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[edit] Evert in the French Open

Right in the middle of her 125-game winning streak, Chris Evert didn't even enter the French Open for three consecutive years (76-78). Why didn't she? She was even the defending champ in 1976! It seems like this cheapens the 125-game streak if she wasn't playing in the most prominent clay-court tournament during much of it. --Dantheox 23:46, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

She didn't enter the French Open during those years because she played World Team Tennis instead. And her streak is not cheapened by not entering the event because none of the top females entered that tournament during those years, either. In fact, if Evert had entered the tournament, she would have won easily because of the lack of competition. Now THAT would have cheapened her streak. Tennis expert 17:55, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
How interesting that this fact is discounted by some and yet the suggestion in the main article is left intact, i.e., that had she entered the tournament more often she would have won it more often and ended up with an even more distinguished career. The same suggestion was made in the main article about Navratilova but in that case was removed by the person above with the comment "it was her choice not to enter the tournament". Montydad (talk) 18:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

I'm adding an infobox, as seen in most of the tennis player pages. Someone feel free to add a picture!--Flute138 17:34, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Evert versus Austin

Chris Evert did indeed have a 8-9 career record versus Tracy Austin. Here are all the results:

1977 Wimbledon 3R W 6-1, 6-1

1978 Hilton Head, SC SF W 6-3, 6-1

1978 U.S. Open QF W 7-5, 6-1

1979 Avon Chanpionships RR L 6-3, 6-1

1979 La Costa, CA SF W 6-1, 7-5

1979 Italian Open SF L 6-4, 2-6, 7-6(4)

1979 Mahwah, NJ F W 6-7, 6-4, 6-1

1979 U.S. Open F L 6-4, 6-3

1979 Filderstadt, Germany SF L 6-3, 7-5

1980 Avon Championships RR L 6-1, 6-3

1980 Avon Championships SF L 6-3, 6-0

1980 Cincinnati, OH F L 6-2, 6-1

1980 U.S. Open SF W 4-6, 6-1, 6-1

1981 Toronto, Ontario F L 6-1, 6-4

1981 Toyota Championships RR W 4-6, 6-4, 7-6

1981 Toyota Championships SF L 6-1, 6-2

1982 Toyota Championships SF W 6-0, 6-0

[edit] Nitpick

The text says that Evert was born in December 1954 and also that "by 1969" she was the top player under 14. But she turned 14 in December of 1968 and therefore was not under 14 at any point in 1969. It may be that "under 14" is a technical term in junior tennis that extends slightly past one's 14th birthday, but surely this can be reworded so as to be less confusing for those who do mental arithmetic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.152.99.250 (talk) 18:21, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Greatest ever??

Yeah may be if all the Grand Slams where on slower court or better still if Martina Navaratilova was never born Chris Evert would have been the best ever. How about this angle for an argument. I think this section is badly written and looks more out of frustration than fact presentation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 57.66.49.133 (talk) 09:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

It is an OPINION that violates NPOV to say that only reason Graf won more Grand Slams is because Seles was stabbed. Who knows that? If Barry Sanders hadn't retired, he might have broken Walter Payton's record - of course, he might also have been killed in a plane crash, too, right? Who's to say that Graf wouldn't have won just as many? It needs severely rewritten, sounding more like a list of excuses. 71.170.223.180 00:42, 10 September 2007 (UTC)Maestroh

This whole section is biased and opinionated. It overlooks the fact that Navratilova handed Evert her WORST EVER loss on clay at the WITA championships in 1984 (6-2, 6-0). Navratilova also pasted Evert a month later in the 1984 French Open final on clay (6-3, 6-1). During that French Open final, Evert was so outplayed that she did not win a single point on her own serve in the second set. Navratilova again defeated Evert on clay in the SF of the French Open in 1987, again in single sets (6-2, 6-2). Regardless of the above, the whole argument about "greatest ever" is moot to begin with because players with "record numbers" of tournament titles over the decades did not face the same opponents, with the same equipment and on the same surfaces. In addition, the surfaces have changed numerous times (i.e., the US open was on grass, clay and now hard court; the Aussie Open was on grass, changed surface in 1988 and again this year) and the equipment has changed so dramatically that a teenager can now hit winners from all over the court. So comparing results from different eras is pure nonsense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Montydad (talk • contribs) 18:55, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

We should also add to this section the fact that in terms of grand slam singles matches the record between Evert and Navratilova is as follows: Australian Open: Tied 2-2; French Open: Evert 3-2; Wimbledon: Navratilova 7-2; US Open: Navratilova 3-1. In short, the argument that had they played more on clay, the results would have been much different is hardly borne out by the results. The real difference in results can be better accounted for with factors such as player maturity, fitness and dedication to the game rather than just the surface on which the matches were played. If we examine the results prior to 1979, which was the point after which Navratilova began to dominate the rivalry, we see that Evert had won 24 of the 30 matches played (including one walk-over). She dominated Navratilova on Hard courts (13-2), Indoor Carpet (5-2), and Clay (5-0). The only surface prior to 1979 in Navratilova's favour was grass where she led 2-1. The contention that Evert "would have won more if more tournaments had not been offered on faster surfaces such as carpet and hard courts" is untenable and is not bourne out by the results from the earlier part of the rivalry. Once Navratilova rededicated herself to the sport, hired a coach and improved her fitness, the table turned and she dominated Evert on the same surfaces where Evert had previously held the edge. Those includes "faster surfaces" such as carpet and hard courts. Montydad (talk) 18:35, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

All the section is heavily NPOV. It needs to be rewritten accurately. (talk) 14:35, 11 june 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.13.30.213 (talk)