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Proposal

Hello. I saw that you are a member of the Templates project, and thought it would be good to bring this to your attention. I have made a proposal that would take care of the userbos issues and the general clutter of the Template namespace. Please see it here and make comments conserning it. Thank you for your time. SadanYagci 14:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Pound sterling

Thanks for the explanation of the revert. Hadn't looked at the infobox page properly - although in my defence, I did look at the Bank of England statistics and noticed that the value of issued £50 is greater than the value of £5, which I thought must count for something! GDallimore (Talk) 13:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

It's ok. So is the bank's figure in £ or the number of notes? If it's in £, then you would need to divide 10 for £50 to be fair. What constitutes "frequently" and "rarely" is sometimes still a subject of debate, despite the fact that I've tried very hard to lay out a well defined criteria. If you're still interested, see Talk:Swedish krona#Rarity, Talk:Euro#Rarely Used vs. Frequently Used, Talk:United States dollar#Rarity of $50 bill. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 13:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, the number of notes £50 issued is far less than the number of £5 notes, but only about 8 to 9 times less, so the actual monetary amount of the £50 notes is slightly greater. I think the criteria are nicely defined and make a lot of sense, so I have no complaints. My only suggestion would be to use a different word that "rarely" in the infobox or to make the criteria more prominent to stop do-gooders like me making random edits :) GDallimore (Talk) 14:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

More categories to review

DRV, SFD, SFD. (Thank you last time.) - Privacy 18:26, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Template:Currencies of Oceania

I removed Template:Currencies of Oceania from Category:Circulating currencies beacuse of Ingrid’s concern voiced here. She was advocating removing templates from main namespace categories. Template:WorldCurrencies is the only currency template in the category because it contains templates that automatically link in to the category page (i.e. all pages with Temp:Currencies of Africa link to Cat:Circulating currencies). – Zntrip 03:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Nerver mind, I didn't see the removed line was in noinclude. I'm sorry about taking your time. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 03:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Don’t worry, about it, it was not a waste of time. After all, “Time Is on My Side”. – Zntrip 03:19, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Re "Template and |"

Hi again Chochopk,

Do you have some automated way to turn something like

{{SomeTemplate |
a = b |
cde = fgh |
}}

to

{{SomeTemplate
| a = b
| cde = fgh
}}

I have been doing this manually, and would appreciate much if you share your secret!

No secret, really; it's either by copy-replace in a word processor, by hand, or I've sometimes managed to coax WP:AWB into making these sorts of edits, although not consistently. Hope you're enjoying more non-Wikipedia time!  Best wishes, David (talk) 03:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
PS Re that Navbox generic / Navigation templates thread somewhere, I meant to add that Navigation variants such as {{Navigation with columns}} would need converting into Navbox generic if Navbox generic were to become the standard. I haven't noticed any "official" discussion about Navigation vs. Navbox generic, however...

Template:Peso

Clever! One-place change that solves it all! --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 00:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't my idea. It finally occurred to me to post to the help desk. I know it's usually for newbie questions, but I thought it wouldn't hurt to ask. Someone showed me that trick (which I still don't fully understand). Ingrid 13:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

With {{#if:{{NAMESPACE}}||[[Category:Cent]]}}, {{NAMESPACE}} evaluates to "Talk" on an article talk page, it evaluates to blank on an article. #if: evaluates to true on non-empty string, and false on empty string. So [[Category:Cent]] would be present if {{NAMESPACE}} is blank. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 03:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

DRV

[1] Michael G. Davis 21:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Philippine piso

I know you're taking a well earned break but, when you "get back", please take a look at Philippine piso as we're going through a piso/peso debate. We really need to get ISO4217 off the style page. How do we go about doing that?
Dove1950 23:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Reflist question

I noticed that you went to all the trouble of changing the <div class="references-small"> style codes to {{Reflist|2}} type of codes. What is the difference?

Vala M 02:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Using {{reflist}} has some advanatage over <div class="references-small"><references/></div>

• It's shorter
• With {Reflist|2}}, the references are shown in 2 columns in Firefox, which reduces vertical scroll. But it doesn't work in IE.
• If people decide to change the style one day, replacing the existing style class="references-small", then they only need to update the template, not every article that uses it. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 02:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

And nice name =) --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 02:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation and info. Thanks for the compliment about my name! You have a very organized user page and user talk page. I love the blue on the talk page.

Vala M 13:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Circulating/Obsolete

Some of the templates still shows the old wording Current/Defunct like Template:Rupee, while some others have been updated to Circulating/Obsolete like Template:Dollar. What's the latest standard? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 03:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I was working through them, making sure I had all of them, correct capitalization, local names and alternate names. Other things (real life) came up, and I'm not quite done revising User:mom2jandk/List of currencies which will help me make sure everything's there. I'll try to get to it in the next couple of days. Sorry to leave it half-done. I'm still struggling to find balance with wikipedia and real life (wikipedia is usually much more fun than all the stuff I should be doing, like right now :) It reminds me though, I wanted to talk to you. That page in my user space doesn't list the countries, and all currency articles are referenced by their actual page name. So, related changes gives you a watchlist of currency articles. I thought you might find that helpful. Also, I want to create a template for the yen/yuan, and wondered if the hwan, wen, won, and/or yang should be included? And did you see that I created Template:Denominations to help check for consistency? Ingrid 16:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I can totally understand the pressure of real life. I am also busy on that too. No pressure =). The related change is a good idea, as the currency unit articles are the "core" articles of this project. Perhaps when the list is done, we can add the related change to the project home page. On yuan/yen, I have to tell you that wen and yang are *not* etymologically the same word as yuan/yen/won/hwan. Funny, 27 grams of 90% pure silver can be referred as so many names, yuan, yen, dollar, peso, and thaler. I did see Template:Denominations by accident. I think Template:Escudo can be deployed, as it is less complex than pound. Pound required more scrutiny and peer review, as it involves lira, livre, and libra (I believe there was a Mozambican libra at some point?). --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 22:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

ISO 4217

Thanks for editting the style guide. In my naivity, I though we had to go through some kind of formal process, hence my not having done it earlier. Can I suggest that the ISO 4217 name is added to the infobox template for those cases where it doesn't match the real name?
Dove1950 15:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

What about an "alternative unit" attribute? For Lebanese lira, it would be livre and pound. And also "alternative subunit" (qirsh v.s. piastre)? Where do you think these attributes should be placed (i.e. in between which and which row)? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 19:58, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

East African shilling

I've been working on this article, just for fun (I know, I'm supposed to be finishing the denomination templates, but sometimes I need a change of focus). Anyway, next time you're looking for something to do, would you mind looking at it? I'd appreciate any thoughts or advice, especially about formatting, improving the infobox, and adding coins/banknotes tables. I've never dealt with images, and don't want to waste my time putting them on en if they belong on commons or vice versa. I'll look into it and see what I can figure out, but I know you've done a lot, so thought you might be able to save me some time. Ingrid 22:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar and navigation boxes

Thanks for the barnstar. I have followed the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Navigational templates#Style guideline for footer templates and agree that some consolidation of those templates is in order. I will keep an eye on that page and join in if I have something to add. -- Zyxw 06:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Unicode

Thanks for catching that. I've corrected it. -Will Beback · † · 20:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Central Bank of China

Trouble has arisen. Please reply back when you return. Thanks. TingMing 05:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Central Bank of China

The Central Bank of China issue needs to be addressed. Since you have seen the previous information given by Alex678, please have a say in the process. Also, you moved the page to Central Bank of China before. Please reply on talk page of the article and give your input. I have reputable authoritiave sources, but those TIers are citing only Pro-green newspapers. TingMing 08:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

The discussion is going no where. The CBC has only changed one line and people are warring all over it. I have given them so many government sources about the Central Bank of China, but they refuse to listen.TingMing 03:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Standardising currency symbols redirects

I've just added an idea to record some standardisations at [2] based on your comments there. Tell me what you think. Thanks -- Chris Wood 19:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Views on U.S. Currency

I just read your post on Blogspot at [3], and let me just say, your views are pretty much the same as me. While in Europe, I (and my friends) realized just how crappy our system of currency is, and since then I've been hoping for some change. Ideally, the currency would have many of the suggestions you made, but still have national individuality, and shouldn't be exactly like the Euro. After all, we're all the way across the pond. BirdValiant 03:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your support. My blog is still at its infant stage, so I need to understand where my readers come from. Can I ask you how you found out about it? Thanks. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 05:40, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I was just on google looking for websites that promoted the $2 bill or $1 coins. I just picked up ten of each about a half an hour ago :-) . —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BirdValiant (talk • contribs) 21:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC).

Yes I would agree, even though I dont live in the U.S, Aussie money could do with some change as well. I will continue to read your blog as it is very interesting. Enlil Ninlil 05:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Unicode

Hey, I was hoping you could help me. I would like to find the unicode for the Greek Iota, most specifically like Image:Greek uc iota.png (first choice) or Image:Greek lc iota.png (second). It's for my sig. I know most people see the "I" as a line instead of an I, the greek letter should add a nice touch. Anyways, if you could please, thanks. Joe I 07:00, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

The capital Greek letter iota is Ι, which will most likely render like Latin I. Iota's unicode number is 0399 in hexadecimal or 921 decimal so alternatively you can type &#x399; or &#921; and your browser will render the same character. But if your concern is that the I is only a straight line, which is very hard to click, then it's a font problem. Try

Joe I

This should work on most systems. At least it does on Windows. Too bad I don't have a Mac to verify. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 22:16, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, that worked great. But is there an easier way to fit the color in? I tried putting it with the font family but didn't work, I must of done something wrong. [[User:Searchme|<span style="color: #808080">Joe</span>]] <span style="font-family: Monospace, Times">[[User talk:Searchme|<span style="color: #C0C0C0">I</span>]]</span> Joe I 02:56, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. Try this

• [[User:Searchme|<span style="color: #808080">Joe</span>]] [[User talk:Searchme|<span style="font-family: Monospace, Times; color: #C0C0C0">I</span>]] which renders
• Joe I

--ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 03:07, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, I know I'm a pain, but the font change was fun, so I decided to do it all. <span style="font-family: Monospace, Times">[[User:Searchme|<span style="color: #808080">Joe</span>]] [[User talk:Searchme|<span style="color: #C0C0C0">I</span>]]</span> Is that the best way? Joe I 03:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, this seems to be the best way. IMHO, it would look nicer if "I" were bolded (; font-weight: bold;). But it's your signature, it's completely up to you. =) --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 03:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think you're right. Good work, thanks alot. :) Joe I 03:27, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the congrats. If there's anything you need, just lemme know. :) Joe I 05:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

2 cents / 25 cents

Why did you restore Note that some of these currencies may not be dollars - would it not be as accurate to say Note that some of these currencies may not be euros? Similarly any number of variations. The preceding sentence makes it clear that there's a number of currecies to which this applies. Pseudomonas_(talk) 18:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

In your edit summary, you said you wanted to avoid being US-centric. This is exactly what I've been trying to do since the beginning. Readers of the English Wikipedia would often think of "cent" as the subunit of "dollar". But there are more. And IMHO, it wouldn't be inappropriate to call that out since the main unit of cent is often "dollar". This is like the header of South African Republic. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 19:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Re Template:Collapsible option

Hi again Chochopk,

I found out about this template by accident. I believe I've done something similar like this {{Numismatic navigational template notice}}. Do you think they should merge? There are a few small differences.

User:Fabartus certainly thinks so (see original thread) and I'd also say it seems sensible.

# I use the word "expanded", you use "uncollapsed", although anything that is not collapsed or autocollapse have the same effect.

# In the nav boxes, I implement with

{{{state<includeonly>|desiredDefaultState</includeonly>}}}

so that the template always shows its content when viewed by itself...

Re your second point, I've left each template in its default state on its own page so that default state is apparent when the page is first loaded. I realize this assumes that's what folk are likely to think/assume, i.e. that a template's appearance on its own page may be taken as its defualt state, but if you think otherwise and/or believe a template is best expanded/uncollapsed on its own page regardless of its default state, that's fine by me. Yours, David (talk) 23:12, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

rate rate rate

Can you rate my Userpage?? Just tell me how u like. I tried really hard on it. Look in all my sandboxes too! Thanx you're a doll! ~FonzieBabyBEATLES RULE!!! go fonz! 18:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

More template help

Hey, would you mind taking a look at Template:WikiProject Indiana? There's a comment on the talk page. I had some else look at it, but I'm not real sure about his answer. I would like it to look like the numismaticnotice, that's fairly simple and I can almost understand it all. :) I think the comments section was messing me up, but I would like to keep it. Thanks if you could. Joe I 18:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Just want to let you know I have not forgotten about this. Instead of fixing one instance (Project Indiana), I will try to fix all by introducing a root template. Currently I'm still trying to catch up on my watch list. I will need your help on identifying the key features and obscure cases of these project banners, since you seem to be doing this a lot. You can track my watch list progress in my to-do box, the second time stamp (in UTC-7). When it catches up with "now", that means I'm done. If I forget about it, please remind me. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 22:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Currency exchange rates

Hi Chochopk. Thanks for your message. Your system sounds sensible to me and I have no objection to it. The reason why I standardized the Scandinavian entries is that the three currencies DKK, SEK and NOK were all established due to a monetary union, so there is a close historical link (1873-1914), even more so since our languages are mutually understandable. A second issue was the traditional "sibling rivalry" between the three Scandinavian nations, so when I saw two of the three currencies listed in one place, it was simply easier to add the third right away, to avoid somebody's feelings getting roughed. It would make sense to me to include links to currencies that have strong historical relations to each other; most notably linking the Czech (CZK) and Slovak (SKK) crowns. Regarding the Scandinavian examples, I also found these links useful since Scandinavians often can't rely on what they learned in school regarding the three currencies. E.g. my textbooks told me that the Danish and Norwegian crowns were close to par, but that 1 SEK was 1.5 DKK. Others have probably learned similar "rules" but the 1990s changed the exchange rates so much that the old guidelines have become useless. Just my thoughts. Valentinian ^{T / C} 10:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

US Dollar

I see you're back. I was in the midst of adding a table when you edited the article. I couldn't figure out what you had changed, so I overwrote it. I took your advice on archiving the Talk page and did that last night. That was a learning experience. BeeTea 19:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay -- I see what you did now. Sorry -- the table was my first wikitable and it took me two hours to figure out -- I did not want to lose it.

Regarding "Value" and "Historical Exchange Rates" -- I would argue that these do not belong together. The reason is that "Historical Exchange Rates" relate to the value of the USD outside the USA versus other currencies. Therefore, it belongs with information on the USD Index, its reserve currency status, its international use, etc. But the information about the "Value" of the USD shows its value over time inside the USA, as inflation or deflation has taken it up or down. What a dollar will buy you inside the USA is part of the history of the currency back to 1776. What a dollar will get you in francs or yen is all external and has no connection to inflation or deflation but the trade value of currencies to currencies internationally. BeeTea 19:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Seattle Meetups

np, issues are issues. You're a reasonable person in an area I've come to avoid because of the unreasonable people.

Somebody probably needs to take initiative to want a meetup 5. Should we start the ball rolling? SchmuckyTheCat 16:11, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

currency images

I've been looking into the image copyright situation a bit, and have come up with some ideas to help our fair use images stay around. I just uploaded Image:East Africa 1 cent (KM22).jpg. You can see the tags and text I used. I noticed you've been getting warnings about missing fair use rationales and thought you might like to copy what I used. It's at User:Mom2jandk/FU obsolete coin. You can subst it with the linked page name as a parameter. I'd make it a template, but it's considered bad form to put a fair use rationale in a template (for reasons I don't understand). It's specific to a coin that is no longer produced or sold by the original country/bank and used in a page about the currency (rather than a page specific to the coin), but shouldn't take much modification to make it more general. As I work with more images, I imagine I'll make more such pages for other cases I come across. I just used it, and haven't checked with anyone that it will stand up to the recent harsher restrictions on fair use, but I think I followed the policy at WP:FUC. Let me know if you find this useful, or have any questions or comments. Also, I've put detailed info into East African shilling for the coins. I plan to add more images as I have time, and do something similar for banknotes once I get my SCWPM which I finally ordered. If you get a minute, I'm always interested in your thoughts, especially since you've put so much effort into standardizing page formats. If you have an example of an obscure obsolete currency layout I'd be happy to modify EAS to match it. Ingrid 20:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

This is an interesting issue. I'd like to discuss the problem of templates on Wikipedia first. Templates are often used for navigational boxes, where the same content must repeat on several articles. But editors with less technical/scientific training tend to make new navigational boxes by copying and pasting code and then modify the content. This is a bad practice. Templates can also be used to generate other templates. This issue on navigational templates has been somewhat alleviated. For example, {{navbox generic}} generates {{Currencies of Africa}}, which is in turned transcluded by many pages. Another good example is {{languageicon}}-{{zh icon}}. Bad examples include {{Money-stub}}-{{Coin-stub}} and {{Numismaticnotice}}-{{Electron}}. There should be a "root" template for stub and a root template for project banner that is similar to {{navbox generic}}.

Why do I talk about that? Because the same problem exists among Category:Image copyright tags. If you ask me, I think template is underutilized, and it is way underutilized in copyright tags. For example, {{PD-USGov-Military-Navy}} and {{PD-USGov-Military-Army}} (and possibly more) should consolidate. The same principle applies to fair use tags as well. Why do we have {{Non-free currency}} and {{Non-free currency - UK}}? IMHO, the currency tags should be partitioned into 3 tiers.

1. PD (Somebody would say PD images should go to commons, and I agree. But there are always some that qualifies PD and lives on en. We should provide a tag for that to easily identify those.
2. Conditional, like {{Money-EU banknote}} and {{NZ-Currency}}
3. Fair use. Such template must enforce the editor to enter information required by {{Non-free media rationale}}, or better yet, fill in Purpose for you.

I'm not sure why making fair use rationale a template is bad. Is there a policy page or talk page that says that? I will bring this up at village pump to get more exposure. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 02:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

East African shilling

Just happened to check the page after your change to the first table. Thank you. I had wanted to follow the standard, but wasn't sure how since I didn't have much of the suggested info. Don't worry about changing the other tables -- I'll take care of it (unless you want to, but I know you have a lot of other things you're working on). Ingrid 00:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the burden. I believe the first table is up to the standard. All the columns are optional. The style guide is really a suggestion. Now I can really take a look at the cite templates. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 01:03, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

A couple of comments/questions about your revisions to EAS:

• date vs. year of minting: I think date is more appropriate, since I believe coins are often minted before the beginning of the dated year, to be released on Jan 1. In this case, I have no idea, but "date" is a standard term for the date marked on the coin, without having to specify when it was minted. I used "marked dates" for the column heading instead of the phrases in the standard table for the same reason. Perhaps just "dates" would be better for that (that's probably what I would've used if I hadn't just been reading the standard table).
• half vs. ½: I used "half" since that's what it says on the coins. It seems appropriate to me, but I don't feel that strongly about it.
• ‰: This symbol is really hard to read at a small font size, and I didn't know what it meant. I figured it out, based on the SCWC's use of .250. Would you mind if I switch to ".250 silver" and/or put a footnote about fineness (which I think is the right term -- hopefully there's an article I can link to). Either way, "silver" needs to be included.
• Remark: This should be "Remarks". With "Note" or "Notes", I think either would work. "Remark" just doesn't, and I'm not sure why (just my native ear telling me). If you're curious, I could post to the language reference desk.

Ingrid 20:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Schilling

No problem, I undid my edits and its back to the original way. Black Harry 04:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

My Page

Thanks for fixing my page, it does get tiresome fixing the spacing constantly. Black Harry 05:10, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Template Issue

Hi - I saw your userbox for template editing skills, and I wondered if you could help me sort out a problem with some templates. There are four of them located here: Districts of Tajikistan that have some naming problems. If I want to edit them in an article, clicking the edit button takes me to a blank (uncreated page). Also, when I move the templates to a different category, the articles tagged with the templates don't move. I don't know if I'm being very clear, so if you need a better explanation...well...I'll try. Thanks for reading! Aelfthrytha 04:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Your RfA

Good luck, it should pass fine. Cheers, Dfrg.msc 08:53, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Scrollref broken

It was pointed out by one comment that, when using the printable layout, the scroll box stays put. Probably something that needs to be fixed at Scroll box, rather than scrollref, however, as it would be applicable to any use of that template. MrZaius^talk 05:39, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

US$/Euro map

I'm surprised to see that nobody has welcomed you! Welcome! It's amazing that you are already making incredible contribution, such as the US$/Euro map. I just have three questions.

• Is Surinamese dollar pegged to the USD?
• Kosovo is also using the euro (exclusively, I suppose?)
• Saint Pierre and Miquelon also uses the euro. An honest mistake, I trust.

By the way, what software do you use to create these maps? I might one day do this myself too. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 11:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey ChoChoPK, thanks for your welcome message! :-) About the map:

1. Surinamese dollar: not pegged to anything, at least none of the articles on Wikipedia says so, and exchange rates listed on the website of Surinam's Central Bank suggest it floats freely against all currencies.

2. Kosovo uses the Euro, but I don't know yet how to carve out a border and fill Kosovo with color on the map. I'm using Inkscape [4], which is apparently the free software of choice for SVG images on Wikipedia. I used a blank map template I found on Commons.

3. You're of course right about Saint Pierre et Miquelon, an oversight. I'll try to correct that soon.

--Targeman 14:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

BTW. I don't know where you're supposed to answer messages, so I'm posting this on your talk page and on mine. What are the rules on this? Thanks :-)

Hehe, don't worry about where to answer. People have different practices. Some people choose to answer on the same page where it started. Some choose to repond on the other person's talk page. Some choose to copy, like we are doing now. Often times, people put up a banner at the top of the talk page to state their practices. I also include your map on some other relevant pages. Cheer. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 14:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your suggestions re deletion, I realized all that too late, will pay attention next time. I'm still a newb here and the complexity of Wikipedia procedures is bewildering. :-)

As for the currencies you mention, yes they float within a narrow margin. So I would call them "loosely pegged" for lack of a better term. This could actually be discussed somewhere, we could vote on what to consider pegged or not... Now that I have a better grasp of the software, I could modify the map reasonably fast. Cheers --Targeman 07:41, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

If we include loosely pegged, I fear that it may open up a can of worms. That means we also have to include Hong Kong dollar, Kuwaiti dinar, and possibly more. Central banks may have a unpublished policy to loosely peg against the USD or the euro. In addition, some peg to a basket of major currencies, which is even more problematic when making the map. I'm starting to use inkscape and I do enjoying it. One question, how do you change the color of a shape that was previously grouped, without ungrouping the shape first? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 22:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: this edit

If there's a general issue with the use of DEFAULTSORT by AWB I'd suggest you raise it with the developers on the AWB talk page. Thanks Rjwilmsi 17:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Your RFA

With your RFA closing in 4 or 5 hours, I would like to congratulate you. It looks like you will becoming an admin. I will get back to you for a formal congrats!

Politics rule 19:32, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

You're an Admin!

It is my pleasure to inform you that you are now an admin. Congratulations. You can feel free to do everything you're supposed to do and nothing you're not supposed to do. If you haven't already, now is the time look through the Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide and Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me, or at the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. -- Cecropia 06:14, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Hah, excellent. Congrats! Jmlk17 08:36, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

DAM! I wanted to be the first person to congratulate you, your the 2nd admin I've given the thumbs up in rfa and both of you became admins. --Lwarf ^Talk! 10:48, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow, congrats on becoming an admin! Politics rule 13:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Congrats! I am sure you will do a fine job:) Have a nice week and God bless:)--†Sir James Paul† 23:46, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

RfA Congrats

Congratulations on becoming an admin! Just out of curiosity, how did you use AWB to send the thank you message? G1ggy ^Talk/_Contribs 23:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I collect the user name manually, and convert to talk space in AWB, and then append a block of text in AWB. =) --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 23:50, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Congrats yea you really deserved it. Good luck. --LtWinters 00:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey congratulations man. I feel you're very qualified to handle the mop and bucket. I might need help, but doubt you'll make many mistakes. Black Harry (T|C) (Go Red Sox!) 00:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Congrats. Here is your first mistake (very minor and not as an admin): Take a look, if you will, at my welcome page. You'll find footnotes 2 and 4 of particular interest. —AldeBaer 00:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations. --wpktsfs 00:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

It was my pleasure to support your RfA Chochopk. Good luck and happy admin-ing!--VS ^talk 01:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations. You richly deserve it :) Peacent 01:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the late congratulation. You really deserve the adminship. Timur lenk 20:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Ghana Cedi

Good evening - I noticed that you removed some of my updates to the Ghana Cedi page. - First of all - I thought I had logged on as myself (pgcohen), but clearly must have forgotten - mea culpa, etc. Just FYI - we received an official notice from the ISO this past week that Ghana will use the new currency GHP - I actually double checked with the ISO, because I suspected that GHP stood for Ghanian Pesewa. However the ISO confirmed that this currency change is correct. I am somewhat of a Wikipedia novice - although I have made changes before - please let me know how you want me to proceed from here. - Peter Cohen - 8:35 PM, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

Hi, the rationale for my change is that the infobox should show the current and latest information. I didn't revert your addition completely. I just removed a second mention of GHP. If you have a source, like a url, you're welcome to add it. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 00:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Bills of Peru

Thanks for the Category. All of them are in my collection. --Ernesto Linares 02:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

display issues

Ok, ambition kept me awake. I fiddled around with Tennisman's code and the main difference seems to be that I didn't define an H5 header line, just left it blank. I defined one now (the standard "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia") and colored it like the background. Please let me occasionally know if it displays correctly for you now. Thanks once more. —AldeBaer 02:58, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks yet again for your kind help. —AldeBaer 18:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Question

I know you're just now an admin, but did you happen to look at that Rfa and/or the editing history of the account that created it? Lets not support trolling on Wikipedia please.--MONGO 04:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

No, I did not. That was my mistake. Lesson learned. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 05:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not a big deal at all. Things that look fine at first sometimes aren't. Schmucky is more than welcome to seek adminship if he so chooses, but I doubt that is the way he wanted to gain it...he had previously slapped a speedy delete tag on the Rfa. Thanks.--MONGO 05:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome

You're welcome for the support. :) Acalamari 19:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

The Original Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		I thought I'd give you this barnstar for your impressive edits I have been noticing in numerous articles. Wikidudeman (talk) 05:46, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Of which articles do you speak of? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 05:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Specifically those relating to currency.Wikidudeman ^(talk) 05:54, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

TfD request

As I mentioned in your recent RfA, (congratulations, by the way) I have decided to close This TfD as merge, as you wisely suggested. However, I am terrible at templates (ironic, isn't it?), so I would have no idea how to go about replacing these templates. Would you be so kind as to either implement your own solution, or explain to me how it may be done easily? Thanks again for a great solution to a complicated TfD. RyanGerbil10(Don't ask 'bout Camden) 04:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Will do. Since I was the one who spoke so loud, I think I should take up this tedious responsibility. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 04:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

After 4½ hours, it's done. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 09:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Request for comment on template proposal

I've proposed a new template that I hope will bring the overabundance of cleanup templates under control, but it hasn't attracted much attention. I noticed that you're a member of Category:User template coder-5, and that you do a lot of work with templates, and I wondered if you'd care to comment on the idea (or create it, if you felt the urge, as I've no expertise with implementation. PaladinWhite 01:50, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:ATWT history

No articles use this template. I'm guessing that you thought this this section uses this template. It doesn't. In fact, no articles use the template. What is in the ATWT history section are simple links to the history articles, not the template. So removing the template would have no effect on the ATWT article. Essentially, this template is just taking up space. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 20:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:Scroll box

That Scrollref template we created apparently has a number of descendants alive and kicking. However, for the accessibility reasons stated in the TfD, it really shouldn't. I don't have the patience anymore to delete each and every use of the template in Main namespace, and, more importantly, if I did that they'd just start popping up again, requiring endless cleanup. It seems advisable to either have the template not render in Main space or to have it post a big red unsubstituted-prod-like warning saying "Don't use me in Main" to prevent the problems recurrence. I'm not all that terribly adept at template coding, however, so I wonder if you wouldn't mind helping out. Got a quick fix? MrZaius^talk 15:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)