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[edit] A Master dedicated to the cause of the Human Being

I really appreciate the contents that you guys have contributed to other articles of Wikipedia, the Open Source Encyclopedia. I really acknowledge the hard works that you've been doing to make the encyclopedia a rich source of knowledge. In fact, I am also a strong advocate of Open Source, and GNU Free Documentation.

As far as I know, The Supreme Master Ching Hai has always been a pacificist trying to spread the message of Truth and Virtue all over the world through her teachings that are meant to bring mankind towards the realization of God and Truth. I know the many so called "Masters" out there, but not a real one like the Supreme Master.

Those baseless criticisms, that are published by the so called "cultists" do not sound a good Gift for such a Holy person.

Anyway guys, is there a person on Earth who is totally flawless, and does not have any dark side? If there is so, please do tell me. Don't you have done anything wrong in your whole life? What if someone characterizes you wrongly for the things that you've not even done?

The Beautiful "Moon" that looks so beautiful in a full moon day, looking at which "loving couples" can spend the whole night, does have thousands of Craters which the modern Astronomy has not yet discovered.

That is why we need to be optimistic, that's what ancient sages including Buddha, Mohammed and Jesus Christ have taught us.

Think like a Buddha

Act like a Buddha

Then you will be a Buddha

~ The Supreme Master Ching Hai

So, I think we really need to learn the to be a good citizen of Earth by respecting the teachings of a living Master who is so much dedicated for the cause of the human beings.

Some excerpts of relief works from the Supreme Master International Association volunteers can be viewed on:

Relief works in Pakistan Earthquake [1]

Relief works in Flood Victims in Mainland China [2] many more efforts

Global Disaster Relief and Charitable Activities from Jan. to Dec.2005 [3]

Posted by: ldp_linux10:26, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Biography seems to come from here: [4]. DHN 04:01, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


Why does she call herself or let herself be called Supreme Master? I only found about her recently, and I did a little googling and it's not mentioned in this wikipedia article, but she insists that people prefix Supreme Master. I think we should cross-link this article with Sai Baba as well, as the two both attempt to represent themselves as divine beings transcended from God. I'm still wondering whether this is real or not?

This doesn't seemed to fit anywhere in the main article and I have moved it here instead as it answers your question.

The title "Supreme Master" is a reminder of the supreme master power that everyone has.[1][2][3] TruthExplorer10:26, 15 Sep 2007 (UTC)

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If the criticisms are as baseless as you would like to believe, please provide WP:FACT, rather than spreading some beliefs. Springbreak04 09:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Master Rocks!

I love Suma Ching Hai!Ann 04:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

CooL! ;) Good 4u & Have a Blessed New Year! Keep rocking in 2006!

[edit] Critical discussion

I just reverted to restore some information which seemed critical of Suma Ching Hai. I think, from an outside perspective, that this material is essential balence to the article. Thoughts? --TeaDrinker 16:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Yeah, a lot of cultists come to this site and blank stuff all the time in an attempt to do advertising for their leader.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 23:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

You two guys are demonizing a real-Buddha. Stop worshipping demons. Sumachinghaidisciple 04:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Your ignorance of either-or fallacy can be seen in your second sentence and you think you know what a "real-Buddha" is? Springbreak04 09:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

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Erm... Non-followers of Master Ching Hai can think what they think? I think it would be acceptable for Wikipedia to have some "critical" information. After all, it's Wikipedia, and it's supposed to reflect general knowledge/belief. Just that people should know that they need to take things with more than a few pinches of salt. ~


"You two guys are demonizing a real-Buddha. Stop worshipping demons. " That is one of the most retarded statements I've ever heard. This person is a deluded fraud who distorted the original Buddhist sutras at best and a swindling cultist at worst. Your ingorance is appaling. Intranetusa 22:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Misplaced comment

Moving this from the article
[Note from a reader: Whoever wrote this doesn't seem to know that the My Lai Massacre happened in 1968, not in 1950. Also, if Ching Hai was born in the 50s, she was a teen in 1968, and if she did have a child, that child would not possibly be 20 until at least the late 80s, not "at the height of the war".] —This unsigned comment was added by 200.126.205.100 (talk • contribs) .


[edit] Her Picture

Would be alright to add her picture found the Quan Yin article to her biography article? If so how? Thanks 154.5.1.117 03:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I have added a picture placeholder so that it is easier for anyone to put up a valid picture. Truthexplorer 10:00, 3 Apr 2007 (UTC)

[edit] It's important we get this right...

At the very top of this page is a link to the Wikipedia policies on Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons. We should adhere to this. This is ESPECIALLY important to those of us who are disciples, as the consequences of any errors or perceived bias will be more severe. Remember at all times that the Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia. Maybe what's needed is some serious effort at finding sources. As it stands, going by Wikipedia policy, a great deal of what's on the page should be deleted.

If you're not sure at any time how to go about things, can I suggest treating it as if you were writing a college/university essay on someone you'd never met before.

Currawong2007 00:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)Currawong2007

[edit] A Call for Unbiased Biography

I have researched the internet sources cited in the biography and revised the biography to more accurately reflect what was written. I didn't delete any information previously stated -- just made it more concise and organised. I also removed all the biased and weasel words and phrases to give a more neutral POV. This is, as stated before, a living person's biography, and as such we must follow the guidelines given. I respectfully ask BInguyen to give a valid reason for reverting my work. Thank you. Sg2ns5 16:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Politics section

I removed the second reference to the un-cited comment about her earning more than Clinton, as it's already at the top and has nothing to do with politics. What I should do is, remove EVERYTHING that has no citation. A large amount of un-cited material relates to the Quan Yin Method - maybe that entire section should just refer to the main Quan Yin Method article, so that the work of obtaining proper citations can be done there. That way, Wikipedia's standards for biographies is being followed.
Supreme Master Ching Hai was also recently present at UNESCO World Theatre Day, so if someone else doesn't write up a section on this, I will at some point (I don't have sources at the moment). Since this page is her biography, it should focus on her and things she has done, with proper references. If proper references aren't available, clarify the source, eg, The Supreme Master News Magazine stated such and such or whatever.
If we are very strict about this, then it's better. If everything un-cited is removed, and things added ONLY when we have a citation (even if it's not perfect) - it's better to have little or nothing than just what we want to have.

  • I agree that there is too much duplication of content between this and Quan Yin Method page. A reorganization seems warranted to make things more concise and remove duplicated contents. Truthexplorer | Discuss 19:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oops

I apologise for my oversight---I did not realise that her father being Chinese are only merely reports and not in official biography--however other people might not have a similar foresight. Anyway, I thank truthexplorer for reminding me. Mr Tan 13:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

  • It's cool. It's not your oversight, but rather I think this article is too fragmented that it's quite easy to get misled. Due to the many insertions & reversions, the article just isn't flowing. It jumps from one idea to another in the same paragraph. I will see if I can reorganize so that it is more coherent. That's why the article is still rated 'B'. Truthexplorer 18:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bibliography Section

I think we should remove the bibliography section completely rather than add every single work that she has done as it serves no real purpose. It is already been established at the beginning of the article that she is a painter and author. I am not aware of any other biography wiki entry having a list of titles of their own works.

Anybody have any thoughts? 72.233.9.124 09:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

  • The Bibliography section supports her work as a painter and author. If you check out other wiki biographies of writers (e.g. JK Rowling) and painters (e.g. Picasso), you will see they have their work listed. Sg2ns5 19:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How about a section on SMTV?

There's a link to Supreme Master Television website, but there's no section/article on it. How about writing one? I could to do it myself, but I'm not good at writing... So... Someone? It would be good for increasing awareness. ~

[edit] Add citaton and some information

1. "Afterwards, 19-year-old Trinh married a German international relief worker, moved to Britain, and then to Germany." Although this comes from the citated reports, but till today no one could ever show any evidence, witness or even the German international relief worker that is described in the sentence. It is better not to put on things according to the reports that sometimes were based only on somebody "I heard from..., it was said..., I supposed... or it was very likely...", even if they found them wrong later, they didn't bother to correct them or made any claims later, and by far no real evidence was found and no person ever showed up that could prove this event first hand.

2."In the years after her enlightenment, Ching Hai lived the life of a Tibetan Buddhist nun." "Tibetan Buddhist nun" here is a misnomer. It is more proper to put it this way "After her enlightenment, Ching Hai lived the life of a Buddhist nun." In Oriental tradition, the life style of "Tibetan Buddhist nun" is different from "Buddhist nun" at that time.

3. "She continued to dress as a nun up until around 1990 when she began wearing her own fashion designs and grew out her hair.[citation needed]" The citation could be found at "http://www.godsdirectcontact.com/audioclips/videolist.html" inside the "921030 Love Between Master & Disciples Yang Min Shan, Formosa" viedeo. She mentioned this issue inside this Yang Min Shan video series. So the more precise year should be around 1992.

Expollai 04:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Add ciation of Teachings

1. "Not until one becomes fully enlightened through meditation," Ching Hai says, "will true happiness and permanent freedom from suffering be obtained."[citation needed]

The citation needed here could be found at http://www.godsdirectcontact.com/meditation/Inner_Peace.htm

2."Thus, she often tells her disciples that she is always with them, supporting and protecting them, even if her physical body isn't near.[citation needed]"

The citation needed here could be found at http://godsdirectcontact.us/sm21/enews/www/163/index2.htm Master Says Catch Up with the Pace of Universal Development and also http://www.godsdirectcontact.com/lectures/Is_God_A_Being_Or_A_Non-Being.htm#SEC6 Open This Power Within Through The Correct Technique

3."Eric Lai's thesis "Spiritual Messiah Out of Taiwan." As the original source isn't available on the internet in it's original wording, and it's original sources uncited, it is difficult to determine if it's sources were credible or not." This thesis is a graduate thesis in journalism at Berkeley written in 1995(According to the website). It looked lke the sources of this thesis mostly were not first hand or from persons being familiar with Ching Hai. Because what were said were foreign to the persons who were with her or familiar with her during that period of time. After so many years, still no supporting evidence was found that could support most of what were said inside the article. Actually some official goverment documents could offer good prove and clarification. But they involve a person's privacy. If there is anything that Ching Hai didn't claim, then the person that claimed it should at least show certain definite evience to support his words, otherwise it is better not said or let reader know it was without definit or reliable base.

Expollai 04:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Politics

Reverted "cultist member" Charlie Trie. 10 years after 1996 crisis between Taiwan and China, both the Chinese and American military department declassified a part of secrete documents. The facts disclosed in those documents proved what Trie's concern and the writtings about the America's intervention in China's military exercises being conducted near Taiwan. At that time he sensed war with China was a possibility should U.S. intervention continue:

“ ...[O]nce the hard parties of the Chinese military incline to grasp U.S. involvement as foreign intervention, is [sic] U.S. ready to face such [a] challenge[?]... [I]t is highly possible for China to launch [sic] real war based on its past behavior in [sic] Sino-Vietnam war and Zhen Bao Tao war with Russia — Charlie Trie in a letter to President Clinton, March 21, 1996[4] ”

Although only parts of the documents were released, and some aborted actions still remaining unknown to the general public, but the declassified parts are enough to prove certain insights and facts at that time.

Expollai 04:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] about dispute

She is a dispute person in Taiwan and other Asia country. She have Followers,But local newspaper always pointed out that She earn too much in her religion activities. According to news ,She can earn more than 300M US dollars in one activity.The Traditional Buddhists call her heresy and bouncer.--Oriontw 03:28, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion is insufficient reason for putting this wiki under dispute. All the information has been properly cited and referenced. Please refer to WP:AD. Sg2ns5 18:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Most of the reference come from Ching Hai's, not third party's reference.Now this article more likes her personal promotion.--Oriontw 07:04, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
If you read the references clearly, all information cited about her are 3rd party. All other non-3rd party references (mostly by Expollai) points to her actual speeches. Please do not discredit a lot of people's work here. Also, please read the Living Bio policy referenced at the top of this page. Potentially libelous remarks are to be avoided. Truthexplorer 00:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
The third party's reference should be reliable and could be proved or at least first hand, not just hearsay or some information being produced at home. For example, some reported that her formal highest education was master degree and some repoted that she only graduated from high school, didn't even receive college education. Anyway, no one ever show solid evidence about this, and she didn't make any statement about this, so, it was not mentioned here. This is not a place to put all unverified informations on, and hope all related persons would clarify themselves. Another example, if one person was reported secretely married 5 times, and actually he only married once, how could he prove himself. Under this condition, the reporter had the responsibility to show the evidence; and if that person didn't clarify publicly, or issued a lawsuit about this, it didn't mean that he admitted what was reported and acknowledge that information. Maybe he was occupied with other much more important things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Expollai (talk • contribs) 10:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Celestia De Lamour

Shouldn't the fact that she also goes by the pseudonym Celestia De Lamour <"Mysterious, illegal island found in Biscayne Bay, linked to sect." Miami Herald (Miami, FL) (March 18, 2004)> be mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.139.22.2 (talk) 15:07, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vietnamese

The link to the Vietnamese translation is busted.

Also please add the Chinese characters of her Vietnamese name. Jidanni (talk) 00:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)