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[edit] Picture

Oh I put a new picture in, but it got deleted. It was a screenshot from the game... *sigh* axym. ____

Whether the new picture is "better" is debatable, I think. It's not as scaled-down, granted, but it's also kinda... chibi, and not too representative of how chocobos look in-game. We need to get a better shot overall, though, than either of the two provide. I think the article's also long enough now that we could insert another picture or two in here, preferably of a non-yellow chocobo. --Xanzzibar 16:59, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Probably true, although it bears mentioning that this all depends on which game we're talking about (as the image actually does represent what they look like in, for instance, the Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon games, Chocobo Racing, Working Chocobo, and arguably many of the earlier games in the series (circa Final Fantasy III and Final Fantasy IV). Not that I'm too emotionally attached to the current image, mind you: mostly I was just trying to find a simple, profile image of a Chocobo of reasonable size and quality. This one also had the added bonus of being perfect for the Final Fantasy stub template, as it shrinks down to smaller resolutions better than the old Moogle image I was using. I couldn't find many good pictures of the more "photo-realistic" Chocobos of more recent games that looked appropriate, but if anyone can find some good candidates, then I'd certainly have no problem witth including them, as well. – Seancdaug 17:22, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
I found a decent image of a plain old yellow Chocobo from Final Fantasy X that I've uploaded that should be more representative of the more "realistic" Chocobos. Still no luck finding a good colored Chocobo image, though. – Seancdaug 18:33, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)


Something needs to be added to the blurb for FF Tactics about Boco, I would think. But I can't think of a decent way to word it. Melodia Chaconne 9 July 2005 19:09 (UTC)

[edit] Chocobo etymology

I reverted this for two reasons. First, it seems largely to be conjecture. Two words that seem sort of alike don't make for any sort of definitive link. I've seen plenty of people indicate that chocobos may have gotten their name from a chocolate cereal/candy/something that had a bird logo. Secondly, this seems to be original research, and just plain unverifiable speculation. --Xanzzibar 22:35, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] To be fair...

This is only my second edit. Regardless, I request anyone to give me a better etyomology than that. I mean, virtually the entirety of etyomology is based on conjecture, and I thought that I made it clear that it was an interesting conjecture anyway. But then, I'm new here and don't know all the rules, so Live and Learn.

You should refer to Wikipedia:No original research for reasons why we don't include novel information like this. --Xanzzibar 06:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Final Fantasy IX's Gold / Best Chocobo

Why did somebody edit out my information about Final Fantasy IX's best/gold chocobo. I put:

"* Gold = Able to fly, provided the take-off point is a forest and the landing point is a forest. This chocobo is similar in capability to the black chocobos of Final Fantasy IV and is the only other one in the Final Fantasy series to date that the player can fly."

And somebody replaced it with:

"Gold = Can cross oceans, rivers, mountains, and other hard-to-reach areas."


Were you thinking of Final Fantasy VII? Final Fantasy IX's gold chocobo *can* fly exactly as I described. Reediting and putting my information back in. If you still think I'm wrong, then explain why here.

- Agent0042 1-5-2005 16:44 EST

[edit] Flying Chocobos

Why do people continue to put stuff in the description saying things like that FFVII's gold chocobo can fly? It *cannot*. Only the FFIX gold chocobo and the black chocobos in some of the earlier games can fly. I don't understand the continued confusion over this issue. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Agent0042 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Advent Children Appearence

I question the mentioning of a chocobo appearing in Advent Children's end credits. Its been a general critism that Chocobos have not appeared in the movie in any physical form, and only appear in the form of one of Edge's many different billboard art pieces scattered all over the place. This should be looked into, and a picture may be required, because clearly, I, and many others, have never seen this Chocobo durring the credits. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.11.6.41 (talk • contribs) .

I've looked into it. Those animals are actually a herd of running deers. Someone with a more powerful tool can capture those images in 1:38:02 to 1:38:07. Bluerfn 18:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cabbit

The connection between Cabbits and Chocobos is unclear and unverifiable, so I removed the reference in the See Also section. Please discuss this on the Cabbit talk page. Viltris 21:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Chocobo Song

No reference whatsoever is mentioned of the song, I believe originating in Final Fantasy II.--Notmyhandle 07:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article length

Could someone please expand this article. I dont think it goes into enough detail on chocobos.

Not only is it too short, it should also mention the word "chocobo" more often. It's only used 376 times currently. This is a disgrace.
Were this an article on any real-world person, phenomenon, or object, the litany of information presented here would definitely not be appropriate. Time to apply the length rules fairly, IMO. I'd say this topic deserves about 1/8 of the treatment it's given here. -- Barfooz 22:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Encyclopedic Material?

Some users are saying that the article is not encyclopedic material. Some users put in tags asking for citations, references, saying its too short, too long, or rubbish. Frankly, i think the article isn't suppose to be bloody long and enormously descriptive. In fact, some of the material in this article could be placed in the Final Fantasy Wiki, with a link pointing to the said Wiki, and if anyone would want to read on the colored Chocobos of Final Fantasy VII they should just go to the FFWiki. The FFWiki could use the information placed here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluerfn (talk • contribs) 09:45, 1 November 2006

Seconded. This article is grotesque. -- Earle Martin [t/c] 13:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I think this whole Article should be Strg-x Strg-v to another wiki and be put a link to it on a Final Fantasy article which I assume do exist here. 89.59.105.11Quicksilver

Oh, I don't know, I stumbled across the article and found it a charming example on how just about anything can become a science ^.~ Though I lol:ed it doesn't mean it's not useful, as Leher said, under a somewhat bizarre set of circumstances. Mikademus 22:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

It's been cruftied up quite a bit. I've been meaning to clean it up. Can I ask for a day to do so before we decide anything? --Kizor 22:09, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Instead of just listing it on AFD take the time to track down some of the quotes, reference them, and un-cruftify it, Derktar 07:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Content transitioned to Final Fantasy wiki

See [1]. Much of the content about how chocobos appear in various Final Fantasy games was already present on the FFWiki Chocobo page, so I didn't feel it was necessary to move it. I did move the non-Final Fantasy appearances section, because there was no such information on the FFWiki page. I think this page now has a reasonable length. -- Barfooz 19:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

That IS short. Even the Moogle article feels longer. What do other people think? 私はBluerfnです 19:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Nuking mention of the Final Fantasy appearances of a creature that's an integral part of, and known from, the Final Fantasy series goes too far. FFWiki is not a sister project, variation or relative of Wikipedia, so "transitioning" content there equates to removal. I'm reverting and completing the decrufting I've been doing (cutting the article length by a fifth already). Let's talk then. --Kizor 19:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Now that the article has less fancruft and becoming more of a desirable and readable article, removing tag. If lucky, it might even become a Featured article. Here's hoping. 私はBluerfnです 21:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Heh. Thanks, but Featured articles need extensive references.
I've done what I should've done weeks ago and essentially rewritten the article, reducing it from 40 to 26 KB and hopefully retaining the information about Chocobos' roles and development while removing cruft. This leaner, meaner and more aerodynamic version should at the least provide a viable alternative to Barfooz's greatly truncated one, which the 40-KB version couldn't do. The tiny version does have some good ideas, which I'll consider adding, but not now. If there's still pressure to reduce the article, do say so, but I won't join in now. Kizor sleep now.
Finally, I found this piece of subtle yet sick humor during my changes:In Final Fantasy X, chocobos are also used for warfare and to power such vehicles as boats, though it is theorized that they might also power the airship using some form of fusion. :P --Kizor 22:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FF7 - White Chocobo

I think that the role of the White Chocobo in FF7 is important enough to mention in a sentence or two. The main things being:

  • They are much smaller
  • They are only found in Mideel
  • There is a miniature sidequest to get rare materia involving finding out from Chole at the Chocobo Ranch where they like to be tickled.

Perhaps a couple of other things I haven't thought of at this moment. I do think they should at least be mentioned since they are totally different from all the other kinds of chocobos in the game. --Gellender 02:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

  • That white chocobo was young, not small.
  • Only one is seen in Mideel, that doesn't mean that they are unique to Mideel.
  • That is trivia and gameguide and doesn't belong in the article.
--—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 15:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spinoffs

I believe that the spinoffs should be a bit more prominent; I mean, as it stands, every game or non-game Chocobo has been a vehicle in gets a section, but the games he stars in are afterthoughts. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, they are spin-offs. Chocobo is primarily a Final Fantasy creature. --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 15:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Are they? Aren't the Chocobo games forming a series distinct from Final Fantasy, as much as the Donkey Kong series is distinct from Super Mario for instance? Kariteh 16:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

Is anyone sure exactly how "chocobo" is supposed to be pronounced? I've always pronounced it "koh-koh-boh," but I'm pretty sure that's wrong. I've also heard "choh-koh-boh" most often, but the article is making me unsure if that is correct. It says that the name comes from a chocolate ball, making me wonder if it is pronounced like chocolate ("chaw-coh-boh"). Could it be something I didn't say? Is anyone sure? -Platypus Man | Talk 01:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Thats a strange way to pronounce chocolate. you said that chocolate makes you think its pronounced "chaw-coh-boh" but i dont really see why, i pronounce chocolate like "choh-koh-lat" and thus would pronounce it "choh-koh-boh". this is also how i have always heard it pronounced. - Mloren 11:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Never really thought about it, but I am from the south, so I might pronounce it differently from most people, but that would clear the "chocolate" issue up. -Platypus Man | Talk 05:21, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I've always heard it pronounced "Chaw-kə-lit" or "Chaw-k'lit." But none of that matters, because the Japanese language is very specific on how it is supposed to be pronounced: "Choh-koh-Boh" --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 15:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Final Fantasy X-2 has a few (voice acted) lines involving the word chocobo in some shape or form, using the pronunciation stated just above. Just wanted to share in case there's any more curiosity.72.130.241.83 02:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Chocobo in Japanese does not sound like "Choh-koh-boh", the reason being that the first two "o" sounds are short, while the last is long. Japanese doesn't have two different "o" sounds (as in English low and law), but then again English doesn't necessarily have vowel length in the same way that Japanese does. In any case, English long "o" is no good, especially for the first two syllables. To my ear, the Japanese pronunciation is almost identical to the Japanese pronunciation of "choco" as in "chocolate", which is to say something like "chaw-ko".

Anyway the Japanese pronunciation is only relevant if you choose it to be. Otherwise it's probably best to go by the spoken dialogue - although English has so many different accents that even this doesn't really settle the issue. In my experience the American pronunciation is often different from the British pronunciation - in addition to the dialectal differences within each country. Thorf (talk) 14:18, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Dark blue?"

The black Chocobo is a purplish color in FF4/5, not blue. It might be too dark to see on a regular TV screen, but in the GBA remakes (where the colors are lighter) it is obviously purple. The lighter parts are almost PINK. 64.4.97.238 20:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, I suppose. --Kizor 20:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah you are correct, it is purple, but not for want of trying to be black!Gavin Scott 18:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

You're all wrong. The sprite ripped from FFIV on the NES is blue. 66.169.188.254 22:56, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
do you mean the SNES. Also looking at a picture it is one of the colors that is really in between. It's like lavinder or something, really in between. frankly if you call it either you are fine.140.232.146.171 (talk) 00:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ratite or galliformes?

I am biologist and ornithologist, and I can say that the chocobos are clearly giant like-chicken birds, not ratites. Therefore, the correct definition of chocobo is galliforme bird, not ratite bird.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.35.137.225 (talk • contribs) .

Square Enix, to the best of my knowledge, hasn't released any specific biological info on a majority of their fictional species, chocobos included. While its original design by Yoshitaka Amano greatly resembled guineafowl like the Vulturine, later designs in regard to size and form have more in common with bulky rheas and other large terrestrial birds. Frankly, I think it takes liberties from both, and clear species attribution to one or the other can't really be ascertained, but I agree they do have a lot in common with gallies. I don't think the ratite line was supposed to be a formal definition anyway, just drawing a parallel to a real-world genus traditionally seen as a "riding bird". Nall 16:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
From what I can remember, I agree with you re: not a formal definition. --Kizor 18:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chocobo template

now that the topic has been restructured to prepare for Good Article status, should the template be changed or retained? Judgesurreal777 23:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the template is fine as is. It would be confusing to have some games linked and some not (like Chocobo's Dungeon 2 but not 1, etc.). Template:Final Fantasy series also has several links to sections of a single article, and nobody removed them since it's less confusing this way. Kariteh 08:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chocobo Romanji

Isn't the romanji for Chocobo supposed to be "jiyokobo", seeing as that is how it is referred in one of the chocobo game articles (Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon, I think), and how "jiyo" said quicky sounds the same as "cho" as there is no actual symbol for "cho". Correct me if I'm wrong. Choogle 11:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Following the Hepburn romanization system, the romaji of the word Chocobo is correct. There is a symbol for "cho", a combination of both the "chi" kana and the "yo" kana. The supposed "jiyo" doesn't exist in kana. For more technical assistance on kana, please read on the link to the Hepburn romanization, or to Romaji. — Bluerで す。 12:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, the katakana often uses diacritics to represent english sounds that it otherwise can't spell. And since this Katakana is based on english as an original language ("Chocolate-Ball"), then the english version of the diacritic is more correct than the literal character-by-character translation. --ΔαίδαλοςΣ 15:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
It would certainly be possible to transcribe the "cho" (チョ) as "tyo", and many Japanese people do. However, that style of transliteration is not friendly to non-native speakers, so it's best avoided outside of Japan. To the original poster: note that "jiyo" or even "tiyo" or "chiyo" are all incorrect, because the small second kana effectively takes the place of the "i" vowel; "jo" would be written ジョ or less commonly ヂョ. Thorf (talk) 14:25, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chocobo template, again

Should we add the mobile Chocobo game to the template bar for completeness sake? Judgesurreal777 20:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

We don't even know what it is. Chocobo-Mate may or may not be part of it. We desperately need sources, but they might be Japanese only :( Kariteh 21:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chocobo de Battle!!

A technology demo titled Chocobo de Battle was shown at the Siggraph 1997. I wonder where this can be placed in the article? Unfortunately, I have no reliable source, but here's a youtube clip. Kariteh 11:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Chocobo Dungeon 2 here

The article is very lacking in references, and does not seem like it is going to be any good on its own. It will strengthen this article, and when we finally get around to fixing up this article, we can see if it needs to be merged out again. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Breeding & Racing

Maybe it's just me, but the section on Chocobos in the FF series seems to make it sound like racing and breeding were *only* added to FFXI, when in fact, one could do both in FFVII... can/should this be distinguished in some way? --Umrguy42 (talk) 17:25, 17 April 2008 (UTC)