Talk:Chris Benoit/Archive 1

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Pictures

Why does someone keep removing the pictures from the page?

Title reign tables, etc

I made tables for the Title reign part, hope that's okay. --80.130.190.53 21:17, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

As the author of the Title History section, I think that the tables are horrible. I didn't make it that way because it's ugly for anyone that has low screen resolutions. They are also harder to read in my opinion. At least, with my presentation of the information, they were easy and straight forward to read.

Eric42 02:10, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Finally created an account here, I'm the one who made the tables. Well, I think that my version of the Title History looks better and is better to read. But maybe I'm the only one who thinks that way? I'd like to hear other opinions.

I changed the look of the tables a bit, do they look okay?

**Title Reigns**
What	Who	When	Where
Extreme Championship Wrestling
World Tag Team Title (with Dean Malenko)
Defeated	Sabu & Tazmaniac	February 25, 1995	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Lost to	Public Enemy¹	April 8, 1995	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Token 01:09, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I have made two versions of the "Title History" tables now. You can see the other one at Stone Cold Steve Austin. I think the table in Austins article is a bit long. The table in Benoits article might be unfriendly for users with lower resolutions. What do you think which table should be used for the Title Histories for the wrestlers? --Token 12:54, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Do you really need a mini-paragraph for every PPV title event Benoit has? I mean, in a year, is anyone going to care that Benoit had a US title match against Orlando Jordan at the Great American Bash?

Having a detailed account of every Benoit appearance on SmackDown! is not only tedious, it's unnecessary. - PhilTLL 02:23, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Benoit having "Super Tombstone Piledriver" as a Benoit does regularly, um, no. At one time, a very long time ago, he was doing piledrivers as part of his moveset, but he hasn't done a piledriver, super or otherwise, in many years, dating even well before the ban on dangerous moves in WWE. At this point, anyone who even knows that Benoit did a piledriver at one time should be rewarded for their knowledge of very miniscule trivia. I'm removing it. Someone can consider adding it in as trivia if they like. --Pathogen 03:33, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Quotes I WILL MAKE YOU TAP OUT come on he says that! 130.111.98.241 21:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC) err

I think Benoit does actually have the record for the longest time in the Royal Rumble. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Rumble#Royal_Rumble_Records -- ToneLa

IMO, the Personal Life section needs a little bit of an overhaul. There's the background as to what led to him and Nancy having an affair (Kevin Sullivan told them to travel and appear in public together to maintain kayfabe, to the point of having Nancy grope Chris in bars) leading to the various "Kevin Sullivan booked his own divorce" comments over the years, Nancy changing her name legally to Nancy Benoit (I'm 99% sure of this, as Dave Meltzer, who's friends with Benoit, exclusive refers to her as "Nancy Benoit"), and I'm pretty sure he and Nancy had a second child together. --David Bix 20:18, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

At the end of the World Wrestling Entertainment section (where it discusses Benoit's neck injury) it states Chris injured his neck in a match with X-Pac. However, I remember reading a quote by Benoit himself where he stated that he actually injured it in a match with Austin (while taking a stunner) and the superplex in the Triple Threat at KoTR simply injured him further. Can anyone verify this? --82.18.174.21 01:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Factual verifications

What nees factual verfication? Everything looks right to me.

Clearing something up

"Chris Benoit is the only person to win a Iron Man Match for the World Heavyweight Championship Belt. "

Can anyone tell what were talking about here? I don't remember him ever being in an ironman match and he didn't win his Heavyweight championship in an ironman match.

RAW, July 26, 2004. Benoit defended the World Title successfully against Triple H in a sixty-minute Iron Man match, winning 4 falls to 3. This has so far been the only Iron Man match involving the World Heavyweight Championship (though there have been a few non-title and a few WWF/E Championship matches that were Iron Man matches), so therefore the statement's true.

And the sentence doesn't necessarily follow that Benoit won the title in the Iron Man match, just that he won an Iron Man match that was for the title. However, I can see why that sentence might be confusing, so I'll add a little bit at the end of it. ekedolphin 05:51, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Chris Benoit doesn't have the record for being in the Royal Rumble the longest. Rey Mysterio now holds the record.

Benoit didn't win the World Heavyweight Championship in the an Iron Man match. He retained the World Heavyweight Championship in an Iron Man match. There is a difference.
fishhead2100 12:02 26 April 2006 (UTC)

US title in succession table

WWE considers Benoit to simply be a "4-time United States champion," making no distinction between when he won it as a WCW sanctioned title and as a WWE sanctioned title. Should the succession table reflect this? Tromboneguy0186 22:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

'The title history on WWE.com considers it to be one unbroken lineage, and the same title reguardless of promotion69.9.31.132 17:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Rolling Germans Name

I don't think anyone's officially named Benoit's Rolling German Suplexes. They're referred to as the Trifecta, but I don't think that's necessarily the term.

I've always heard and called it a Triple German Suplex(es?). Probably doesnt mean anything though.

I've heard it called by all of those names, depending on the announcer. As long as it's clear what move it is (three linked standard german suplexes, not the vertical kind) I think it's clear enough. Also, please sign your comments on talk pages. --SevereTireDamage 07:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I've also heard sevral people call it the hat trick69.9.31.132 17:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The "Rolling German Suplexes" name was from his tenure in WCW,I think. It was the WCW announcers (probably Tenay) who called it that. --Marikina

The "Rolling German Suplexes" do not have an official name and a name should not be posted on his page "Every dog has his day." 12:43, 23 March 2007 (UTC) (VampyriViper)

When Benoit does three rolling german suplexes then the commentator will often say that he is "going for the hat trick", but this is just a way of saying three, just like "a brace" can mean two, and "a dozen" means twelve. This does not mean the move is call The Hat Trick, is is just a way of saying three. Stop amending the name. Darrenhusted 14:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

WCW World Title info

Technically, Benoit DID hold the WCW World Title after Souled Out 2000, but he forfeited the title upon leaving WCW. Duo02 *Shout here!** 01:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

With all due respect to Benoit, I believe he is one of the top 10 in ring performers ever, but the first WCW world Title needs to have a question mark. Replays showed that Sid Eudy's foot was in the ropes when Benoit applyed the Crippler Crossface to him, meaning he should have released the hold. Nowadays, Benoit fans (and the WWE themselves) claim that he forfeited the WCW title because he was leaving for WWE, however this is not accurate. The night after Souled Out, WCW booker, and enemy of Benoit's, Kevin Sullivan, stripped Benoit of the title because of Sid'd foot being in the rops, makin his submission to the crossface void. This was the last straw for Benoit, who then left WCW seeing that he would get nowhwere as long as Sullivan was in charge.

Benoit was given the belt in order to stop him leaving for WWF. He went anyway and offered to drop the belt in the ring rather than just forfitting it. However WCW didnt reply so he left the belt and the company. Then Benoit went to WWF and WCW claimed to have stripped him of the belt despite him already have left the company. It was revisionist history for WCW and many people seem to have mixed up the timeline. user: Darkie

4

This isn't really article stuff, but has anyone noticed that since he ran with the Horsemen Benoit has had the number 4 on his tights in some way? Or am I crazy? Bdve 19:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

At least during his WWE run, it was because of one of his catch phrases, "4 Real". --SevereTireDamage 07:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I remember Benoit having a 4-looking design on his tights in WCW, him and Dean Malenko. I think it may have something to do with them being part of the 4 Horsemen. It may also have something to do with the 4 design Brian Pillman was using in ECW. It is shown in the Brain Pillman: Loose Cannon DVD. Dreamer61898 08:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Injury legit?

Is benoit actually injured? If so they should fire Mark Henry, as he has legit injured two prominent members of the roster.69.9.31.132 17:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Contrary to belief Mark Henry never actually caused the injurie. He did however make Batista's and Angle's worse, BUT they were already injured.

Actually, Mark Henry did injure Batista, but it happened at a house show. WWE had to do something so they wouldn't have to say it happened at a house show, so they said Henry did it when slamming the cage door into Batista.JAY HARPER 01:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Billed From

Why does it not say that he is billed from Edmonton?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Killswitch Engage (talk • contribs)

Because when he wrestles he is billed from Atlanta, Georgia. It's been a few years since they billed him from Edmonton. TJ Spyke 22:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Last WM Main Event to end in submission

Isn't this no longer true? I thought Cena made HHH tap with the STFU?69.9.29.132 17:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I get it. Misread the statement. I added a statement in parentheses.69.9.29.132 17:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Summary?

Is it at all possible to give an overall summary of Benoit like many other articles about wrestlers?

What do you mean? That is what an article is. What do you think needs to be added? -- The Hyb rid 15:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

In other wrestling articles, there is a brief summary of the person at the top that does not have anything to do with their history. Before the article starts, could there be a brief synopsis of Chris Benoit as a wrestler?

Something like "Benoit is known as an extremely technically adept and hard-hitting wrestler." would work. 74.70.185.44 03:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Chris Benoit Finishers

I never saw Chris Benoit used the Dragon Suplex as his finisher

He used it in the real ECW and WCW. -- T H L 16:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Benoit used the Dragon Suplex in ECW and WCW. Now he uses it on a irregular basis. He used it on Regal in his comeback match, but not as a finisher. (Jam)

I never saw chris benoit do a flipping relaese german suplex. Not in WCw or ECw. Only if it was botched

I've seen him do it in the WWE on purpose. -- The Hyb rid 03:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Benoit uses the Release German Suplex on a semi-regular basis, it depends on how heavy his opponnent is. He also uses it in squash matches. (Jam)

Did chris benoit ever do a tombstone pile driver in wwf/ wwe.

He did it in WCW. In the WWE basically no one is allowed to do a tombstone piledriver other then the Undertaker and Kane. -- The Hyb rid 15:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Benoit did do the elevated boston crab. Back in his first run in WCW, he would commonly use it in matches, where he would lift up his opponents lower bodies to near his chest. Proof of this is on his DVD, where he talkes about his matches with 2 Cold Scorpio. Also, regarding the criss-cross choke, Tazz had said that he used that as a signature move at Judgment Day 2006 against Finlay.

We should name the diving headbutt, Air Benoit because when ever he uses it the announcer's always say "HE's going for Air Benoit" or something along those lines.

the headbutt should not be named "air Benoit' because I have heard the anouncers call it this twice. Also, there are no interveiws or websites that quote that this is the name.

Ancestors

Chris Benoit is of French-Canadian descents, but he doesn't speak french. Thus he doesn't apply to either the French-Canadian or the French-Quebecer category.

Just because he doesn't speak french doesn't mean french-canadian and french-quebec isn't in his heritage. -- Mikedk9109 (hit me up) 21:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I definitely agree. He's from a French-Canadian area and on top of that he has a French name. Benoit (note the pronounciation.) (Jam)

Sorry

I hit the wrong button and accidentally gave you a vandal warning. Sorry! Jerry lavoie 01:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Air Benoit??

Each time Benoit does his diving headbutt, JBL calls t air Benoit. Shouldn't that be put as the name of this move? 205.151.6.33 17:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Uh...no. The move isn't referred to as Air Benoit, it's a diving headbutt. He's just going about how Benoit is going to fly, or the opponent is going to get "sent to hell, courtesy of Air Benoit" or something like that. Anakinjmt 19:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

The move has being referred to as Air Benoit the last few weeks on commentary so it should be listed as it is the new name for the move. Odd as it has been named Diving Headbutt for like 10 years. I think a slash is the best way to go to show that it is referred to as both--24.184.173.132 21:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Please stop changing Air Benoit it's the new name for the move. It doesn't matter if it's been called Diving Headbutt for 10 or 15 years. JBL has started to call it as such. Shelton Benjamins page has his Stinger Splash under Shelton Splash due to it being called such recently. Same goes with Randy Orton having Ronnie Garvin Stomp under Randy Orton Stomp, because it's noted as such on commentary. If you can give a reason please on why to edit it out, respond but don't edit it out without responding.--24.184.169.37 07:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

The stinger splash is named after Sting, and has been for 17 years. As for the "Randy Orton" stomp, that's a different matter which has nothing to do with the Chris Benoit page, save it for the Randy Orton page. Darrenhusted 11:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I know what the stinger splash is and who its named after. I was trying to make an example of the name of a move being changed by a commentator. Shelton Benjamin has been wrestling for WWE for a number of years and the announcers have always called the move the Stinger Splash until recently when Jim Ross started calling his move Shelton Splash, same goes for Randy Orton and the Ronnie Garvin Stomp being renamed by Jim Ross. The move names on their pages to show the name page. JBL has been calling Benoit's diving headbutt Air Benoit for about over a month. I don't see why everybody wants to edit it out, it's the new name for the move. It's not like I made it up as it has been called that numerous times by Smackdown! commentator JBL.--24.184.173.132 13:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Records Area

I thought when Benoit WON the United States championship from Orlando Jordan was in 25.5 seconds.

That was the second match, or maybe the third. The first was 23 something. Peace, -- The Hyb rid 01:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

But it said it was the shortest match when the championship SWITCHED hands.

Royal Rumble

"He holds the record for most consecutive minutes all time in the Royal Rumble before being eliminated, lasting a total of 1:49:00 starting when he entered #1 in the 2004 Rumble and ending when he was eliminated in the Royal Rumble 2005 after being one of the two men to start it."

This is crap trivia. Lasting a certain length of time without elimination in two matches that take place a year apart is something that no one cares about and is ample evidence that trivia sections on Wikipedia are getting ridiculous. --137.81.113.27 22:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Content

I removed some content from the In Wrestling section that was unencylcopedic and not cited. Stuff like saying somebody blows their nose on a person they don't like or mentions of sloat slashing is not exactly encyclopedic unless it is cited. And no other wrestler has a "Wrestling Styles" section in their profile. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AlexaHughes (talk • contribs) 15:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

Junior Heavyweight Championship

I figured I might as well address this because I don't want to get an edit war started. Chris Benoit never won the WWF Junior Heavyweight Championship because the WWF stopped using the title in 1985 with The Cobra winning the title for the last time on July 28, 1985. New Japan Pro Wrestling would go on to create the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship with Shiro Koshinaka winning the title in a tournament approximately 11 months after the WWF retired their title. On August 19, 1990 Benoit would win the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship going under the name of the Pegasus Kid. The WWF Junior Heavyweight Championship has no connection to the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship. They don't share the same lineage. If you don't want to take my word for it, check the whole thing out on wrestling-titles.com. Or, just look at the Wikipedia articles. Each title has it's own seperate article.Odin's Beard 02:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Benoit held the WWF Light Heavyweight Title, not the junior title. It was created by the WWF for the UWA and stayed there after the promotions stopped working together. --David Bixenspan 15:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Legacy

Do you think we should add a legacy section to his article. I mean he is considered by many to be one of the greatest of all time and he is probably the best technical of all time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.45.185.117 (talk) 23:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC).

VOTE: Suplex vs Sharpshooter

Which image is more sufficient? The suplex or the sharpshooter? You VOTE:

Image:Sharpshooter 05.jpg

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Benoit perfoming a German suplex on MVP.

Zenlax 05:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I say the one with the German Suplex because you can actually tell it from the picture. With the sharpshooter the only way to tell is with the caption. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.45.185.117 (talk • contribs).

Suplex. The Sharpshooter is too blury, especially if it gets cropped. That being said, it might do well in Sharpshooter (professional wrestling). -- Oakster Talk 12:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Tough decision. They both kinda illustrate what their doing. BATMAN rules677 19:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

fail GA

Sorry, I can't pass this as a good article - mainly because there is too much information and is badly written. The section about his early career has no structure - it looks like random facts were just strung together, with no regard to proper paragraphs.

The intro needs to have more information - it should provide a quick summing-up of the article, for someone who just wants to glance through for information.

The body of the article doesn't need ot include every title bout he has had, I don't think - major feuds and non-kayfabe information is much more beneficial.

Sorry, I'm failing this.--Macca7174 06:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Editing

I added back the personal life section to make the Early Career section more flowing, and gave these unassorted facts a banner.

WWF World Light Heavyweight Championship

I removed that title from the championships and accomplishments section because it's not a recognized reign. While Benoit is listed at winning this championship on www.wrestling-titles.com, it's irrelevant. Under the championship history of this particular title on WWE.com, none of the champions that won this title are listed in the official history prior to Taka Michinoku winning it in 1997. Therefore, the WWE doesn't recognize any of the championship reigns before this time period.Odin's Beard 01:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

It was a WWF title, they just forgot that it existed. WWE constantly flip-flops on things like recognizing Antonio Inoki as a former WWF champion so their view shouldn't necessarily be considered. The NWA didn't officially recognize various title reigns (the New Zealand/Singpore and Carribean switches) that did actually happen. It should be included with a notation. --David Bixenspan 15:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't a WWF Title, it was the WWWF (note the three W's) Light Heavyweight Championship, which was an IWGP Championship at the time he won it (by winning the 1994 Super J Cup Tournament). IWGP recognizes this reign, and I am putting it back into the article. Bmg916^Speak 15:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

He didn't win it in the J-Cup, he won it on 3/3/91 in Naucalpan, DF, Mexico according to all title histories I could find. Also, the title was launched in 1981, so it was always a WWF title, as the WWWF to WWF name change was in 1979. --David Bixenspan 15:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

We (including myself) are confusing the WWF Light Heavyweight championship in this case, for the WWWF Junior Heavyweight championship, which he won at the J Cup. I have corrected this in the article (Under IWGP). Bmg916^Speak 15:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Source? It's not in any title histories on Wikipedia or elsewhere. --David Bixenspan 15:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

1994 Super J Cup Results Wikipedia page, has it, but you are right David, he won the WWF Light Heavyweight Title in 91, and according to the history of the WWWF/NJPW/IWGP (it gets somewhat confusing I guess), he won that Junior Heavyweight Championship in 1990, not 1994. It appears we are all wrong in some form, but the right thing to do here would be to remove it (and correct the 1994 Super J Cup Page?), I apologize. Bmg916^Speak 16:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

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