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This is a good page, as Chris Kacher certainly deserves recognition as an investment all-star, and i had no idea about his forays into discovering elements... impressive! But Gil Morales who worked closely with Chris Kacher and William O'Neil should also have a page even though Kacher's returns were mind-bogglingly higher, clearly besting the returns of prior O'Neil disciplines such as David Ryan.

Morales also worked on a book on shorting stocks with O'Neil.

[edit] Problems with article.

1) A lot of this article is advertizing for the commercial TradingMarkets.com

2) I think two different Kachners are being confused. If they really are the same person that needs to be sourced - nothing in the article links the two people.

So I'm going to tidy up on that basis and see whats left. Pleclech 16:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

ITs the same person[1]. The book interview states it so. Dr Kacher states that he finished BS degree in Chemistry from Berkeley and also the PHd program in nuclear chemistry. Here is a list of some of his works published by him[2]
It MAY be the same person but I don't have access to the book and nothing that I can find online links the two people. The Amazon link doesn't work for me - the nuclear chemistry Kacher has a long publication list but it's so long that I find it surprizing that he could have a business career as well. If you can post a working link or something else to verify they are the same person I'll be happy to revert the article. Pleclech 14:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Marder, Kevin N (September 15, 2000)). The Best: TradingMarkets.com Conversations With Top Traders. Gil Morales and Dr Christian Kacher, The Disciples: M. Gordon Pub. Group, page 5. ISBN 1893756084. 
Trade2tradewell 17:45, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
OK, thanks for that - quite a career the guy's had!. I've reverted to something very close to your last edit. Pleclech 19:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I put back in the David Saito Chung Investor's Business Daily articles. If you go to www.investors.com and type in Chris Kacher, these six articles pop up. He was interviewed in each. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Williams5150 (talk • contribs) 12:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] References.

The two recently added are unconvincing. The first gives no Google hits and at best is published by an interested party. The second is from the "M Gordon Publishing Group" which previously I'd taken at face value - on investigation they sell trading software, courses and publish books. So it's advertizement (quite likely by themselves e.g. they're pushing Tony Saliba etc.

I'm really tempted to take the lot of these articles to AfD - sockpuppets keep re-inserting any attempts at cleanup. I doubt if Wikipedia can be made Spam-free - the model's flawed! Pleclech 17:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


My response to Pleclech (by intriligator500)

First, please do not call me a sock puppet without knowing who I am. Let's keep this civil. Second, here is concrete evidence the two references are legitimate.

The first reference is taken directly from a William O'Neil Advanced Investment Workshop which I personally attended in 2001. Chris Kacher and William O'Neil were the speakers. They hand out a workshop book to each attendee. On page vi, Chris Kacher's biography is shown which includes the statement: "Dr. Kacher achieved triple digit percent returns every year from 1995 to 2000." This statement is backed by William O'Neil's company William O'Neil+Co Inc. Were this statement false, O'Neil would be subject to major lawsuits and SEC fines. William O'Neil Inc. is an SEC regulated firm, has been around since 1964, and has a squeaky clean record. The workshop book contains the O'Neil+Co Inc logo, copyright date, and is clearly a William O'Neil company book. This book is not given out to anyone except those who attend the workshops. I am not surprised you cannot find this book on google.

The second reference is taken directly from the inside flap of Conversations With Top Traders by Kevin Marder. I included it to further support that Dr. Kacher achieved triple digit returns six years in a row. The inside flap of the book says "The methods that Christian Kacher has used to grow his personal trading account 72,000% over 4 years." Clearly 72,000% in 4 years is well into annual triple digit territory. Further, while M. Gordon Publishing Group may also sell software and investment related products, this book they published is a legitimate book no different than Jack Schwager's famous Market Wizard books. Marder was a journalist famous for his Marder On The Markets columns back in 1999-2001. He travelled around the country interviewing over a dozen top traders for his book. The book appears in www.amazon.com and contains book reviews. Some links to the book: http://www.amazon.com/Best-TradingMarkets-com-Conversations-Top-Traders/dp/1893756084 http://technical.traders.com/Products/display.asp?prodid=299&dbname=books%5Cbooks&tablename=books http://www.bigtrends.com/document.jsp?documentid=2845 signed intriligator500 18 January 2007

Why would you assume I was calling you a sockpuppet? I was referring to a large group of articles rather than this one specifically and your only edits have been to this article.
Based on what you say the "Advanced Investment Workshop" book is clearly not in the public domain, hence is not a valid reference. I'm not questioning its existence or what it says - just its use in an article.
The Marder book and the M. Gordon Publishing Group exist, but I question their reliability as they appear to have a commercial interest in this and related matters. If a number of established editors feel they can be relied on I'm more than happy to discuss that with them.
P.S. I note you're signing in the body of your posting - it's better to use four tilda characters at the end. Pleclech 13:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Response to Pleclech by Intriligator500. Fair enough on the sock puppet remark. I understand that you did not mean to direct it at me. I am rather new to wikipedia edits. How do I use four tilda characters at the end? I am not sure how to sign as you are signing. Thank you for your suggestion.
Since The Advanced Investment Workshop is not in the public domain, perhaps it might be better to say "William O'Neil+Co., Inc. states in their Advanced Investment Workshop book of 2001 that Dr. Kacher achieved triple digit percentage returns every year from 1995 to 2000, six years in a row. This workshop book is not a published source but property of William O'Neil+Co., Inc which is an SEC regulated firm, thus must back any and all claims it makes in its literature."
The Marder book should be included under References since it shows Dr. Kacher was interviewed for this book. As for its reliability, Kevin Marder has an unblemished reputation as a reporter for stock-related news along with his Marder On The Markets weekly column which ran from 1999-2001, and should not be penalized just because the publisher may have a commercial interest in the book. intriligator500 15:31, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, That's certainly closer to Wiki standards. Personally I'm still a bit dubious but why don't you do that and other editors can decide what's best. Pleclech 23:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)