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[edit] Renaming
I redirected Feminist Christianity because in all my research on the subject, I have never heard the term "Feminist Christianity." Probably because it implies that there are multiple Christianities, which doens't make any sense.
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- On the contrary, most academics no longer speak of "Christianity," but prefer the "Christian tradition" for precisely this reason-- that there are multiple Christianities, from different eras and different geographical expressions of Christianity.
[edit] NPOV
This article has no perspective. Christians don't tend to interpret verses as good as bad. Christian feminists (at least the limited amoung I have seen) take a reading (like Islamic feminists) of the whole text and don't isolate verses and argue that the verses must be understood in context. There are not problematic verses. Some people find verses to be problematic and they cite them... skeptics annotated Bible or whatnot... but, you have to source who finds them to be problematic because there is no inherent problem in any verse because we cannot assume that any of these things are inherently bad. gren グレン 05:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I myself am ugly and I introduced the wording "problematic." "Problematic" passages that appear to contradict one's view. The verses are not bad in the general sense you mean, only bad in that they support non-feminists views. Conversley, the supportive passages would be problematic to someone opposing feminist views. Here are two quotes by other Christian feminists writing for a feminist org which are quite common, in my experience:
- I began to dig into the problematic texts from Genesis 3:16 to 1 Timothy 2:11-15 [1]
- Nevertheless, instead of trying to reconcile these few problematic passages [1 Timothy 2:11-12 and 1 Corinthians 14:34-36] with the plain teaching of the rest of the Bible[2]
Since feminists would unlikely be biased against ourselves, I'm removing the NPOV tag. --Ephilei 20:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
It might be helpful to explain why the passages are listed, perhaps by explaining how they have frequently been misapplied (whoops am I betraying my bias?) before giving the Christian feminist interpretation of each (which is all that can be seen here in most cases). Demmeis 05:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
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- I've restored the NPOV tag, as the article is clearly one-sided. As the article stands now, it's essentially a list of verses which feminists believe state women are inferior to men, with not much support for any interpretations of them, whether the feminist interpretations or more traditional interpretations. It also contains nothing to back up that "the church taught X" (which likely means the Catholic Church, in which case you need to point to specific papal documents); in the case of Protestants, the writings of Luther or Calvin or other founders or highly-regarded ministers in those denominations. PaulGS 02:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Possible merge with Christian views of women
There is considerable duplication between this article and Christian views of women. With the term Christian egalitarianism gaining more positive acceptance, particularly in the Christian community, than a phrase containing "feminism," I propose a merger of this article into the Christian views of women article. Comments please. CME GBM 23:15, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Recommend merge with Christian views about women
The word "feminism" has negative connotations for so many moderate to conservative Christians. They reject the feminist views strictly on the basis of that classification, and really don't know what are the beliefs and why.
Christians for Biblical Equality organization and others are promoting the term Christian Egalitarianism, the tenets of which are dealt with in Christian views about women.
There is much duplication between Christian feminism and Christian views about women.
Please provide your comments and votes on this page by April 10, 2007.
Thanks. CME GBM 06:40, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] No to merge
This page should not be about "Christian view on women," rather this article should be about feminist theology, feminist responses to (patriarchal) Christian theology, feminist presence in the Christian tradition, and feminists perspectives of women in the Christian tradition.--Justine4all 22:28, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
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- Christian Feminist articles and books --Justine4all 22:57, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
This looks like an advertisment for a feminist web site. is advertising allowed on talk pages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.132.95.79 (talk) 12:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
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- It is not advertising, it is Justine4all's good faith effort to show texts that deal with "feminist theology"--Cailil talk 19:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] from the beginings of the early church....
Who ever wrote this paragraph under the heading history has themselves established that Christ and the apostles held this point of view. But now, feminists want to contend with what Christ and the apostles had established. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.132.95.79 (talk) 15:12, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] An historically male dominated ministry
An historically male dominated ministry in the church has always been the cutting of the church lawn and very few women have ever been able to gain a foot hold in this ministry. It is time sisters to demand the keys to the lawn tractor and show the men how good a job you could do if they would only allow it. Your God given rights and gifts according to the scriptures where there is neither male or female has been denied long enough !....--A B Pepper 03:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Plato was not a feminist.
Plato views on women were 'far more egalitarian' than Aristotle's 'discriminatory' view only because sex was entirely irrelevant for Plato: a soul is a soul and it makes no difference whether it is housed in a male or female body. If Aristotle's language is less palatable today then that is only because he was concerned with real people and in addressing that concern his views reflected his time. But Aristotle's concerns are much closer to feminism as an historical movement than are the concerns of Plato. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.90.96.17 (talk) 05:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Content Blues
"Others, such as Margaret Fell and Sojourner Truth, were women." Other than letting us now that those historic women were, in fact, women, what thought was the author trying to convey in this sentence? I hope you guys can get this page up to par, because it is an interesting topic. There is a lot more work to be done. If I get to feeling better, I might jump in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.205.243.58 (talk) 13:49, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] original research tag
I added {{originalresearch}} to the bible section as there are no sources explaining what scholars find the biblical passages "problematic" and "supportive". Unless this categorization and list of passages can be sourced to mainstream scholarship about Christian feminism the section will have to go--Cailil talk 17:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
