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[edit] Population

This city's population is definitely not 31 million. I'm changing it to 6,363,000 like on the "World's Largest Urban Agglomerations" page. --66.82.9.59 14:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Landmarks and Tourism

Isn't it a good idea to put the paragraphe "landmarks" under the paragraphe "tourism"? I added a paragraphe "sports" into the article. (Rob)

Did some Chinese tourism official write this section in the first place? It certainly reads that way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.198.247 (talk) 11:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Good to see that this section has been clarified, though I kind of miss the bewildering original (versions of it are out there in cyberspace, should you a. be curious, b. have time on your hands) Almost-instinct (talk) 19:34, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] About namegiving

I think it would be better to use the title "Chongqing" for "Chongqing city" and add a link to "Chongqing Municipality" on the page. Since most of the other articles refer to "Chongqing city" as "Chongqing". (Please pardon my poor expressions.) --Lorenzarius 15:34 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)

New articles mentioning the Municipality will probably simply call it "Chongqing" too. If we follow your suggestion, these links will lead to the City, and that might be confusing. Before changing the name of the "Chongqing city", I would suggest that we create the "Chongqing Municipality" article, and see how many articles link to each of them. If there is a big majority linking to the city, then it might be a good idea to make the change you are suggesting. olivier 15:41 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
You mean these? =) --Lorenzarius 15:46 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
Exactly. 12 for "Chongqing city" and 13 for "Chongqing Municipality". Maybe we should leave the article names like this for the moment and keep disambiguating at "Chongqing". olivier 15:49 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
Hmmmm then I guess the same thing should be done to the other three Municipalities right? ("municipality" is a hard word to spell =P) Lorenzarius 15:53 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
In the case of the other municipalities, is the territory covered different from the one covered by the city? olivier 17:02 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)

Another possibility... What about merging the Municipality article and the City article into one? I think most people won't be able to distinguish between the two, but I may be wrong... Lorenzarius 16:06 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)

That is an option. We could actually write 2 articles into one, in this case. But what would we do with the "Provinces" template? olivier 17:02 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Move

See also: Talk:Shanghai Municipality

Chongqing City was moved here, per discussion at Shanghai Municipality. --Jiang 01:26, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Chongqing City is gone. It is no more. The only Chongqing now is the municipality. It is more logical to move the municipality here and leave Chongqing City alone. --Menchi 05:38, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)
If Chongqing City is no more, than no article should exist there. Why leave it alone? So Chongqing Municipality should be merged here? --Jiang
Why, not alone per se.. Chongqing City is right now just confusing, I'll revamp it later (add the specific districts and counties that it once governed -- most of which still exist, under the municipality, and the area and population stats of what it once was before the municipal merging). It could be something of a historical value I guess (200 years from now). But in accorance in current official PRC-speak, Chongqing is definitely = Chongqing Municipality. --Menchi 06:19, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Although there's a problem with the history, for example, the fact that Chongqing was once the Kuomintang capital.. Should that be on Chongqing Municipality as well because Chongqing City, after all, lives on inside the municipality. Or should we just limit history in Chongqing Municipality to what has happened since the municipal merging of 1997? --Menchi 06:19, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

So is there no objection? (So quiet...) I'll move it then. Alrighty? --Menchi 08:15, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Isnt "Chongqing City" the same as "Chongqing Municipality" in Chinese? Therefore, if we moved the small Chongqing to "Chongqing City" and the muni to here, then it would become confusing. People would see "city" and automatically assume that it means the municipality when it really means just part of it... --Jiang 08:23, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

When there's no need to distinguish them, they are both simply shi. But when necessary, one can call the muni Chongqing Zhixiashi. And the city was a subprovincial city. A clear introductory paragraph should eliminate the confusion. --Menchi 08:29, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)
I guess that we could have Chongqing for the municipality and Chongqing City for the historical city, if there is enough material to make a separate article. Intro paragraphs should make the distinction very clear. olivier 08:38, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

How about having both in the same article? --Jiang 09:16, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I do not have any strong opinion for or against it. We can probably have both in the same article, and create a separate one later if needed (too large quantity of information about the historical Changqing City). olivier 09:40, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

The bottom line is, as far as most people in PRC see it, now Chongqing Municipality = Chongqing, hence the munici. article should be here. Westerners may not see it that way, but it is mostly due to the recent occurence of the event (97). I think Encarta already describes Chongqing as a municipality in its article.

And as for Chongqing City, I'm not that strong either way, but leaning toward separatism, just for the sake of historical value, like Commonwealth of the Philippines exists not because the preceeding culture and history differ from those of the Philippines, but the very name and administration differ. And in the case of CQ, the administrative level and territory differ greatly.

An example of conflict: should somebody add a mayors of Chongqing City, it seems inappropriate to add it right above a list of Chongqing (Municipality) mayors. It doesn't seem that apple-and-orange since the municipality and the city have the same name (and one assumes obvious continuity)-- but how about the other two (or three.. Wanxiang City, Qianjiang City, and..) cities and one prefectures that used to exist but now are part of Chongqing Municipality, like CQ City is now. If we were to list those two/three cities's mayors and the prefecture's chief/prefect... it just seems very wrong to stuck it before/beside the Chongqing Municipality mayors. Is Chongqing CIty's continuity into CQ Municiaplity the most authorative/powerful/legitimate successor in CQ Municipality? Logic dictates yes, but political correctness no, but political power maybe yes, maybe no. --Menchi

Separate articles could exist for Wanxiang City, Qianjiang City, etc. and that's where their lists of mayors would logically belong. --Jiang
That seem to be the only choice. But Wanxian (not Wanxiang, sorry) and Fuling (not Qianjiang, it is the prefecture, my mistake!) Cities and CQ City were on the same tier. The articles for Wanxian City, Fuling City, and CQ City would all have parallel format (finite list of mayors, former subdivisions, area, pre-incorporation population... and probably nothing much more). Shouldn't, by parallelism, the mayors of CQ City and things be at Chongqing City? --Menchi 23:13, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

That doesn't work, since CQ City=CQ Muni in Chinese. Many lists, such List of British monarchs and President of France have separate listings for different political entities. And explanation in the main article should be fine. --Jiang 01:52, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I revamped here so Chongqing Municipality can be appropriately redirected here. I tried to emphasize/clarify as greatly as I can of the merging, dropping of prefecture level, and maintenaince of counties in the last paragraph of History and the table in Subdivisions. There, that's all four municipalities done. --Menchi (Talk)â 15:42, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Table

I don't know if this is something to do with my browser (Netscape 7) but the section labelled 'subdivisions' looks like just a stream of text, withno formatting. DJ Clayworth 14:35, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)

User:Mjklin converted Magnus-style table into the ugly traditional style for reasons beyond me, with the edit summary "redid some of the table of provinces" (btw, they are counties and districts, not provinces at all). He has destroyed the table in the process. I have asked him why. --Menchi 15:51, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I've reverted the changes, but the newbie named Mjklin should still explain himself. -- user:zanimum

He said something at User_talk:Menchi#Talk:Chongqing#Table. --Menchi 03:13, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Alright, so I messed up! Sorry! I just wanted a page that would print right on my browser, so thanks to zanimum for that. We newbies have got to learn somehow, you know. User:Mjklin

[edit] Most bombed city in history

The History section asserts that Chongqing "holds the distinction of being the most bombed city in history". In addition to being ambiguous at best (most frequently bombed? most heavily bombed?) and grammatically incorrect at worst, this assertion is not supported by a cited source. Would someone please volunteer to add the source in? --Pkchan 06:16, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] City tree

The infobox (Ficus) and text (Magnolia delavayi) give different trees. Can someone correct whichever is wrong, please! - MPF 16:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Population

On the People's Republic of China's article the population of Chongqing "city urban area" is reported of 3.934 million people (8th place in PRC's ranking), though this article reports 12 million people living in "urban area of chongqing proper" (3rd place in ranking). Where is the truth? MFG, Jul 27 2006 00:47

The PRC page is using stats from 2001 estimations. This page claims 2005 data. Anyone know where to get this data to fix other pages? Or is there a way to have the data linked in the two pages to show the same number? Mike2525 01:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe 2006... we need a source. :-/ --169.244.139.8 (talk) 15:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Links

The links are of questionable quality. The one just links to a whole bunch of other sites.

Can you be a bit more specific? Which links are questionable and which one links to a whole bunch of other sites? I'm not the China expert by any stretch, but I'm pretty good at working on Wikipedia articles. Just point me in the right direction. Greenw47 (talk) 14:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Good Reference

I don't have the expertise to really help out, but The Economist has an in-depth article on this citie's growth that could probably be of great help to you guys: [1].--YbborTalk 17:03, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Map

Article needs two maps: 1) a map showing the municipality close-up, with administrative divisions; and 2) a map showing the municipality in relation to the surrounding provinces, putting it in context. Badagnani 22:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

The map showing the location of Chongqing is confusing. There are 4 areas highlighted. I showed it to a co-worker who knows nothing about China, and he was not able to tell which of the 4 highlighted areas is supposed to be Chongqing. I think the map should be idiot proof. Greenw47 (talk) 14:40, 21 April 2008 (UTC)