Talk:Choi Yong Sul
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[edit] Name in hanja
I believe his name is on this certificate written in hanja. But I need somebody who is much better at reading hanja to confirm this and to type it on a computer. Picture Kbarends (talk) 17:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Successor
I'd like to see some sort of reference to support the claim that Kim Yun Sang is the official successor to the title doju and was granted this by Choi Yong Sul.
It is not that I wish to promote an alternative idea but rather that I have heard similiar things said of Chang Chinil and Lim Hyun Soo and others so it would be nice to see something that fleshes out this assertion a bit.--Mateo2006 01:21, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
The Correct version was in Korean new papper and TV its was Chang Chinil that was getting the title Doju from Choi Yong Sul. And Choi thort that he woulde be able to united Hapkido.But he didnet and no i dont even think he is active any more.He was allso the Nr 1: 9-Dan from Choi.Lim Hyun Soo is Nr 2 and i think Kim Yun Sang is Nr 3 and that is all.
Request for Further Support for Claims
Thanks for the response. Do you have a user name?
I'm wondering if you know of anyone who has a copy of the this newspaper article or at least newspaper name and date. That would be of great help. There are some people who at the moment are asserting that Chang Chinil was designated only as the head of the system for the United States, which was not what I understood at that time either. It is also my understanding that Master Chang closed up the hapkido practise he had long run out of a dance studio in New York city several years ago and did not reopen a dojang, much the same as you have asserted here.
As for the numbers on the 9th dans, those numbers seem a little too convenient. No one from the distant past, no one deceased, no one little known. Lim claims that the only 9th dans that he knows of are himself and Chang Chinil (Jang Jin Il) for example. While Kim Yun Sang's certificate is dated 1984 and seems to have the support of at least some members of Choi's family. Life is rarely simple :). Thanks for your input here. --Mateo2006 12:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lim As Successor
I know of Master Lim's rank etc but has he ever directly claimed to be Choi's official successor? He doesn't speak to the subject in the interviews that I've read with him. If not perhaps we shouldn't be doubling up his information from the 'important students' section and the 'successor' section. Any feelings on this out there?--Mateo2006 21:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Students of Choi Section
The placement of the names in this section is reserved in the first case for people known to have had Choi as their primary teacher and have certification from Choi supporting this. Most of these teachers were people who were born and raised in Taegu and who had significant access to Choi.
The placement of the second section are students who indicate Choi as their teacher and may have learned from him in seminars in seoul or by travelling to Taegu for short periods of training but who started their training under students of Choi who were based in Seoul, for the most part under Master Ji Han Jae. Students who fit into this criteria would be people like Masters Han, Myung Kwang-Sik, Kim Yong-Jin etc.
[edit] Yoo Byung Don (Han Kuk Jeong Dong Hapkido, Orthodox Hapkido)
Can someone give us some more information on this teacher added to the list of direct students of Choi? I've never heard of him before.--Mateo2006 18:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Relation with Kotaro Yoshida (吉田幸太郎), a leading pupil of Sokaku Takeda
Here is a letter from Richard Kim to a Japanese resercher. http://www.toshima.ne.jp/~fukuoka3/hapkido/hapkido3.htm
dated November 26, 1984:
The founder of Hapkido, Mr. Choi -- Japanese name Yoshida, is not related to Yoshida Kotaro, Samurai extraordinary.
Mr. Choi was a student of Yoshida Kotaro. In fact he was an excellent student. You must realise that before Japan surrendered in August 15, 1945, all Koreans had Japanese citizenship and names.
Mr. Choi returned to Korea and taught Daito Ryu Aiki Jujutsu. He named it Hapkido which in Japanese is Aikido. Since his time Hapkido has become modified with a distinct Korean flavour. It is an excellent art.
I would that the thrust and direction of Hapkido where it is different from what originally Mr. Choi had taught is in a number of sophisticated kicks which is unique to the Korean style of fighting. Probably, according to some, it may have improved the art for modern day consumption. That would be a matter of debate.
You are learning a good art. Stay with it and practice until perfection.
Sincerely,
Richard Kim, Hanshi
[edit] Master Kwon Tae-Man
When I interviewed Master Kwon in the Spring of this year he stated point blank that he started under Master Ji in Andong and that he hadn't studied under Master Choi.
He also stated this in interview published with Tedeshi in his book "Hapkido".
His connection to Choi is only through lineage not as a direct student so he shouldn't really be included on the list.--Mateo2006 10:57, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
