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Elbow/ Forearm?

Is it a forearm knockdown or a high elbow knockdown that Benoit does every week? I've heard Michael Cole say forearm and Tazz say elbow.

"However, Chris Benoit was replaced by Johnny Nitro for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due having his pubic hair get caught in the jet in his pool." are you sure this is not a joke? 202.148.19.14 16:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Benoit murderer?

Tuesday's Atlanta Journal Constitution newspaper online article states that police believe Benoit killed his wife and son on Sunday and then himself on Monday. Here is the link [1] Frog47 07:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Benoit and Family Found Dead

According to WWE.com. Expect a barrage on the page.--ProtoWolf 22:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I hope its just a storyline angle just like this Vince one Jcdizon 22:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Chris Benoit and his whole family were found dead in their home today. Good God this is horrible I don't think its real dude supermike

Considering the whole "Vince is dead" angle plus the fact that WWE.com reported this while the wrestling sites have yet to pick up on this, I have to wonder if this is legit or not. If it is, I offer my condolences to Benoit's family. Considering he was friends with Eddie Guerrero, one has to wonder if they're going to end up doing a tribute/storyline to him much in the same way as Latino Heat. Benoit will be missed in the squared circle. Jgera5 22:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm very sad to report that this isn't a storyline - Dave Meltzer has confirmed the Benoit family's deaths on Wrestling Observer. My condolences go out to the entire wrestling community and to anyone remotely connected to the Benoit family. Steveweiser 22:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


Considering that they are reporting his WHOLE FAMILY IS DEAD I think its safe to say that sadly, its true. I can't see WWE even being this sick Mattbwn 22:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Hopefully we'll see some semblance of respect by them dropping the vince death angle for at least one night. DemonWeb 22:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

  • WWE have already confirmed that the entire show tonight will be dedicated to Benoit. Steveweiser 22:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I am in shock. I don't even know what to make of this. One of the greatest in the bussiness gone. Will the "Vince is Dead" storyline countinue? God....I can't believe this. His whole family also... Milkman 22:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


i wish it was a storyline angle but it's not my friends got a text mesg from wwe alerts and on wrestlers myspace's like gregory helms it said:

I was sitting here at my computer when I got a call informing me of the death of Chris Benoit and his family. Other than saying that my thoughts go out to to his remaining family, I don't know what to say. Chris had just called me on Thursday to check on me as he has every week since my surgery and now days later I find out that he's gone. He was my friend. This hurts! This fucking sucks!!!! Rest in peace my friend! Love you!

R.I.P. Chris Benoit

And still no news source is reporting this. Just the usual goofy prowrestling sites.

That's not unusual. It took many major news outlets a few hours to pick up on the death of Eddie. -- Scorpion0422 22:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
It may take them even longer this time because of the stupid "Vince is presumed dead" angle, g-d I hope they drop that shit now... Bmg916Speak 22:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Someone has changed the main page to say that this is an angle. Dave Meltzer has confirmed that the whole thing is true, and that Benoit sadly is dead. Steveweiser 22:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

WWE.com updated with statement offering simpathies. We may need to get this Full-Protected. Mattbwn 22:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

It might not hurt to jump the gun and request semi protection now before the barrage hits. On a side note, did anyone else notice that they removed all of the Vince's death stuff from the WWE.com main page? -- Scorpion0422 22:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Until confirmed by Atlanta news outlets, we should protect it and change the page back to its unedited state. MichaelBlankley 22:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't see any feasible way they can continue with this angle in the wake of Martel and now this tragedy. Chris Benoit was easily one of the most respected wrestlers in the history of pro wrestling, period. To continue that angle in the wake of this would be a new level of disgusting. It will be interesting to see if Vince comes out tonight on RAW. Mattbwn 22:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Called channel 11 Atlanta - they checked with Atlanta police - NO SUCH INVESTIGATION. Quit removing this comment.

Please, I don't think WWE would make false death reports. Vince is a storyline, this isn't. Your "call" to Atlanta police doesn't satisfy reports all over the internet claiming this. — Moe ε 22:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I hate to say it, but the fact that he didn't appear at the pay-per-view the night before for "personal reasons" and then was found dead the next day seems suspicous and somewhat contrived. I hope he's not really dead but either way, it's sad that since this McMahon death angle we really can't believe any deaths in WWE.Maxwagner7 22:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

WWE.com removed all References to the McMahon Death Angle, they updated the RAW page to a simple Chris Benoit 1967-2007 Image. Not even WWE has such bad taste that this could be an angle. WWE Raw Page 212.101.18.215 23:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Plus, Vince Mcmahon opened the RAW by breaking kayfabe and speaking of Benoit's death, so the angle has obviously been dropped. R.I.P. Chris. (Sawyer 00:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC))

I'm glad the part saying that Chris murdered his wife and son was deleted because that has not been reported as the official explanation. Let's wait for the straight facts to be delivered. AlexR42 03:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Lets not jump the gun with this. Lets wait until we can find more reliable sources. I am also glad that someone got rid of the Benoit killing his family info. Alot of people are going to come here for information so we should kept as informative as possible without pouring out speculation. And the source that was linked looked like a freelance news web-site --classicrockguy 03:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow you all are quick on this story. Here is a link that is tells what is going on so far; [2] Sorry to say it's not a story line. The officials are handling it as a homicide though apparently Benoit sent a bunch of weird email according to the news this morning. --CrohnieGalTalk 11:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Even TNA are reporting it now. There's no way it can be fake.

So we know it's real now. Not an angle.

I just read the TNA piece - it hits you even more when the opposition are reporting the news. Steveweiser 22:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah - that settles it. Come on people, get real - I'll go with Channel 11 and the Atlanta police before wrestling sites.

For the time being, we have to go by what the sources are saying, even if it is a work (which I doubt it is). -- Scorpion0422 22:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

There's NO way TNA would play along with WWE storylines Movietrailer 22:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The funny things is thinking people would take an unsigned comment about a phone call to the Atlanta police as credible over official documentation on both WWE.com and its direct competition. Mattbwn 22:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I think based on the number of edits in the past few hours a semi-protect is at least in order. Mattbwn 23:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
If this were only a storyline, TNA would not have said a word about it, and yet it is on their page. It is, most unfortunately, legit. I'm sure Atlanta news will acknowledge something if it is found to be a suspicious death. And yes, I agree on the semi-protect. People will be editing this page like mad.trivialbass619 23:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


Well it seems stopping the wrestling industry plants would help. Called Atlanta police myself - no known report or investigation. I am not the only one who has called. Why not get off your behinds and call yourself?

Oh come on, you're being stupid - it's all over the Internet now, it is most definitely legit... end of story. Mattborgi 23:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

And every single one is a wrestling site except a Memphis station reporting that WWE site says so. Call the Altanta police!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --Unsigned

The atlanta police are already there... --Unsigned

There are no credible (non-wrestling) sites reporting that he died. If it were real, surely CNN or the AP would report on it. Especially if it involved his whole family dying. --Ssj4android 23:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Easy now everybody, take a breath. In one hour we'll see if it's real or not. Mattbwn 23:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The lack of respect shown here for a deceased human being truely disgusts me. MMAnzi 23:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Do you think this should have a semi-protect if vandalism occurs today? --Mikecraig 23:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Right now, we're best off patrolling it constantly for vandalism and reverting it when it happens. Semi-protection might be needed soon, however. Rdfox 76 23:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The Atlanta police probably wouldn't talk about an ongoing investigation. I wish it was a work, but I doubt it is. 68.18.33.219 23:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)Adam Nelson

http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=a76b6326-1f90-4539-988e-cf4eb2b8cd7f&rss=59 75.2.200.118 23:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

WSB in Atlanta confirms. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13567642/detail.html?rss=atl&psp=news

This can't be a work unfortenly. Even WWE.com confirms this.

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For everyone saying they have called the Atlanta Police, you need to be aware this isn't an active investigation by the Atlanta Police Department. The investigation is being conducted by the Fayette County Sheriff's Department, and you should call them. Link to story. --Hookedonlsd 01:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok Folks

Time to settle down a bit. Taking a few extra minutes or more to confirm information AND to reliably source it (no, PWTorch, 1wrestling.com are not reliable sources) will not kill the article. Please do not continue to edit war on the page, we don't want to full protect it, but we will if we have to. SirFozzie 23:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Agree --Mikecraig 23:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

ok here is a source from an atlanta news site

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13567642/detail.html Movietrailer 23:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/25/0625benoit.html - Atlanta Journal Constitution is reporting on it. - Matt J

We've been reported on

"To those emailing us with the note from Wikipedia.com claiming the Benoit-family death situation is a WWE television angle - we can confirm that rumor is completely false. There is nothing scripted about the very tragic circumstances that unfolded today." [3] -- Scorpion0422 23:33, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


There are many more useless, hurtful, and ignorant items added into this discussion than the ones you deleted. Should get your priorities straight. 75.2.200.118 23:39, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Protect the article

I'd like to suggest that an administrator put protection on the Benoit article. No doubt that people will be flocking here to get information, and some will be tempted to edit the article with false information. TheOneCalledA1 23:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

It's already happening, I'm sorry to say. -- MisterHand 23:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I have requested that it be fully protected for the time being because we won't be getting any information any time soon and it should be protected at least until new verified information comes in. -- Scorpion0422 23:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree. seven+one 23:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't think protection is necessary just patience. Eventually the truth (and it is seemingly more likely that it is an AWFUL truth) will be verified sufficiently for all parties. Even though some MSM outlets are beginning to come out with this story, I am still hoping it's just an angle. In the meantime please don't edit war, the article isn't going anywhere, and there will be sufficient time to sort out all the issues. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 23:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with full protection; what we want is semi-protection. Full protection is only for ongoing edit wars and such. For example, the article on the Virginia Tech massacre experienced near-constant vandalism for days after the event, but it has never been beyond semi-protection. Vandalism by established editors can be dealt with through standard Wiki means--we monitor and correct it, and use warnings and WP:AIV to deal with it. I would, however, recommend starting with uw-v2 at a minimum for vandalism, and wouldn't disagree with uw-v4im for people putting in claims that this is all a work. Rdfox 76 23:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the article needs to be protected for the next while. I've just been on a couple of webforums and Wikipedia's rep is taking some hits from people upset over the false reports that made their way into the article before the lock-down. Wiki's reputation is shaky enough; in some respects I think wikipolicy should indicate that articles like these should be instantly locked to all but registered editors once a story like this breaks. Obviously in practice it's more difficult to do that than in theory ... 23skidoo 00:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


I recommend a full protect on the article for one week just to keep things together as the details of his death comes forward. Maybe we should look at something for the long term future in regards to this page's protection. AnthonyWalters 01:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

We try to only use full protection in ongoing edit wars, and then as sparingly as possible. I'm sure a lot of folks have it on their watch list. Just make sure everything is sourced, and if the situation changes, then the article can change. SirFozzie 01:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Tyeman64 types: I believe as well semi-protect will do for now. Any member here would be smart enough not to add what they dont know. As wikipedia isnt here for speculation but for facts.tyeman64 10:43 pm est, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

TSN

TSN.ca is now reporting on Benoit's death. [4] -- Scorpion0422 00:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

So has FoxNews [5], with apparent verification that the authorities are investigating it. The problem is, most of these reports are linking their stories to WWE.com, which to people like me who don't want to believe it's true, gives the hope that this may all be some sick and misguided work. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 00:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • The Canadian Press wire service is reporting it, though only using he WWE site as a source. Having worked for CP-related media I can say with assurance they wouldn't be posting this if there wasn't a legitimate indication it's true. See here 23skidoo 00:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

They can always ask local authorities to validate the claim, so its legit.--Bedford 00:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Besides, common sense would dictate that this wouldn't follow the WWE formula for a work; it wasn't built up on TV at all, they already have a similar story going on (or they did), and they cancelled an entire show and sent the audience home. Jeff Silvers 00:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

WSB linking to article

WSB-TV (Atlanta's ABC affiliate) has linked to Chris Benoit's wiki page here. Where is the talk template for noting an article that has been used as a source by a news organization? --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 00:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Don't see a link there, Kitch... :? 00:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, where's the link there? (Sawyer 01:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC))

Just some advice

Is there any explanation as to why my section in here was deleted? Send me a message before you do that. Anyway, (http://www.tmz.com) - This is yet another news site confirming his death. No need to believe trolls, especially those who refuse to sign their posts. Legendotphoenix 01:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Associated Press

A very reliable source, the Associated Press, has reported about the deaths here. Rest in peace, Benoit. ~ UBeR 01:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

DOD

Should the date of death be listed as June 25 yet? We know he was found today, but until the autopsy is released (expected Tuesday), we don't know for sure the date of death. Right now, all we know for sure is it happened sometime between Sunday afternoon (June 24th) and 2:30pm June 25th. So with that, shouldn't the DOD be listed as unknown, until offical word? Rawboard 01:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It should stay as the 25th until a source says otherwise. -- Scorpion0422 01:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. Legendotphoenix 01:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. However, don't threaten full protection over this unless someone gets into a revert war. Try using the Talkpage warning system and going through WP:AIV before going that far, OK? Rdfox 76 01:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The one user who I was reverting had added that date two or three times previously. -- Scorpion0422 01:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I gave him a uw-v2 warning on his talkpage. If he does it again, give him higher-level warnings. If he ignores the level-four warning, then report him to AIV. Full protection is for severe vandalism by multiple sockpuppets, or revert wars. Rdfox 76 01:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Being investigated as a Possible Murder-Suicide

[6]. With something this explosive, with no named source, or even an unnamed source I don't see how we can add it yet,but it's out there. SirFozzie 01:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I hope to god its not murder ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 02:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


That should be taken out of the article. The AJC is the ONLY paper I've seen reporting that. And the actual investigators...Lt. Tommy Pope of the local police said it was being investigated as a HOMICIDE. Period. No mention of suicide. Until the AJC's report is supported by someone else, or their sources are cited....that part should be removed. Abalu 02:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Abalu
I agree, and have removed it from the article. SirFozzie 02:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Also agreed - let's keep this out of the article until we can find more sources. Legendotphoenix 02:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Update: Is there ANYBODY who gets Atlanta stations that can confirm this? I just got this from someone who lives down there.

Local 10p news (WAGA-TV) is reporting that investigators have told them that, based on evidence found inside the home that they are not ready to disclose, they believe Benoit may have killed his wife & son a couple of days earlier before taking his own life sometime in the past 24 hours.

According to WAGA, the bodies were discovered by a neighbor today after WWE "promoters" were unable to reach the Benoits by phone. The bodies were found in separate rooms, Nancy in an office area, Daniel in an upstairs bedroom, and Chris in a weight room.

The latter part of that (the locations) were given on-camera by an investigator, the rest was from the reporter who did the stand up piece from the local sheriff's department.

(Bolding and signing) SirFozzie 02:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I hope that this is anything but the truth. Chris has always seemed like an honorable and respectful man as long as I've watched him wrestle, and to hear this kind of story disgusts me. Although to find out if this is the truth would probably sicken me even more. Let's just hope this is speculation at best, or some punk jackass talking out of his 4th point of contact... Mike 02:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
This whole thing seems very strange to me. Obviously it's not part of any storyline so that's out of the question. Earlier reports were postulating that it might of been some sort of homicide where some outside party killed all three of them and some reports now are postulating that it could of been a murder suicide thing where Benoit killed his family and then himself. Both scenarios seem basically impossible to me. Benoit was a fairly large and powerful person and there were no reports of any sort of struggle so it seems that given the circumstances the chances of some outside party coming in and murdering them all is very slim. I've been a fan of wrestling for several years and know numerous people who have met Benoit and all accounts say that he was a calm and peaceful person, very very nice. So it's impossible for me to conceive him murdering his family and then committing suicide. I'm not proposing any changes be made to the article right now, I just don't believe we should immediately put any sort of media postulations in the article at this early a state. Wikidudeman (talk) 02:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, ABC News is reporting the following (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=3315501&page=1):
"There were no signs of gunshot wounds or stabbing, according to Pope. Authorities are not ruling out other causes, such as poisoning, suffocation, or strangulation. Pope told ABC News that his department is looking at this situation as a "possible double murder, suicide."
Pope said "the instruments of death were located on scene," but would not specify what those instruments are or where in the house the bodies were found. Pope added the department is "not actively searching for any suspects outside of the house." "
I think that fairly well sums it up, though of course this can't be confirmed by any other source thus far that I've found. Goofyman 02:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


"the instruments of death"? That's awfully strange. Benoit was probably one of the most peaceful, clam and nice wrestlers there are, people there are. I simply can't phantom him being the culprit in these terrible events. I don't know much about his wife though. My initial assumptions was possibly some sort of food poisoning or maybe a gas leak that caused their deaths since I read other reports that the bodies were found in totally different parts of the house, His wife in her office, son in his bedroom and Benoit was in his weight room. Wikidudeman (talk) 02:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
It's a righteous cite, however, since A) It's ABC News, B) We have a named person providing the information. I don't want it to be true, but this is a very righteous cite, :( SirFozzie 03:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I hate to sound like a dick, but this discussion is veering away from being relevant to the article. -- Scorpion0422 03:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It's ok. Anyone have any problems with putting that paragraph in, since it is now well cited? SirFozzie 03:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately we might as well, I just saw it noted on MSNBC. This really is a sad story. Mike 03:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
No dont not until tommorow. Wait for the cops to release more tommorow.Tyeman64 03:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC) 11:12 pm 6/25/2007
From WWE.Com -- "It has been ruled that the deaths of Chris Benoit, his wife Nancy and their son Daniel earlier today were the result of a double murder-suicide from within the home. WWE.com will have more as soon as it becomes available." Jezebel Parks 03:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better for the time being to state that "the police were called to check on the welfare of..." instead of stating that said person or said company called them??? --TipoBarra 03:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't think Wikipedia should just jump onto what news agencies or especially wwe.com says given the amount of inconsistency in their reports today. This article will no doubt continue to change all night and tomorrow and I believe we should simply mention that they were found dead in their home without reporting what news agencies are saying at this moment. Fully protected the article until new and solid information comes to light tomorrow or whenever. Wikidudeman (talk) 03:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
If you want to make the request at WP:RfPP, Wikidudeman, you certainly can, but with the amount of cites provided for that paragraph, I don't think there's any way A) We can take that paragraph out, and B) that you will get a Full Protect on the article. SirFozzie 03:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Why not? The page is being heavily vandalised by vandals who have accounts. -- Scorpion0422 03:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Because in cases where it's vandalism (and not an edit war), they do not full protect the page unless the volume of vandalism is so great that the regular editors cannot keep up with it. SirFozzie 03:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
But the article is being edited at such a fast and furious pace that whenever one tries to revert vandalism, they have edit conflicts or accidentally revert legitimate edits and vice versa. I think that qualifies as making it so that it is hard to keep up. -- Scorpion0422 03:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I argee with what SirFozzie is saying, but there needs be a certain protection. also, i feel that people need to write things in a way which is accurate, yet not speculative to what has happened. it is possible that they all died of an illness, or have been murdered. it is our role not to jump to conclusions, but to right accurate articles based on the facts we have. the informantion is not 100% reliable at the moment, as Wikidudeman correctly states, but i think there is enough information there to write summit accurate --TipoBarra 03:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
This Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed Proposal sure would come in handy right now... Wikidudeman (talk) 03:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Is this just vandalism?

Various users keep adding "Investigators believe that Benoit killed his wife and son over the weekend and then himself sometime on Monday although the cause is unknown" is that actually coming from somewhere, or is it just vandalism? -- Scorpion0422 03:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

In the subject above, there's a news article posted that suggests the police have suspicion that that's what might have happened. Arrowny 03:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
It's current media postulations that came from a detective on the case. Wikidudeman (talk) 03:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Regardless of whether you believe it should be included (I personally do, though it should definitely be made clear that there is still no official word on the situation), yes, the investigator did in fact say that it looks like Benoit murdered his wife and son before killing himself the following day. Jeff Silvers 03:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I have asked a couple fellow admins to take a look at it, protection wise and BLP wise. SirFozzie 04:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I have tried to add the word POSSIBLE to the murder-suicide phrase, as well as indicating that the autopsy is tomorrow, there likely wont be results for a couple weeks, but it doesn't appear that my edit is 'taking'. And ABC news had this on the cause of death: "There were no signs of gunshot wounds or stabbing, according to Pope. Authorities are not ruling out other causes, such as poisoning, suffocation or strangulation. Pope told ABC News that his department is looking at this situation as a "possible double murder, suicide." Bsbfan4alex 05:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, we can't use Wikipedia articles to disseminate speculation. I ask that people refrain from making such contributions. The article is already semi-protected, if it continues I might be forced to fully protect the article. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 04:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
So we can say that the investigator (and NAME the investigator) said it, but we cannot report it as fact. SirFozzie 04:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I think that might be reasonable but before added on it should have some kind of consensus from other users editing this article. So what do contributors think of SirFozzie's suggestion?--Jersey Devil 04:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

So long as it's attributed to a reliable source - and reported as such - I have no objection to including this as it represents the present state of the investigation. In another day, this will change, but it's supposed to be easy to revise this wikithingy anyway, so I don't see the problem. Rklawton 04:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Obviously we can't just say "Benoit killed his wife and son," but it is important, notable, and verifiable that an investigator on the case has suggested it could've occurred that way. Jeff Silvers 04:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Likewise, reporting "news" from the WWE website isn't appropriate because they aren't a reliable source for the current state of the investigation. I trust local and national news sources to do a better job fact checking and a (purely) entertainment-based website. Rklawton 04:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

At the same time, the WWE is citing credible and knowledgeable news sources. A lot of the WWE's article about the murder-suicide can be written into :the article citing the WWE article. This is one of the very most rare of times where WWE.com is going to break kayfabe to break a legit news story. --Raderick 05:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Request Full Protection

Registered users such as 217mattq are editing the entry with profane or useless information (until the investigation is done). I think a request for full protection on the article needs to be implemented. GZadmin 05:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree, it's all wild speculation until an autopsy report comes out, and even after that I suspect there will be continued vandalism done even by registered users. IrisKawling 05:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't require full-protection, only a few cases of vandalism. Warn the users. — Moe ε 05:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Question: how is it that accounts only one minute old can edit this article? What's the time requirement for "newly created accounts"? Rklawton 06:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Doubt they were one minute old, some accounts are created and never used until situations like this. 4 days I believe is the requirement for "new" accounts. — Moe ε 06:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I'd read about that awhile back. I must be getting tired. Keep an eye on the article 'till I get back, will ya? And don't notify Office about anything k? Rklawton 06:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It's been fully protected after some throw-away accounts were used to continue vandalizing the article. — Moe ε 06:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Since when has simple vandalism become a problem? Please semi-protect the article so that you may allow the free flow of information. Thanks. ~ UBeR 06:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Until there are more confirmed facts, additional entries are mere speculation. Full protection period is only 48hrs, by which point we should hopefully have more reliable information to add. Anything else that is noticed and requires correction can be mentioned here and corrected.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 06:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I suppose you're right, The Australian, CNN, and the Associated Press are just tosh and unreliable. ~ UBeR 07:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

According to NoDQ.com the inverstigation is over and it has been rulled a Double Murder-Suicide. So, should or can someone include that in the article though it is protected from editing? Blindsnyper 18:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, this article has to be updated, (e.g. the intro) to reflect sources such as this: [7]. I think it's time to remove protection. Joaq99 01:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, the intro absolutely needs to be updated to reflect the "murder-suicide" conclusion.Ronnymexico 13:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

This article needs serious work, e.g. there is no mention of anabolic steroids (see this article [8]). Also, updates have simply been added to the Death section without being integrated into the rest of the text, so it doesn't make sense. Please remove full protection so this can occur. Joaq99 08:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I understand the full protection on this page...However, if this page is fully protected, shouldn't Nancy Daus' page also be fully protected? Starsfan32 15:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

it isn't getting as much attention from the vandals The Hybrid 14:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Probable new categories

In light of recent events, I foresee the probable use of at least two new categories. "Category:Murderers of children" and "Category:Canadian murderers". While it is still "speculation", it will not be very long at all until he proven to be of murder and the murder of his child (he has already, obviously, been linked to these murders), there are no other suspects and it is unlikely his kid or his wife managed to kill this hulk of a man. So just be ready for these new categories here on the talk page rather than being shocked and appalled at seeing for the first time that your hero has been categorized as a child murderer on the article itself. JayKeaton 07:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Let not jump to conclusions, even if they are probable. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball or speculative in that manner. ~ UBeR 07:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Be that as it may, all signs to point to "yes", so if you are a fan of this Benoit guy, just be ready for it. By the time this page is unlocked, the police probably will have made a statement saying that yes he was the killer. So it is possible that it was a freak accident, maybe a microwave exploded and a block of kitchen knives nearby happen to fly at all of their necks, all signs are pointing towards what the police are already saying. It is a truly sad and disturbing turn of events, I wish it didn't have to be this way. But it is. JayKeaton 07:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Please refrain from such conjecture. Accusing someone of murder is quite grave, not to mention rather insensitive considering that a family has been torn apart just recently. I think you should wait until the official police report is made before thinking that the case is already solved. AMReese 07:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The case is being treated as a homicide and this is not a biography of a living person, so accusations are not so much of an issue here. The police did say that they are also treating it as a murder-suicide. It is just the facts and that is the way the facts are pointing. And that will probably be a large part of the future of this article. Also in the history of his wrestling, especially leading up to the murders, the WWE says that he has pulled out of an event or two because of "personal reasons" and also "family issues". Chris pulling out because of personal reasons and family issues just before the death of himself and his family relates directly to the death of his family. Such conjecture is necessary based on the evidence so far and also to try and figure out what to expect from this article in the future and the near future JayKeaton 08:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Also [[Category: Murder-suicide]] Nosleep1234 10:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

"Treating it as" is NOT the same as "our investigations have concluded and our official report states" - let's hold off on any such category changes until the fat lady sings. --Fredrick day 10:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

While I agree that, since this isn't a living person, the rigour applied to other current event-related people (like Willie Pickton, for instance) doesn't apply here, I personally don't think any categories that conclude a crime took place should be included until a formal statement has been made indicating that the deaths were murders/suicide. This event isn't going anywhere, no need to be hasty. Anchoress 15:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

So can these categories be added? The press conference pretty much nailed the point home. Nosleep1234 20:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

The Crippler Crossface

In the Personal life, where it says Benoit's Crossface was borrowed from Dean Malenko, this is actually true because during the Benoit tribute last night, Malenko even said himself that he allowed Benoit to borrow it as he was trying to find a submission move he could use as a finisher. I'm not sure how that would be cited, but Malenko's words during the tribute does prove it. vDub 12:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Benoit also talked about it on the Hard Knocks DVD, to the best of my recollection. Garistotle 12:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

The 4:01 June 25th edit

If you look through the history of Beniot's page, you can see an edit over 18 hours before his death was announced saying he missed Sunday night's event because of the rumored death of his wife. I have not read any legit sources that suggest anyone knew about his wife's death prior to his, but that edit looks somewhat cryptic now. How could an editor have known that his wife was dead 18 hours before the story broke that his family was dead? Wesleymullins 04:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah that is kind of really odd... Shows as the 10:01 edit for me, but ehh, still was before the 2:30 discovery of the bodies. Very weird. Also to view it click here -- Shatterzer0 04:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

That's 4:01 GMT. I think that would be 12:01 a.m. Eastern Daylight Savings Time. Or 14 and a half hours before the bodies were reported discovered. Rklawton 05:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Just to add to this craziness, I looked up the IP and it comes from Stamford, Connecticut; which happens to be where WWE headquarters are located. I thought this was too weird not to mention. Trvr3307 05:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Don't make up crap, you don't have CheckUser, thus you don't have access to see editors IP addresses, and second IP addresses have not been editing the article for a while now. — Moe ε 05:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I do apologize, I am fairly new here (I have had an account for awhile, never got into much though). I went to the link above: here and saw the IP address. I pasted it into a free service: here and it said it came from Stamford. I am sorry if I did something wrong here, but I thought it was note-worthy. Trvr3307 05:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
No, you've done nothing wrong, just it's not noteworthy. This talk is for improving the article. Thank you! — Moe ε 05:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It's probably vandalism based off of the "family emergency" claim. It still may be worth looking into. --David Bixenspan 05:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Coming from Stamford? That sure should raise some eyebrows. Is there any way we can get some higher ups to look over this? It's quite disturbing and could be quite interesting at the same time. --Raderick 05:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It was re-added by someone w/ an Australian IP a few minutes after it was reverted, so probably spoofed and nothing to do w/ WWE/Stamford. Of course, it's still suspicious, just differently so. --David Bixenspan 05:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
No, it's not coming from Stanford, and no, CheckUser isn't going to be performed for our own little investigation. — Moe ε 05:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Why not? It's certainly warranted even though it's most likely a sad coincidence. --David Bixenspan 05:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
And we still might want to give Office a heads up on this since the posts appear to have happened before Chris' death. Rklawton 05:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Rubbish. It's not what this is for. Period. If this is what you came to Wikipedia to do, then I suggest you not stay. — Moe ε 05:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree, someone should look into it. And I think Moe should calm down, you seem like a angry person, just relax, dont have a heart attack..BigCoop 05:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Seconded. Indeed, it appears that he is opposed to even giving Office a heads up. Rklawton 05:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
IP Address Country (Short) Country (Full) Flag Region City ISP Source
69.120.111.23 US UNITED STATES Flag of the United States CONNECTICUT STAMFORD OPTIMUM ONLINE (CABLEVISION SYSTEMS) IP2 Location (Free)
-- Hornetman16 05:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I added this string because it was totally deleted and does not even appear in the archives. This information belongs in the public record. Feel free to move it to the archives, but it is an interesting read. Wesleymullins 03:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

The 4:01 June 25th post

That string needs to be returned. This place is not a democracy, but when everyone else disagrees with you, Moe, you should consider for a second that you might be wrong. That's a legit discussion to have (Wesleymullins 06:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC))

Then they can take it to the admin's noticeboard or to OFFICE, this talk page is for improving the article, not general comments about the subject. — Moe ε 06:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
From what I can see, it didn't really divulge anything as the user was anonymous. Here's the diff for reference: [9] east.718 06:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Anonymous or not, divulging IP information on ANY account without the account holders permission is in violation of the Wikimedia Foundation Privacy Policy.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 06:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Then those references could be removed without taking down the whole thread (Wesleymullins 06:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC))
The conversation still doesn't belong here. Take it to OFFICE, take it AN/I, take it someplace that it fits that isn't here. — Moe ε 07:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
again, it's not a democracy, but you are the only person voicing that concern while many others believe it is legit for discussion. (Wesleymullins 07:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC))
How does it improve the article? Answer: I doesn't. — Moe ε 07:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It's an important fact that points to the timeline of the deaths. If someone knew 18 hours before the press release, it adds to the story. (Wesleymullins 07:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC))

If you want to go play investigator, report it someplace, talk to OFFICE, otherwise your hypothetical allegations are not adding on to the story, your only being disruptive. — Moe ε 07:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Isnt everyone here playing investigator? Isnt that what this site is about? I dont know what hypothetical allegations you think I am adding. All I am saying is that someone added a comment about his wife's death 18 hours before it was released. Everyone else thinks it is legit to discuss and adds an aspect to this story not reported anywhere else. (Wesleymullins 07:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC))
It's also important to note that every news report speculates that Chris died sometime Monday, meaning he was still alive when somoene posted that remark about his wife being dead. (Wesleymullins 07:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC))
WP:NOT an investigative journalism source. WP:NOR clearly prohibits this sort of investigation. If that is what you think Wikipedia's goal is, then we don't want your assistance with the project. Continue down this road and you will find yourself blocked for 24hrs.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 07:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
THis is not original research. I am simply pointing to two facts. 1, the news outlets report that his wife died over the weekend and Chris died Monday. 2, someone on here posted a message saying that his wife was dead about 18 hours before the press broke the story and during the time when the media says he was still alive. No theories here, no speculation. Those are simply the facts (Wesleymullins 07:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC))
If you want to threaten people with being banned, why not start with all the theories below on the different ways he could have killed himself. Those are theories; what I posted was facts. (Wesleymullins 07:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC))
You really are looking to be blocked.. — Moe ε 07:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Threaten me all you want. You are the person deleting threads where others clearly disagree with you. And you are also not being very nice in your replies. (Wesleymullins 07:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC))

I don't have to be very nice. Again, I didn't remove it because I didn't agree with you, one, because of the privacy policy violation before hand and the fact it didn't belong here. — Moe ε 07:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
And now, I am going to feed you anymore. — Moe ε 07:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion that it doesnt belong. Others dont share it. And no, you dont have to be nice here, but if you are going to threaten getting people banned, you should make sure your house is clean. (Wesleymullins 07:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC))

You are calling me a troll? Look at all the arguments on your talk page. Looks like you make it a daily habit of starting stuff like this (and yes, you started this) and then bully people into threatening them with a ban. (Wesleymullins 07:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC))

Has anyone considered that this information needs to (not should) be passed along to the investigating agency? Sorry if it was mentioned elsewhere, if it was I (obviously) missed it. It may or may not be important, but they need to know. [and if no one wants to make a call about it, I'll offer to do so.]Bsbfan4alex 11:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

add category

Category:Cause of death disputed I would do it myself, but this is on super-lockdown at the minute. Lugnuts 12:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

There is technically no dispute over his cause of death; it's just officially unknown at this point. Jeff Silvers 13:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I would say it's disputed even without the "no gunshot wounds" comment that's been flying around. IE - did he def. kill his wife, or did she kill him? Or did he committ suicide and if so, what method. Note, I'm not using this as a forum, I'm just explaining my rationale for the above category. The article has the text: the station reported that investigators believe that Benoit murdered his wife and son . Again, nothing concrete, and esp. in the light of the recent Bob Wolmer debarcle, then I wouldn't take it as read as this being 100% fact. Lugnuts 14:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Again, unknown is not the same as "disputed". Disputed means there are two or more sides, each of them proposing a different cause of death. That's not the case here. -- MisterHand 14:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
It isn't disputed. My cousin is a sergeant in the Phoenix Police Department, and he has often mentioned they can't present a series of events to the public as fact until an autopsy is performed. The Hybrid 15:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Additional confirmed information regarding text messages

According to WWE.com, Benoit sent what it described as "curious text messages" to several WWE wrestlers early Sunday morning, which prompted them to contact a WWE official, who then contacted Fayette County police. The article also mentions that WWE has additional information about the deaths and investigation that it has been asked to withhold for the time being. I think both bits are extremely relevant and need to be added to the article (especially considering they can be verified with a reliable source and are therefore not mere speculation). Jeff Silvers 13:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Request change of picture

To one of him with the World title, his greatest achievement. there are several pictures on WWE.com http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/superstars/chrisbenoit/photos1/4959102/

I especially like these three.

http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/superstars/chrisbenoit/photos1/4959102/19.jpg http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/superstars/chrisbenoit/photos1/4959102/10.jpg http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/superstars/chrisbenoit/photos1/4959102/17.jpg

Any of those would be great. What do you guys think? UnknownToaster 13:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia respects the copyrights of others. We do not use a copyrighted image when we have a freely licensed one. --BigDT 13:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
They would be great, but Wikipedia would never use a nonfree image over a free one. In all truth though, I was surprised when the image of Benoit winning the title was deleted so quickly. -- Scorpion0422 13:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Well that is a shame.. we should try to find one that is freely licensed of him with the strap. Or at least a better picture as the one in sue now is not all that great. UnknownToaster 13:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I actually have 2 pictures of him that I took upclose of him in the beginning of May of this year. He wasn't in a great mood at the time, because I think he was late for practice for the event, and he wasn't signing any autographs. I have his side shot of him getting his backpack out of his truck (pretty close), but it's not a great shot of him wrestling or anything. I'll happily release it for use on this page, but I'm sure there are better out there. WiiAlbanyGirl 19:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Picture for Death section

Image:Benoit News.jpg Taken as the news broke on a local TV channel - "Benoit News.jpg"

And what does that have to do with this article? -- Scorpion0422 15:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
What the hell do you think? Itsmeltc 16:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The user was proposing it for use in the article, so it does have something to do with it, but since it isn't a picture of the crime scene or anything I don't think that it should be used. Peace, The Hybrid 15:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Updates once protection is lifted - let's list them here

  • There's some new information in [10], including a statement that the deaths weren't gun-related, and that the WWE asked police to check on Benoit after a series of curious text messages from him early Sunday morning. Anchoress 15:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Incorrect footnote placement (see WP:FN) and incorrect use of hyphens and dashes (on date ranges and other places—see WP:DASH). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Publisher isn't identified on most of the sources in Notes, and many of them are to dead links; they can possibly be found in the internet archive, and all Notes should have publisher listed, as well as author and publication date when available. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • I think the footnotes should be alright later or need to be relocated to another URL on the site (I haven't checked in deep into the site). Most of the "dead links" you are reporting, are coming from Online World of Wrestling, which is relaible and still available, but something is making the links not come in, so we need to investigate as to why. These links don't have publication dates and they are all written by Brad Dykens, the person in charge of the site. — Moe ε 16:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: bear in mind that you can request that an admin edit the article by using the {{editprotected}} template. -- MisterHand 16:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I noticed his 5-star match from the finals of the 1994 Super J Cup isn't listed under acheivements. That should definitely be added, as I think it's his only 5 star match.AlexR42 17:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

  • I think the dates of the family deaths that refer to ("killed his family over the weekend, and committed suicide sometime Monday") should be removed, since there is already a reference in the article to these more update dates:[1]
    • Nancy: Friday, June 22, 2007
    • Daniel: Saturday, June 23, 2007
    • Chris: Saturday/Sunday, June 23/24, 2007. Starsfan32 18:38, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Keep an eye Out

Keep an eye out for a possible "2007 Benoit family tragedy" page or something along those lines. Usually in cases like this, a page like that will eventually come along. -- Scorpion0422 15:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It's already begun: In memory of chris benoit -- Scorpion0422 15:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
and here 2007 benoit family tragedy ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 15:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It's easy to find new pages if you keep checking here. The newest pages are always listed at the very end. -- Scorpion0422 15:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Theres no guarentee that the editor who creates these pages will link to the Chris benoit article. In fact, the last 3 or four that I saw that were deleted, didn't link to this article. — Moe ε 15:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

ala eddie

is it true that chris was meant to win the ecw championship the night he died like eddie was meant to win the world championship. Should it be put in the artical? Mt 1994 15:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Only if you can find a reliable source that says it, which will likely never happen. -- Scorpion0422 15:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I highly doubt there are any reliable sources that can verify that WWE was going to give Benoit the title. — Moe ε 15:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
That depends on whether one considers Dave Meltzer a reliable source. His newsletter contains this information; which is, by the way, a logical inference, considering that Benoit's replacement won the belt instead. Best wishes, Xoloz 17:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I actually saw a link somewhere in my searching that he was supposed to go against CM Punk on Sunday for the title, after being drafted to ECW. I highly doubt it was a "news" site, more of a fan site. I'm sure this isn't acceptable enough. WiiAlbanyGirl 19:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
That part is verifiable; the ECW Championship minitournament had its first/semifinal round on ECW on Sci-Fi on Tuesday, with CM Punk defeating Marcus Cor Von and Benoit defeating Elijah Burke to advance to the finals at Vengeance. Rdfox 76 19:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

No gun/fire arms

I think an admin should add that there were no fire arms or guns used. There is a reliable source: the news. Although I can't find it on MyFoxAtlanta yet, I was just watching Fox 5 News (the news station here in Atlanta) at 12:00 PM, and it was the headline news. In it, they said that the authorities told them there were no gun shots or fire arms used. Can any admin add it? Xihix 16:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

TMZ has learned more about the deaths of WWE wrestling superstar Chris Benoit, his wife and son -- and the information is extremely disturbing.

Several Atlanta-based law enforcement sources have told TMZ Benoit may have strangled his wife on Saturday, then smothered his son in his bed a day later. Investigators refuse to off icially comment, pending final confirmation by the coroner on the cause and time of the deaths.

One source told TMZ that Benoit was texting friends during Sunday's WWE "Vengeance" Pay-Per-View program -- possibly watching the show with his son, who may have been alive at the time.

According to sources, Benoit then hanged himself Monday in a weight room inside the family home.

A police investigation is ongoing.

Source? — Moe ε 16:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Here is the TMZ article, but I think that we should wait for a more "legit" news source to say something. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 16:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, at least until the autopsy report is released. — Moe ε 16:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Confirmed on Fox Sports [11] Bytebear 16:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
There is a more 'legit' source (for the firearms angle), the CBC article I linked to above (link no. 7 in the 'updates' section). Anchoress 16:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Fox 5 just said what TMZ said, sourcing TMZ too. Should that be reliable enough? Xihix 16:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

CNN newsflash on front page: A law enforcement official close to the investigation tells The Associated Press that pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife and smothered his son before hanging himself in his weight room. SirFozzie 16:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Bingo. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 17:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I say add it, making sure to note that it was an anonymous source. Noting that would at least give something to backtrack on in the slim chance something else be revealed to have happened Garistotle 17:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
AJC reports the same, as well as Chris and Nancy were undergoing a divorce. http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/25/0625benoit.html Socby19 17:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Socby19
i guess the domestic violence items in the AJC article should be added at some point as well.harlock_jds 17:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

FNC has stated that there will be a press conference at 3:00 this afternoon, their time of course. The Hybrid 17:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Who is FNC? Socby19 17:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Socby19
Fox News Channel youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 17:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It's on Yahoo's page as well.The Cleveland Browns are awesome! 17:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2008 status

I added the following to the article:

“ The day before WrestleMania 23, Nintendo published an article confirming that Chris Benoit was to appear in the game as a Superstar[18], but due to his death in June 2007, his current status and role in the game has not been determined. ”

Does that read okay? Socby19 17:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Socby19

I'd honestly leave that out until there is confirmation one way or the other he would be included in the game or not. At best the comment is just crystal ballingWildthing61476 17:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
But he was confirmed, the day before WM 23. Socby19 17:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Socby19
I misread that, sorry. If he's been confirmed, until anything to the contrary is said, leave it as confirmed. Wildthing61476 17:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

They might keep him on there as an unlockable "WWE Legend". If I do recall correctly, WWE Attitude still had Owen Hart on there in addition to a tribute to him. Jgera5 17:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I hate to be crude, but Owen didn't kill anyone as Benoit has been allegedly accused of. Wildthing61476 17:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
yeah but Owen didn't kill his family... the WWE has been removing all references to Benoit from it's web page other than the initial story (taking down down tribute videos, removing him from dvd match listings and has discontinued his merch) so i really doubt he will be in any future WWE video game but we shouldn't add it till he is officially removedharlock_jds 17:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
If it's true he did murder his wife and child, I wouldn't want to buy a game celebrating the guy... Whatever respect he earned during his career is out the window, assuming that it's all true... this guy's just like OJ Simpson now... If the game producers were wise, he'd best not be in the game... on the same note, Chris Benoit SHOULD NEVER be in the WWE Hall of Fame... murders and child killers DON'T get celebrated in our culture.

I think it should be left how it reads in the article. But a good past example (sort of) of questioning the game is Eddie Guererro. The '06 version was released in the US two days after Eddie died, and he was a regular character. Obviously, since the game has been pressed and shipped, they couldn't do anything. But, with '07, Eddie was a Legend but unlocked from the start. The reason I say sort of is because he killed his family, and Owen's and Eddie's death were 'accidents'. Socby19 17:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Socby19

Edit: I modified the game's article to reflect his suicide and murder of his family. Socby19 17:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Socby19

I REALLY disagree with you editing a critical piece of that article without any sources. Most are saying in here not to change it until there is a confirmation (I would say, an official press release from Nintendo and/or WWE about the game). Above all us, Wikipedia is not a news site, and reports facts, not speculation. I really suggest removing that piece of the article. Anyone else have an opinion on this? WiiAlbanyGirl 18:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I do not know but I think Chris should be in SVR 2008 and the WWE Hall of Fame. Granted he has allegedly murdered his wife and son but it is not certain yet. If anything his wife should be put in the hall of fame because she was a well known manager in WCW. This is a terrible situation but we still do not know for sure if he did kill them. It looks like it but we do not know. What WWE decides to do is their buisness. Does anyone know if they will have tribute shows for ECW and SmackDown! Vermon CaTaffy 8

Because of the nature of his death (murder-suicide) WWE had no reference to Benoit w/the exception of a brief statement by Vince McMahon, which attested to the same. If Benoit had died of natural causes, wrestiing-related, etc. they definiely would have had a tribute show on both of them. Instead, they are going to ramp it back up again quickly to help everyone else involved. (source: wwe.com). Slyfield 05:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Death details

Media reports say he choked his wife and strangled his son before hanging himself [12] Angry Aspie 17:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

That's nothing but BS. I refuse to believe it unless I see proof on the Autopsy reports. King of America 17:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Sadly, it appears to be true. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 17:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[13] It's on CNN. As sad and disgusting as it sounds, he did kill his family and then himself... --Plasma Twa 2 17:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Is that the only explanation the poilce have to explane what happend? ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 17:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
For the time being, yes. — Moe ε 17:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

They theorize that it may have been a case of him going into an irrational rage due to steroid use. Steroids often cause people to go into fits of violent rage, apparently. He and his wife were also going trough a divorce at the time. He may have literally just snapped, and turned from the quiet, respectful Benoit that the WWE wrestlers knew and loved into a killer. The Hybrid 17:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Steroid source that's not a wrestling site :http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usbeno0627,0,5059205.story?coll=ny-main-bigpix Socby19 18:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Socby19

the divorce was from 2003 and had been dismissed a few months afterwards. the roid rage 'excuse' is pure speculation.harlock_jds 17:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
TMZ.com now citing marital strains-- physical altercations between Mr. and Mrs. Benoit.

Before her grisly death, Chris Benoit's wife once told a judge that she was, "intimidated by threats of violence" from her 220 lb. husband. In divorce papers filed in 2003, Nancy Benoit included a petition for protection from domestic abuse against Chris. In the papers, Nancy claimed that Benoit, "lost his temper and threatened to strike the petitioner and cause extensive damage to the home and personal belongings of the parties, including furniture." Nancy added that she was, "in reasonable fear for petitioner's own safety and that of the minor child." Three months later, Nancy filed to have the divorce papers and the restraining order dismissed. A short time later, a judge granted her wish. As TMZ first reported, law enforcement sources tell TMZ they believe he strangled his wife on Saturday, smothered his son on Sunday and then hanged himself on Monday. Source: http://www.TMZ.com

CrimsonScholar 17:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I read somewhere earlier on that a plastic bag was involved in the suffocation? I will try and find a source. fadedx 17:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


If he murdered his family, we should put him in the category Category:American murderers. -- alpiazza

Shouldn't he be on Category:Canadian murderers, by logic? or perhaps the two since he lived in the U.S. for a while. -凶 18:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I think you meant this American Murderers CrimsonScholar 17:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
god this just seems like a bad dream I feal so bad for the 7 year old child ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 17:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It's too early to wonder why he did it. He could have accidentaly killed his wife, and then killed his son, we don't know. All we know at this point is he and his family are dead, and the evidence points to him as the killer. --Plasma Twa 2 17:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I can't believe it. I'm just crying right now just reading this man. I just really can't believe it.BigBoi29 17:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)BigBoi29


AP is reporting that he strangled his wife, smothered his son and hung himself. http://www.yahoo.com/s/613437 --TopherRocks 17:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Until the press conference, we should hold off on adding him to any categories that assume a crime took place. Note:I only mentioned the roid rage thing, which I don't believe, to comfort some people who can't believe that he would willingly and knowingly kill his family. We don't need to be super depressing and condemning about this thing; the facts are bad enough. The Hybrid 17:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

If it is true and he did kill his son and wife I will lose all respect for him and if it is true then i waisted my tears on him ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 18:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Gee, thanks for not being super depressing about this ;p The Hybrid 18:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
sorry ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 18:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I was just kidding ;), and I think that what you said speaks for everyone. The Hybrid 18:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
This isn't a discussion board Hybrid ;)... in all seriousness however, I do agree with holding off, at least until the press conference runs. At least then we have the "facts".
In this case I think that using WP:IAR is just fine, as the discussion has produced many reliable news sources. The Hybrid 18:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
"PWTorch.com has learned that one major media entity has received an email purporting to be from a friend of the Chris Benoit extended family saying that Benoit accidentally killed his wife in a domestic argument, then panicked and killed his son later so his son could be with his mother rather than grow up without a mom and knowing his father as a murderer." I know this isn't credible, but I am just putting it out there. --Rabbethan 18:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Steroid source that's not a wrestling site :http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usbeno0627,0,5059205.story?coll=ny-main-bigpix Socby19 18:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Socby19

CBC is reporting there will be a press conference at 1 o'clock today. We'll have the story soon. --Plasma Twa 2 18:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

What time zone? The Hybrid 18:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
If its CBC, it will likely be based on BC or Alberta time (so 4 or 3 Eastern, respectively)Garistotle 18:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, The Hybrid 18:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
MSNBC said it was at 3pm EST--Rabbethan 18:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
WWE.com has just posted a new message listing text messages Benoit sent to WWE employees. Roguemaster83 19:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Theories and Speculation

Some of the info going out today is not all true. Wait until a couple days have past before we start putting him in American and Canada killers. Don't get me wrong, if he killed his wife and son, then he deserves worse, and I'm one of the biggest Benoit Marks in the world. I feel horrible about this as I did the day Owen died. It makes me feel like I'm in a weird dream and this is sur-real.

My point being, let's let the police do their job, figure out what's up before people start passing judgement and making changes to Wikipedia without facts. I don't considered TMZ.com as a respected news website, same as WWE.com. Once I see this on a main website like Yahoo.com or CNN.com, then it seems more credible.The Cleveland Browns are awesome! 18:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Fox sports, Yahoo, many reliable news sources have been cited on this talk page. The Hybrid 18:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[14] Unfortunately. SirFozzie 18:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

the reports that he choked his wife and strangled his son before hanging himself are on every newssite on the web (cnn, yahoo, etc etc) so i think it's safe to put him in the category of Canadian or American murders (not sur which since i don't know his citizenship statis)harlock_jds
We need to wait for it to be declared official at the press conference, just to be sure. This is an encyclopedia, as annoying as it is. The Hybrid

"Chris Benoit strangled his wife and smothered his son before hanging himself in his weight room"

http://www.gerweck.net/news/1182882775.shtml

Ryanrider

(edit conflict)but even they are saying the police think not know for a fact ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 18:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Here's a article on NoDQ.com with the official results.Blindsnyper 18:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Everything is citing the Associated Press report. Everything says the same thing because they all originated from the same report. Until the press conference has taken place we cannot begin the insertion of categories. The Hybrid 18:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Every possible news radio station and website (MSNBC, CNN, ABC, etc.) is reporting that the police have announced what everyone is saying (Wife Strangled, Son Smothered, and He Hung Himself). This IS fact, but I think that we should wait until an official report of what happened (time frames, details, etc.). I think the roid rage thing IS rumor and stupidity, and we won't know what caused him to do what he did until the toxicology report is released. I think after the press release, the article should be updated, and when the tox report comes up, we can update it then. I guess this is the best way to prevent overzealous updates on heresay. WiiAlbanyGirl 18:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm just glad that the article is full-protected 0_o. Note that every major source is citing one paper from the Associated Press, so really all that we have is one source on the matter. However, I agree that we update (meaning we use an admin as our slave ;) after the press conference, and update again after the toxicology reports come in. Peace, The Hybrid 18:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

MSNBC and CCN are both standing by for the new conference to start soon. --Rabbethan 18:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

actually something doesn't necessarily have to be true to be in wikipedia, only attributable to a reliable source... i think the strangling/suffocation/hanging himself already qualifies as being verifiable (and if information comes does come in that refutes this infomation it will also be included if it's verifable).

AP quote confirming murder-suicide

Pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife and smothered his son before hanging himself in his weight room, a law enforcement official close to the investigation told The Associated Press Tuesday. -- Wrestler Benoit strangled wife, smothered son, hung himself in weight room, Associated Press story by Debbie Newby

Proposed text

According to a law enforcement official, Benoit strangled his wife, smothered his son, then hanged himself in his weight room.[2] --Ssbohio 19:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Recommend we wait until the press conference on this; at this point, even though it's attributed to a reliable, verifiable source, it's still speculation on the part of the media and police. Rdfox 76 19:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. We can wait a few more minutes.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 19:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm on CNN right now, and the press conference is going to happen momentarily. My suggestion is to wait until after the conference, and the official press release from it. Relax WiiAlbanyGirl 19:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

After the conference, Yes, I think at that point, you can place that other info into the article as a creditable source. Even if it's already all over the internet, it's common now that everyone thinks Benoit killed them and himself.The Cleveland Browns are awesome! 19:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I just watched it, and all facets of the AP report have been confirmed other than the smothering. He called both "deaths by asphyxiation." The Hybrid 19:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

That's what smothering IS. King of America 19:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but even when specifically asked he refused to specify that he had his mouth covered by some instrument of death, such as a bag or pillow, as opposed to strangulation. The Hybrid 19:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The CBC confirms it. [15] Anchoress 19:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
He actually called all 3 deaths an asphyxiation. No one confirmed a strangulation or a smothering, except that the wife was actually bound at the wrists and feet, and the son did not have blood surrounding him and there was no sign of restraint. There are not many details, except she died Friday, the kid died Saturday and Benoit died on late Saturday by hanging himself with the cord (pulley) of a weight in his weight room. I suppose that this conflicts with the report that Benoit actually called in himself saying he would not be able to report for Vengeance. There is not a lot of information on why this happened, and I'm doubtful that we will ever know who Benoit texted (a co-worker of some sort), and what he said. I think all that should be said is that all three died of asphyxiation. The Fayette County District Attorney also announced that there was a Bible beside each body. This keeps getting ODDER and odder... Should we just put minor details, or that they all died of asphyxiation (who died of murder, and Chris died of Suicide). There is too much speculation now, not much out of this press conference. WiiAlbanyGirl 19:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I would say that Benoit murdered his family by asphyxiation, and then hung himself, causing his own death by asphyxiation. After that we should say that the toxicology reports are pending, and leave it at that. The details of restraints and Bibles don't seem necessary. The Hybrid 19:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I do agree with you for now, but when all details to be released are made known to the public, I do believe that details as to how the son and wife's murder was different (which is apparently was) needs to be stated, as well as how he did commit suicide. This is not speculated, as this has been legally released as fact by the District Attorney of Fayette County, GA. Unless this event will constitute a completely different article, this is going to be a significant part of his image and posthumous legacy, and all relevant details (not necessarily what one deems necessary and what one deems unnecessary) should be included. I'm sure this would include a vote of all editors on Wiki involved. WiiAlbanyGirl 19:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
it's up to the comunity to choose what's relevent and what's not... the bibles speek to his state of mind and should be includedharlock_jds 19:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Very well, we can add all of the details, but I would wait to do so until the toxicology reports are released, personally. If you want to do so sooner I won't fight you, however. I was just stating my opinion, open to be opposed by the general community. Cheers, The Hybrid 19:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

The police stated that Benoit's wife and son had been murdered. they didn't state that he murdered them, that is APPEARED that he had murdered them. i think it is wrong that it is stated that Benoit murdered them, until authorities confirm it. only 3, maybe 4, people know what happened. 3 of them are dead.

News conference sheds new details; incompetent admins keep article locked

News conferences currently being aired and released by reliable sources are shedding new and important details on the deaths of the Benoit family. This article has been locked long enough for simple vandalism. Administrators should know better, but evidently the locking administrator has not learned lesson from previous mistakes. Perhaps a more competent administrator could please unlock the article. Thank you. ~ UBeR 19:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Um, it needs to be locked especially after the press conference. This is a target for extreme vandalism, the vandalism taking place every 30 seconds before it was locked testifies to that, and needs to be protected. And yes, vandalism is a reason for full protection; there is a long history of it. Those who say it isn't have no idea what they are talking about. I would recommend leaving it locked until Saturday morning, personally. The Hybrid 19:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
the va tech killing articles managed to survive without full protection... why is this different?harlock_jds 19:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
because wrestling vandals are complete dicks. Trust me, wrestling articles are usually the ones needing full protection. The Hybrid 19:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
yeah the level of vandalism on these articles on a regular day, would probably warrant a semi-protection for other articles. That being said, there are biographical info that I'd like to add to the article. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 19:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Ramsquire: thats what this talk page is for... post the information you want added, and we'll work it in.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 19:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Personally, I think that you admins are doing a great job. Ignore this angry person, and keep on doing what you're doing ;) The Hybrid 19:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) I really think this page needs to be reduced to semi-protect. One of the things wikipedia is noted for, especially in several news sources after the V Tech Massacre, is speed with which it makes a good, comprehensive, sourced account of new topics. That can't happen if it's fully protected until saturday. It's already ridiculously out of date. Spugmeister 19:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

because no one has asked an admin to update it. ALKIVAR's presence clearly suggests that the admins are waiting on us to come up with what should be added. I'll get to work on that immediately. The Hybrid 19:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Last night there were edits being made (literally) at a rate of 2 per minute, making it practically impossible to revert vandalism without conflicting with legitimate edits. I agree with the full protection. -- Scorpion0422 20:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the protection of the page. Making people wait or forcing patience is a good thing. The edits I want to make are unrelated to the murder and are not major, so I can wait a few days and see if the someone else makes the change. One thing I would suggest is brief mention of the Raw tribute in the death section, and maybe adding a legacy section at some later point. But I can wait to see if it will be necessary. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 20:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Drugs

At the press conference, the police said that they found steroids in the house but they were doing tests to see if Chris had any in his body. They were also saying that his actions could be part of 'roid rage'. It's said that it came to this and he will be remembered for this. (MgTurtle 19:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)).

it should also be noted that the steroids found were from a legal prescription (likely using injury rehab as justification). as for the 'roid range' thing that is still speculation but since the murders took place over the span of a weekend i don't think it can be attributed to 'roid rage'harlock_jds 19:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
However, the Bibles do suggest that he was in a less than stable state of mind. Roid rage may very well be the case, but we mustn't speculate anymore. The Hybrid 19:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
well i think we can safely say he was not in a good state of mind, i just am not quick to jump on 'Roid Rage' as the cause of his mental state.harlock_jds 20:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Tell that to Fox News. They're spitting it out as fact already, but what else is new. They just had a panel on talking about how we have to stop roid usage at all costs in regards to the Benoit incident, even though the toxicology report won't be back for weeks. So yes, let's avoid speculation. Wilhelm Screamer 19:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
It's Fox, of course they're spewing propaganda. I'm just saying that nothing can be ruled out yet. The Hybrid 20:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Ahem, "roid rage" is a myth. Please refer to the wikipedia article on anabolic steroids. UnknownToaster 02:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

That's your opinion, and Wikipedia articles don't claim accuracy in regards to medical issues. Until doctors confirm or throw out the theory, we have a responsibility to keep or minds open. The Hybrid 07:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I was asking the same thing about the Bibles. Why did he put them next to the bodies?BigBoi29 18:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)BigBoi29

Material to add

A press conference taking place on Tuesday, June 26 confirmed that Chris Benoit had murdered his wife and son. Both died of asphyxiation. His wife was bound at the wrists and feet, while there were no signs of restraint on his son. It is reported that his wife died on Friday, his son died on Saturday, and he killed himself Saturday evening or Saturday night. He committed suicide by hanging himself by the cord of a weight machine in his basement, causing him to die of asphyxiation. It was also reported that Bibles were found next to the bodies of Nancy and Daniel. Prescribed anabolic steroids were also found within the house, though toxicology reports are still pending.[3] [4]

Does that work for everyone? The Hybrid 20:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

As long as it's cited to the nines (Ie, find a story that mentions that and cite it), I have no problem with it.

I'm fine with the wording, add a reference or two that backs the major points and I'll add it in.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 20:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

make sure to replace dies with diedharlock_jds 20:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286737,00.html Newsday: http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usbeno0627,0,5059205.story?coll=ny-top-headlines

Both have press conference summaries. Socby19 20:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Socby19
There are plenty of reliable sources at this point (CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, etc.) to verify all of this, it looks good. Wildthing61476 20:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Only change I'd suggest is the final sentence, instead of a Bible by each body, it should be "It was also reported that Bibles were found next to the bodies of Nancy and Daniel." The conference was pretty clear that no bible was found with Chris Benoit. CeladusThrace 20:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Done, including the final sentence. Take it away Alkivar :) The Hybrid 20:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Content added and the bible location was clarified.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 20:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, The Hybrid 20:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

'Chord' should be spelled 'cord', and it should read 'weight machine'. Also, maybe a mention of the steroids found within the house? 'Roid rage has not been confirmed, so just mention that prescribed anabolic steroids were found within the house. Socby19 20:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Socby19

Cord corrected, i am not including mention of steroids until more facts are clear from toxicology. We are not going to get caught up in the reckless speculation that this was 'roid rage. Wikipedia goes on a policy of verifiability. Currently some sources are speculating about steroids, not speaking w/ any factual backing. At this point all we know is that there was medication found in the house, all of it "appears" to be legally prescribed.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 20:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
should we say his son Daniel instead of just his son? i know he had other children but i don't know if he had any other sons.harlock_jds 20:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The last sentence clarifies who it was The Hybrid 20:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

cord of a weight machine Socby19 20:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Socby19

death date

the article says he died on june 25th but in the death section it says he killed himself sometime either on saturday or early sunday...when did he die anyway? user:sub619 20:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Autopsy has not confirmed time of death yet.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 20:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
It is known that he killed himself before Monday though, the sheriff did says the autoposy showed it to be Saturday or possible early Sunday. TJ Spyke 06:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

well can we put the death date c.June 24 2007? §UB619! 14:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

the info box on the left needs to be change to reflect the 24th also. Babehs 15:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Concerning steroids...

This article should make positive statements concerning the actual cause of his committing these horrible acts when it does become unprotected or if an admin makes the edits. The police have stated that they have found Anabolic steroids at the crime scene and numerous people in the media have been postulating as to whether or not "Roid rage" caused him to lose his mind. It can be stated that it has been "postulated that Anabolic steroids were a contributing factor" however it should also be mentioned that the scientific evidence supporting "Roid rage" is nill. The studies that have been done concerning steroids and aggressive have shown little or no effects on angry behavior or psychosis. Most of the larger professional wrestlers are steroid users and as are thousands of professional bodybuilders worldwide, The rate of psychosis or aggression among them isn't any higher than among the normal population. Most studies on "Roid rage" have shown that either it's effects are minimal or it doesn't even exist. See [[16]], [[17]] and [[18]]. Wikidudeman (talk) 20:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Here's a new article by ESPN on the Murder & Steroid connection. ESPN: Steroids discovered in probe of slayings, suicide. "In an interview with ESPN.com on Tuesday, Ballard indicated that the boy had needle marks in his arms. The district attorney said he believed that the boy had been given growth hormones for some time because the family considered him undersized."--Hndsmepete 00:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
That could be why he had steroids in his home. Wikidudeman (talk) 08:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Georgia

Alkivar, can you edit the section in death and change the disambiguation of the link for Georgia? It currently says:

"[[Fayette County, Georgia|Fayette County]], [[Georgia]] police are investigating Benoit's house..."

it needs to say:

"[[Fayette County, Georgia|Fayette County]], [[Georgia (U.S. state)|Georgia]] police are investigating Benoit's house..."

Thanks. — Moe ε 20:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Done.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 21:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Actually, it should be 1 link: "[[Fayette County, Georgia]] police are investigating Benoit's house..." TJ Spyke 21:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Actually, we should link the county and the state unless you have some reason not to. — Moe ε 21:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Theres no reason to have seperate links. It would be like having [[World Wrestling Entertainment|WWE]], [[WWE Championship|Championship]] when talking about the WWE Championship. TJ Spyke 22:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
It's common to do this with locations. — Moe ε 22:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
From what i've seen, it's only being done by a bot and I have expressed my disagreement on the talkpage of the bot. TJ Spyke 06:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Category

Could an admin add this to the list of categories for Benoit? Category:Sportspeople who committed suicide, since it's been confirmed that he hung himself. TJ Spyke 21:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

That, along with Category:Canadian murderers, Category:Murderers of children, Category:Murder-suicide. It's a damn shame; Benoit was off the chain... D4S 02:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
And also this category: Category:Suicides by hanging. It's all confirmed now from reliable sources. It should be updated as soon as IMO. Lugnuts 04:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Table of contents...

Can someone fix it so there is a table of contents for skipping to the specific post? Thanks. Wikidudeman (talk) 21:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Done.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 21:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
What did you change to make it show up? Wikidudeman (talk) 21:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

You add the text __TOC__.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 21:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Info to add

{{editprotected}} I see this has been mentioned a couple of times on the talk page, but is still not mentioned in the article. Nancy filed for divorce from Benoit, but later dropped the case. I think the following should be added to the article. It includes a source from SportsIllustrated.com in conjecture with CNN.com:

In 2003, Nancy filed for divorce from Benoit, citing the marriage as "irrevocably broken" and alleging "cruel treatment."[5] She later dropped the suit, as well as the restraining order filed on her husband.[5]

I'm not sure if this info should go in the personal life or death portion of the article. What do others think? Nikki311 21:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Possibly in the death section, as it is mentioned in almost every article as a foreshadowing of the tragic murder.--Hndsmepete 00:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

There is another discussion thread on this issue: #Why no mention that his wife filed for a divorce in 2003?. Nikki311 17:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Done. I added the text to the personal life section. It seems like speculation and bias to put it in the death section. Cheers. --MZMcBride 18:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

WWE.com Profile link no longer works

The Benoit WWE.com profile link now leeds to a "Not Found" page. Time to remove it. Maxwell795 21:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the link to his bio still works (http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/superstars/chrisbenoit/bio), but everything else is gone. As for how he's being treated, it's wrong everyone looks at him now as only a murderer and almost refuse to acknowledge the good things he did in his career. I'm definitely in the minority here, but I still respect him as a professional wrestler. What he did to his family is wrong, and I'm sorry that it happened and that this is what his "legacy" is. Mike 01:29, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


I will confirm that this bio page is still working as of today Wednesday...It's still up but all other references are off WWE.com.The Cleveland Browns are awesome! 13:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Minor edits in new paragraph

A few minor edits for the new paragraph today under the "Death section". The paragraph begins with "During a press conference Tuesday". The following minor edits should be made:

  • A wikilink for June 26
  • A wikilink for district attorney, and uncapitalize both the words "district" and "attorney" as they are not proper nouns
  • Switch "killed" to "murdered", it's more formal as killing is broad.
  • A wikilink to asphyxiation
  • A wikilink for hanging
  • A wikilink for weight machine
  • A wikilink for Bible

Admin help please? Thank you! — Moe ε 21:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Links added.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 22:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey, since we're suggesting changes...how 'bout changing the death date to what's actually being reported and not Monday, since they said that the death date was Saturday the 23rd or the morning of Sunday the 24th. Salisbury Steak (complaint dept. - contribs) 23:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
It was originally reported as Monday, but later sources pushed the dates back a little furthur, theres no harm in it. We just need to change the pretense of the sentence to signify that. — Moe ε 23:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm inclined to wait til the autopsy result is made public, then we'll have an more accurate time of death.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 23:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
It certainly wasn't Saturday. WWE.com posted an article about the text messages he sent, which were in the wee hours of the morning Sunday, likely (but that's my own speculation) moments before he hanged himself. Nosleep1234 02:44, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Applauds!

I have to give a rousing applauds to the admins for handling this untimely and horrible story very well and keeping it from getting out of hand quickly. Let this be an example on how to handle such a story like this. --Raderick 22:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Seconded. Fatjabba 00:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I disagree it allows a admin's personal feelings to control the POV of an article. Totally locking down an article like this is pointless and harmful to wikipedia. The Nancy Daus article seems to be doing fine with it's simi protection.harlock_jds 12:37, 27 June 2007 (UTC)