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Nice page. --Bhadani 06:04, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image request

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Hiya, I got a tip that among the many images at Chora, that there is a rare portrait of Maria Despina Palaiologos (perhaps labeled as "Melanina"). Is there anyone here familiar enough with the images, that you could pick out, or acquire, this one? It would be a great addition to her article.  :) --Elonka 06:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't look like it is on Commons. Johnbod (talk) 13:39, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
There is a black and white photograph of the portrait in the recent exhibition catalogue Byzantium: Faith and Power (1261-1557), ed. Helen C. Evans (Metropolitan Museum of Art: New York, 2004), p. 21. She is represented wearing the black habit of an Orthodox nun and kneeling before Christ in the scene known as the Deesis. The inscription pretty clearly says, "...Palaeologe Lady of the Mongols Melane the Nun." There are thousands of pictures of the Chora or Kariye Camii at various photo dumps. Perhaps you can find someone willing to upload theirs. Check these out: lower right, washed out. Aramgar (talk) 04:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
The claim that that mosaic indeed depicts the despina Maria Palaiologos is made strongly by this source: Paul A. Underwood, "Notes on the Work of the Byzantine Institute in Istanbul: 1955-1956", Dumbarton Oaks Papers, Vol. 12, (1958), pp. 269-287.[1]. The article refers to another study by the same author I don't have access to. By the way, it is "(nun) Melania", not "Melanina". Both of the photos at flickr are tagged as "public", and the second is clearly better for the purpose of illustrating an article about her – although it is a pity the inscription is cut off (leaving only ΜΟΝΑ, the first two syllables of μοναχή "nun"). When downloading, make sure to select the large size.  --Lambiam 07:20, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
They're tagged as public, but they're also "all rights reserved". We might be able to use one as "fair use", but to get it into the Commons, we'd need something that was cc-by-sa or "some rights reserved".[2] So we need either some other image, or perhaps someone with an active flickr account would like to contact the accountholders and ask them to change the licensing? --Elonka 07:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Got some permission from Flickr photographers, so I transferred some images over, and we're good. :) So I am marking this thread as resolved. To see the images, check commons:Category:Deesis mosaic (Chora Church). --Elonka 17:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)