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[edit] Kuai and yuan

In some parts of China, it (yuan) is colloquially known as the kuai.

I disagree with the above statement in the article. Yuan is a unit name, kuai is a counter. When people say yi kuai 一塊, they are only abbreviating from yi kuai qian 一塊錢. So if you equate "one dollar" with "one piece of coin", then you cannot say dollar and piece are the same by dropping the word coin after the abbreviation. Kowloonese 02:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is the Second Yuan the Gold Yuan?

I am sure that, in November 1935 the Chinese government made what you called as the first yuan fiat money and is called fabi (legal currency) or Chinese National Currency Yuan (CNC$). The Gold Yuan of 1948 is actually used to replace this, not the silver yuan.Samuel Curtis 08:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Silver yuan note of 1949 replaced gold yuan at the rate of 1 silver yuan = 500 million gold yuan. I believe what happened in 1935 did not involve any "exchange rate" like the gold yuan or silver yuan. --Chochopk 09:18, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Silver yuan (pre-1935) are converted to CNC$ at par, but CNC$, before 1937, was pegged to GBP and USD. In any rate, CNC$ and the silver dollar (pre-1935) are considered different currencies and should not be put under the same heading.Samuel Curtis 15:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I agree

I agree with Kowloonese. yuan is the noun, kuai is the measure word. Also the article states that 1 yuan can be divided into 10 jiao and 1 jiao into 10 fen. This is not correct. There is no smaller denomination that 1 jiao. Once again I believe the author is confusing measure words with nouns. Jiao is the noun and fen is the measure word. Further more the picture provided showing the yuan currency is correct but out of date. I live in guangzhou and haven't seen that 100 yuan note EVER, with the exception of at a local shopping area where it can be purchased as a collectors item. I believe it's out of print. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BrianHut (talk • contribs) 07:18, 27 June 2007

I have to disagree. I don't think there is no distinction among a unit name, a counter, or a measure word. Yuan (圓/元), jiao (角), fen (分), and kuai (塊) are all units, or counter. What do you mean there is no smaller denomination than 1 jiao? You mean fen is not used in cash payment? That may be true, but fen may be still the legal smallest unit in mainland China. If that's the case, you need to look at the interest from saving account and see to what digit is it rounded to. Regarding the picture, it's nothing a proper caption cannot fix. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 10:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

I was wondering how it would be pronounced in English speaking countries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.101.148.188 (talk) 03:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. How is 'yuan' closer in pronunciation to 'yen'? By the way, I'm a native speaker of mandarin chinese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.245.115.4 (talk) 05:44, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Phonetic Transcription and Sound File needed

Please someone insert an IPA-Transcription and, if possible, a sound file for original chinese pronunciation! --84.112.150.182 (talk) 12:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 7 mace and 2 candareens

I guess this is what you would call a chinese dragon dollar. Lots of the lighter version of this stuff is showing up in the flea markets around here, and maybe some info about them would make sense if added here. According to one websource there are at least 300 different varieties of the underweight dollar sized reputedly chinese seemingly silver coins. The 10 Marshals Series, and the Individual Emperors of at least several Different dynasties which seem to each also have a series, the 4 Great Beauties of Ancient China series, and the Sang Huang Wudi series, all or most of which could be commemoratives ? However at least one of these series seems to be denominated in cash, and some others are actually marked 1 yuan. Also there are forgeries of actual yuan and dragon dollars, and restrikes, (which I guess is that coin in the correct metal content but not stuck at the date specied ?). I have found many here that weigh 18-22 grammes v. the about 27 grammes for the 7 mace and 2 candareens originals. I would be willing to help with this, but if I do it myself I may make a mess of it.John5Russell3Finley 17:42, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peso?

I have been trying to find a source which agrees with the assertion here that the Mexican Peso was used as the standard of value for the Yuan, but other than the statement here, in this article, I can find no references to support this viewpoint. Could others help me to confirm this fact, if fact it is, or to find a proper refutation? -- Jolliette Alice Bessette, -- 23:20, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

For a reference that you can cite, try looking for books on Chinese economic history at the nearest university library. The term "yuan" referred to the Mexican (originally, Spanish) dollar (silver peso). The British East India Company traded to Canton regularly in the 18th century and it paid for its purchases at Canton (the only Chinese port open to foreign trade after 1757) with Spanish Carolus dollars. By 1840 the dollar (peso) had become the standard coin in the Canton trade and was relatively common in China south of the Yangtze.Sivasova (talk) 15:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)