Talk:Chinrest

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I went ahead and de-stubified this article, since I believe it meets the qualifications for a real article (however ambiguously this is defined). From the Wikipedia:Stub article:

Another way to define a stub is an article so incomplete that an editor who knows little or nothing about the topic could improve its content after a superficial internet search or a few minutes in a reference library. An article that can be improved by only a rather knowledgeable editor, or after significant research, may not be a stub.

So by these lights, this could be (but isn't necessarily) a full-fledged article.

I also restored my original wording to the list of chinrest types. Sorry, ViolinGirl (and with all due respect for you as the one who started this article), but my way is better: the sentence is a list in the form "Other types include ... [one type] ... and ... [another type]". Your "or" implies a choice between only two types (as we've seen, there are more chinrest types than we think we know about). Anyhow.

I also put this in the category "String instruments", not finding a better place for it. If you know a better place, then by all means put it there. --ILike2BeAnonymous 19:42, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

De-stubing sounds fine...I think the article is still under construction, but we're working on it, so no big deal. And the and sounds find, I agree with your reasoning.--ViolinGirl♪ 13:12, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Guarnerius type

Revamped the paragraph describing various types; the Guarnerius types I have seen clamp over the tailpiece and extend to the left. I also wonder if that type is indeed the most popular, or one of the most popular. Carry on, folks! cheers, Just plain Bill 20:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Is good. --ILike2BeAnonymous 00:23, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
I like it, too. You beat me to it!--ViolinGirl♪ 13:12, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

Anybody know where we can get some external links for this article? Banes 18:31, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

All I can locate at the moment are commercial sites such as http://www.sharmusic.com/search.asp?SKW=ACCVLNCHINKEY&sectionID=5&catID=30 Just plain Bill 19:50, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

    • or Southwest Strings, or Howard Core, or Dick GmbH, or International Violins, or Johnson Strings... is it OK to link to catalog sites such as those? Just plain Bill 23:24, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ChinChum?

What is a ChinChum? Please explain. --ILike2BeAnonymous 23:08, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

  • similar to the chinrest covers that someone I know crochets, and gives to her little students, who complain about the metal clamps touching their necks. The Wittner plastic rests are good in that respect. Just plain Bill 23:27, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
    • Want to take a crack at a short description? It bugs me when something is mentioned but just left hanging. (Easy enough to figure out that it's something that ameliorates the hard chinrest, but how?) --ILike2BeAnonymous 23:30, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
      • Took out trade names, added links nickel & allergy. Feel free to revert or re-do. Again my question of how appropriate or encyclopedic commercial content is in a violinistic context. Particular products are often transitory or geographically limited in distribution. Just plain Bill 01:24, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
        • No complaints from here. I likes what you did.

Actually, there probably shouldn't be any commercial references, for the reasons you gave, plus the fact that this is, after all an encyclopedia (supposedly); it's not a self-help page on violins, nor a product locater index. For that, there are other ways of finding information (like for starters, asking a teacher/friend/colleague).

Hey, I found out how the bullet-indentation scheme works: put asterisks in without a blank line above the paragraph and it indents to the level of #-of-asterisks; with a blank line, it puts in #-of-asterisks bullets. --ILike2BeAnonymous 01:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category

I hate to do this, but I've removed the Category from the bottom of the page. A chinrest does not belong in a string instruments category, all the other articles in that category were for the instruments themselves. I will see if there is a category for the violin itself, and put that in. Banes 07:49, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I've found the proper category, and am adding it in. Banes 07:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I was hoping someone would find a better category. Just how the hell are you supposed to locate an appropriate category here, anyhow? There seems to be no way other than hit-or-miss searching. --ILike2BeAnonymous 20:44, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Headers

I think they are overkill for an article this size. I like the size it is right now, and don't see it growing into a ten-page treatise. Just now there's a mismatch between headers and content: the "Construction" paragraph is about the clamp hardware; what else is to construct? It's a carefully shaped block of wood. The "Types of" paragraph also includes the anti-hickey pads, which are an accessory to the accessory that is the chinrest. I'm in favor of keeping it simple, and losing the headers... Just plain Bill 16:09, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I put them in, but I see what you mean. The Types of paragraph, however, does begin with the various types of chinrest. I agree, they are a bit of an overkill, but I still think it would be nice to have one in the article to space it out a little. We'll just have to work on the names of the headers in relation to the content. Banes 16:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
"Types and Options" seems to fit... Just plain Bill 17:59, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Fits perfectly, now we need to think of an appropiate title for the top one. Or remove it... Banes 18:02, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I've changed the top one to "Chinrest Attachment", as it seems to describe how the chinrest is attached to the Violin. What do you think? Banes 18:04, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Totally OK with that. "Construction" worked OK as well :-) Your choice... Just plain Bill 18:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Aah, good. The article is expanding rather nicely! All we need to do now is rustle up some external links.... Banes 18:10, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, not sure just why you want external links: links to what? This article covers a very mundane part of an instrument family, so I can't imagine any exciting sites out there pertaining to it. Anyhow, the article seems pretty nicely fleshed out now. --ILike2BeAnonymous 20:43, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, and external links section just makes the article look more, wikipediaish. But you are right, there probably isnt going to be alot of interesting stuff on the web about this topic. The article looks nice enough, and is thorough. Banes 20:52, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] references

OK, I've found two references, (one mag article, one book) with a possible third being the same book used as a reference on the Louis Spohr page. Does anyone have others? J Lorraine 08:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

and I've added one more. These are, BTW, not necessarily the best, but they are the best I have at the moment. J Lorraine 08:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Height adjustment

In forums such as Maestronet, I've come across the idea that, for players with long necks, it's better to add height under the chinrest than to raise the feet of the shoulder rest. Keeping the fiddle low is easier on the bow arm that way. Michael Darnton mentioned that it is possible to use a fair thickness of cork under the chinrest for this purpose; there isn't always a need to add wood, as a previous revision here said. No need for this to go in the article, I suppose, __Just plain Bill 17:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)