Talk:Christian countercult movement

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It seems to me that since these groups are so controversial why not include a section on this topic? It was done in the Jehovah's witnesses article.

I will post a link to CESNUR and "Ontario Consultants for Religious Tolerance" which are religious tolerance websites that have been vilified by some of these "anti-cult" groups, although they appear to be academically sound organizations.

http://www.cesnur.org/

http://www.religioustolerance.org/

that last link is quite good.

I agree that these groups are controversial and yet I do not see any section on the criticism of these groups. I am tagging this article {npov} --Saint-Paddy 00:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 NPOV template? 2 Discernment Ministries redirect 3 Removed sentence 4 Moved from Anti-cult movement because off-topic there please merge here 5 Cult template

[edit] NPOV template?

I confess that I cannot understand the justification for the disputed NPOV template on the article from this talk page, so I have removed it. If someone can clarify what the purported problem is, that would be helpful. nae'blis _(talk) 17:40, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discernment Ministries redirect

Should Discernment Ministries redirect here? Right now it's going to Christian theological controversy - which I can't understand well enough to figure out what's up or down... CDC (talk) 22:44, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Hilarious that any Christian feels that they are in a position to label any other religion a cult. Christianity is the worlds biggest cult movement.

[edit] Removed sentence

I removed the following:

Instead, by combining insights from missions theory, a cross-cultural approach to dialogue, proclamation and conversion is applied in outreach.

It's fluff and it's advertising, and it's certainly not NPOV. -67.182.236.190 02:47, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moved from Anti-cult movement because off-topic there please merge here

I moved this from anti-cult movement because it was off-topic there. Please merge with this article.

"Their activities and orientation vary: some are missionary and apologetically oriented, directed at current members of divergent groups, some are therapeutically oriented, directed mainly at former members of divergent groups, and others educally [sic-?] oriented, directed at members of their own denomination or at the general public. Counter cult ministries concern themselves mainly religious groups which regard themselves as Christian but hold one or more unorthodox beliefs, including The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Unification church, Christian Science, and Jehovah's Witnesses, although some also target newer and older non-Christian groups, such as Wicca, Neopagan groups, New Age groups, Buddhism, Hinduism and other Eastern religions.

An American umbrella group the Evangelical Ministries to New Religions (EMNR) was formed as a professional association for individuals and ministries addressing "cults" of Christianity, new religious movements, and world religions."

Andries 16:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cult template

Should the template be used here? - since the definition of "cult" by the Christian counter cult movement is different from the mainstream definition... Sfacets 04:09, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it should be. This is yet another way of viewpoint on cults. The point of categories and templates is to allow readers to navigate between related articles. This article is certainly related to the overall issue of cults. -Will Beback · † · 10:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah alright, put that way, it makes sense. Sfacets 11:58, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Would it be fair to say that the movement (or at least some branches of it) uses the word “cult” rather euphemistically and as a propaganda tool? That their use of the term is a way of spinning what they are doing, and by their using words like “cult members” instead heretics they can achieve, with one swoop, both the painting of those other religious movements as wacky and dangerous while simultaneously keeping themselves from looking like throwbacks to the inquisition?

So in this sense, you could say it isn't about “cults” at all or how these people “define” a cult. “Cult” is just a code word and a smoke screen for going after heretics. 75.70.79.27 03:59, 4 September 2007 (UTC)