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[edit] Page move

Sorry for moving this page around so much. It's hard to know what name to use, as this man is mostly known as "the previous Panchen Lama". I'm considering moving it to Choekyi Gyaltsen for simplicity. He probably is the person best-known by that name (with nothing affixed to it), even though he has a longer formal name and there is at least one other Choekyi Gyaltsen. Or, maybe this page should just move to 10th Panchen Lama (that would imply a style change also affecting the Dalai Lama and Karmapa articles). - Nat Krause(Talk!) 18:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I guess that sounds good. This article used to have a really nice picture, he was at a table with 3 others, I think. Oh wait, here it is: [1] [2] [3]. That's one of the good things about Wikipedia mirrors. If we could find a copyright status (and a source) for the image, then we'd be set. —Khoikhoi 00:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Which do you prefer, Choekyi Gyaltsen or 10th Panchen Lama? The latter is probably how he's best known.—Nat Krause(Talk!) 00:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I would prefer Choekyi Gyaltsen, 10th Panchen Lama for consistency (like Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama) —Khoikhoi 00:33, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Why not consistency with Rangjung Rigpe Dorje (the 16th Karmapa), though? I suggest we think outside the box and come up with a more suitable standard if necessary.—Nat Krause(Talk!) 00:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
My point was that all the Dalai Lama (and Panchen Lama) articles current have the suffix at the end, so if we're going to move one we should move the rest of them. —Khoikhoi 01:26, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
True, but it might take a long time to figure out where all those pages should get moved to. Personally, I think there's something to be said for including the "14th Dalai Lama" in the article about that person, even if it's an exception, because he is so very widely known as simply "the Dalai Lama".—Nat Krause(Talk!) 01:34, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I see what you're saying. However, we need to keep the article about the office of Dalai lama. I guess the suffix isn't really necessary however. —Khoikhoi 01:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit by Ran June 2005

May I ask why Ran added the communist chinese version of who the next Panchen Lama is? It is interesting, to say the least, that you out of nowhere come and just add that and now claim that you are neutral? Couldn't you add some info on the Panchen Lama? This is yet another example of what Ran is after. Ran is a chinese nationalist in a sheep skin. I have collected few examples. Meet me at my talk page. Me 02:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Something you may not know. The Panchen Lama usually finds or helps find the next Dalai Lama. Do you see the chinese motive now? I hope you do. The issue on who the real Panchen Lama is needs to be addressed. Me 02:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
A reminder: Please keep your discussion within the topic. Calling Ran a Chinese nationalist while he abruptly denied it, and mentioning 'few examples' (which means some do not come from this article) is absolutely off-topic, and is personal attack. It does not help to improve the article. Aranherunar 03:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Link to propaganda

I think this link should be removed: The passing away and last words of the Tenth Panchen Lama (China.org.cn)

It is untrue propaganda which surely is not right to be linked to here, unless it is made clear that it is propaganda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Woodlandjustin (talk • contribs) 10:47, 19 April 2007

Any sources for your claim? If not, keep the link. —Babelfisch 06:27, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Blnguyen has deleted the links once again, with the comment "rm propaganda links". I've re-inserted them. Please discuss. —Babelfisch 03:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Blnguyen has removed the links once again and deleted the information I had inserted about the link to the excerpt from the book by Yukiyasu Osada, this time just with the comment "revert". This is totally unacceptable. Please discuss. Do you really think that the article by the "International Campaign for Tibet" is not "propaganda"? Don't remove the links and the information about the link to Kotan without discussing that issue here first. —Babelfisch 06:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
The international campaign for Tibet is marked as a lobby group. I don't see how this compares to what the PRC have done seeing as they installed their own Panchen Lama. PRC has no freedom of press or any of these. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:54, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
So any links to Chinese media should be deleted? I don't think so, and I've re-inserted the links. If you want to delete them, please explain how they violate Wikipedia policies. —Babelfisch 05:33, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Blnguyen has once again deleted the two links, without answering in the discussion, just with this comment:[4]
  • rv, yes, they are an enemy group. We don't need an external link to a Hamas biography on Ariel Sharon
This might be your political opinion, but the links don't violate Wikipedia policies. I've re-inserted them. —Babelfisch 03:24, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree with B-fisch that cannot be treated as a straightforward fact that the Chinese government is "the enemy group". The relationship of the Panchen Lama to the Tibet patriot side and to the Chinese government is complicated to say the least. Certainly, the Panchen Lama had been closely allied with the Chinese going back at least to the 9th Panchen in the early 1920s.
Looking at the links in question, I think the china.org.cn is clearly propagandistic. I think the question should be whether the savetibet.org link is also propaganda, and whether propaganda should be completely excluded from the external links section. As for the au.china-embassy.org link, it doesn't seem very specifically informative, and I don't see the point of including it.—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 03:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)