reviews and are allowed, we know who is reviewing them as they are major critical entities. This is different then forum and blogs postings which are, with a few notable exceptions, mostly anonymous, unreliable, and not notable. Wildnox 18:42, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

If a magazine or their websites makes reference to the forums and the complaints there, does that bring credence to the forums and the issues? If so, then we have reliable sources as Game Informer Online reference the OFFICIAL Sega Chromehounds Technical forum regarding their article on the freezes. If Sega didn't take the freezes into account, then they would have removed the posts as libel. Just the fact that what could be extremely damaging posts remain about freezes, and that the official Sega webmaster actually put up a poll regarding the freezes, must bring some authenticity into this matter. Logan074 19:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

The stories you placed as sources say little except that there was a problem mentioned on the forum and Sega did not comment on the problem. I don't mind them all that much myself, but if they are the only reliable sources and used as the primary source I don't see them as enough.
It makes no difference whether or not the forum being reference is "OFFICIAL".
"If Sega didn't take the freezes into account, then they would have removed the posts as libel." This statement seems a little strange to me. You remember I want to find a way to include this in the article, and that my only problem is with the sources, right? You don't have to prove the issue to me, you have to find better sources.
Whether or not the problem is authentic does not make the current sources valid as reliable Sources.
The topic with the poll has since been removed from the forum, that would be slightly better than the other post since it is made by an admin, who would represent sega.
The way you sourced the -999,999,999 glitch is slightly better, do you have any additional references for the glitch?
Also the original point, that I made way back before this current conversation stands, usually wikipedia does not list glitches and crashes in games, many other games experience their own issues, some worse than this, but have little or nothing mentioned in their articles. I'd prefer to include this as of now, if either of us can find better sources, but that point still sticks in my mind a little. Wildnox 19:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Even with the glitch issue, I strongly feel that major issues should be added here. Many people use Wikipedia as their sole source for researching a subject, and not including all information is only telling half the story. The removal of the freeze poll is very recent, I believe I just saw it there last night. Guess they read wikipedia and don't want it added as a reliable source to hide the issues lol Logan074 19:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

"Many people use Wikipedia as their sole source for researching a subject", sadly wikipedia attempts to prevent this but usually fails. Also it might not be for awhile, but if the issue shows up on segas support site instead of just the forums, that would supply at least one reliable source, at least I don't see why it wouldn't be one(I added a similar page on their support site as a source in -999,999,999 glitch ). Also I think that the removal was just because the poll was outdated, it appeared to just be an attempt by sega to find the issue, or if there really is one; as stated earlier in alot of places, they are having trouble replicating the problem themselves. Also is there a way we could possible just state that the game has had many technical issues, both serious and minor, and point people reading the article to segas support site and possibly the support forums? Wildnox 19:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I actually had the same source page, I just posted the direct link with the schedule rather than make people redirect to the link lol. Figured if it had Sega offical schedule, that would have been reliable enough. We both got the same thing, just one a little longer route than the other. Thank you Logan074 20:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I am re-adding the freeze section to the article, as there has been an official announment on the sega techinical forums regarding acknowledging the freezes. This is from supadjxis Site Admin of the official Sega Chromehounds forums, in regards to posts about the freezes:

Consider this as an official acknowledgement of the issue. We have posted numerous such acknowledgements on the forums that many (yourself included) have not bothered to read. You, of course, have every right to post, but please don't accuse us with not being responsive. I've also posted an announcement stating this acknowledgement that a small percentage of users are experiencing this issue. That said, we are concerned that there are users who are having these problems. We are still actively looking into it and will report as soon as we have more information. It's conceivable that the forthcoming patch may also help some users, but, in any case, we are investigating the matter further. Thanks for your continued patience and understanding.

http://boards.sega.com/chromehounds/viewtopic.php?p=33792#33792

Official statement http://boards.sega.com/chromehounds/viewtopic.php?t=3613

In the section, I will mention (or let Wildnox reword it) the mention of freezes. Logan074 17:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I reworded it to remove some redundant/useless statements and make it NPOV.Soban 19:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

It looks ok to me as of now, I'm going to try to find sources for the part about it being a problem with older 360s. I'm pretty sure that it's true, I just would like to keep the pattern of citation going. Too bad I'm no good at finding sources. Wildnox 19:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

The post by supadjxis mentions it, but I agree it would be better to have a specific citation.Soban 19:59, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually a line you added Soban needs to be removed, as many on the list of names do mention that it is both older and newer Xbox 360 systems freezing. My second xbox is a newer system and it freezes still, as do many on the list of players. So I believe that the line "Secondly, newer Xbox 360s do not have this problem" needs to be removed. Also no where in supadjxis' official statement does it mention this is older systems only. Thank you 216.96.23.167 20:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it doesn't need to be removed but reworded, as the fequency of the freezes/crashes/system problems has been said to be more frequent/more severe on the older systems than the newer systems. I myself have have a newer system, and I experience very few freezes in Chromehound, and 100% of them have been solved with a reset. Wildnox 20:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I am satisfied with wildnox's rewording. The article just doesn't need to tell people it is first gen systems only when it is not. A good portion of people on both the xbox and sega forums stated their systems are March/April or after ctreations, and have the newer CD drives installed. Logan074 20:35, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Looks good to me.Soban 01:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alternate Role Types

I created that because of several experiments I had tried with the HOUNDS. My most successful one was the Assassin because it could get through the final level of the single-player game in a breeze. My least successful one was the mobile COMBAS. This was due to that even with the radar on top of the model, the range didnt get extended enough to make any difference. It could take a hit or two, also. Its primary weapons were machine guns and fared well on tanks. Another problem I faced was that alot of energy was consumed, even with the fuel tank attached. I also began working on a variant of the Guardian called the Marytr. It would have missiles, but I abandoned the project because the missles had too low ammunition and the primary weapon was unlockable after completing the final mission 100%. My username is Eiyuu Kou, but where I live, we dont get any highspeed internet services. Dont expect to see me play Chromehounds online unless I get lucky. Anybody can make an Alternate Role Type, but it has to have enough balance to be called a RT of its own. It also has to work and have a history for itself. If you request, I can make the full history of the Assassin in it's bio. Discuss here. ~~Eiyuu Kou~~ (After making this Talk, I created an account on Wikipedia because of other edits I have done)

Isn't this Original Research and therefore violates wikipedia policy? --Wildnox 22:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Indeed it does. You really should find some way to get online. It's infinitely better than single player.Soban 23:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Especialy scince there is alot more... Sniff... --Eiyuu Kou 00:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Feb. 6 NEW PATCH

http://boards2.sega.com/chromehounds_board/viewtopic.php?t=7832

Sink or swim? <("<) <(")> (>")> 05:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Sink... check out the forums... time to try GRAW2... --71.70.170.138 03:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Addition to HOUND trends section

Nothing much, just a new trend thats become common recently.

for the heatseakers add a part about counter missiles they totally disorient the rockets


(a third method is to equip missile counters on your hound pointing to the left or right. This will effectively render heatsekers usless untill the missile counter runs out of ammo because the missiles will chase the flack that the counters produce.)

i have added this