Talk:Children of the Gods

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Where was there full frontal nudity during the episode? o_O --69.160.104.96 00:30, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Hee hee. I just saw the DVD and was like WTF? R RATED? :) --216.191.87.74 20:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

The summary that I wrote requires improvement. Please improve as you see fit. Splintercellguy 22:10, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

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How does Apophis dial out after invading the SGC? If I recall the scene correctly, it looks like he just walks through the open stargate which has never been shut down... thus being annihilated. I smell an inconsistency...BladeRunner99 22:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

He point's to the control room, we then cut to scenes of SGC soldiers preparing to defend, when we cut back the gate is open. I guess we will have to assume that the Jaffa went and worked out how to open the gate using the computers upstairs. Either that or they opened it manually, the gate appears to have been connected to the power system still. Cheez talk 13:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

But Carter hadn't compensated for stellar drift yet. There were only two addresses the Earth gate could dial to, Abydos and the plannet Ernest Littlefield got stuck on from the episode "The Torment of Tantalus". Even if Apophus did have someone take control of the computers upstairs or dial manually, he should've been stuck with a big WTF look on his face, unless he dialed one of the two addresses that worked. However, no one dialed Abydos because they were keeping watch over the gate there, and the other planet had no working DHD. Even if they did show up, how did they escape, and why didn't Ernie not notice the only visitors he's had in over 50 years? Nope, it's a definite inconsistency. Alas . . . fiction. What can you do?  :-) --Bark 15:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

UNLESS he came from a ship that had a stargate and was close enough to Earth to dial properly. Yeah, that's the ticket. --Bark 14:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

: Either Apophis or Teal'c (I forget which) had a device on their gauntlet that reopened the gate by remote. I assume the device is something they always carry along when they go through to places they haven't explored yet, in case the DHD had been destroyed. (DrZarkov 01:39, 6 July 2006 (UTC))

I missed that one, but that would fix the continuity. --Bark 13:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

No, I was wrong. Apophis says something to Teal'c in Goa'uld, to the effect of "open the stargate" then we cut back to sometime later, when the reinforcements arrive, and the Stargate is open again. They skip over just what they do. (Does anyone remember when the Goa'uld "clicker" did show up? Because I remembered seeing it before Cassandra had one in 1969.) That isn't the only weird thing either, two Jaffa spotaneously die before the reinforcements arrive, since only Teal'c and a single Jaffa are left when Hammond and his crew get there. (DrZarkov 04:05, 7 July 2006 (UTC))

Well, now we're back on square one. Sheesh. Although NOT addressing the details of that incursion is another way of dealing with continuity too. LOL. --Bark 13:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

" However, it is clear that certain laws are violated in the beginning. When Apophis and his personal guard come to earth, they leave through the same wormhole that they entered through, a feat that, is later established, is impossible."

Regardless of how exactly it was accomplished, the Gate is de-activated after Apophis came through and then re-activated, which is why I removed the above text from the main page. JBK405 21:09, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Sci Fi channel is airing this episode tonight. I want to catch what happens. It's been so long, I can't remember. --Bark 12:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I just watched the opening scene. The Gate disengages after Apophis comes through, the camera is facing it as it does so and you see it click off. The scene cuts to soldiers reinforcing the Gateroom, then it goes back to Apophis and the Gate is on again. You do not see it reactivated, and don't see how it's done, but it really could simply be that they dialed manually. That gets rid of the "No DHD" problems and doesn't require them to know how to use the Earth computers controlling the Gate, and the galactic drift issues don't really apply since the Goa'uld would know the current addresses of all the Gates, since they've been using them for the past several millenia and don't need to make the jump from 5,000 years ago to now. It's still just conjecture, and thus I'm not saying we should put it in the article, but I think it's pretty clear that it was just manual (Or a remote). JBK405 22:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Confirmed. I think the show decided the less detail they showed with that scene, the better. I still think the "stellar drift" factor is tetchy, but whatever. It's fiction anyway. I still like the show.  :-) --Bark 13:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

What's tetchy about it? The Goa'uld know the current position of the Gates, since they use them, so they know the correct current addresses. Just because we don't know them is no reason for them not to. JBK405 20:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Easy, big guy.  :-) I'm just commenting on the tactic writers (in general, not just SG-1 writers, but all writers) use of leaving lots of room for interpretation by not stating something, one way or another, when things get in the weeds. --Bark 13:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I know this conversation seems to have gone dead, but I'll just add in something. I totally agree that this is an inconsistency. First, the Goa'uld could not have dialed with the computer, as they have never seen English (they left thousands of years before its creation and there was no English in Abydos). Second, they couldn't have dialed manually, as the complex would have shaken around substantially as with the dialings immediately before and after. Only the incoming wormholes do not shake up the complex this early in the show, and I would assume it was that the writers had not worked out the one-way street sign (sic) for the wormholes yet. Even so, they would have had to communicate back exactly when to open the wormhole (not possible) and gotten out of the way of the event horizon leaping forward (not shown).

Even if there was a ship in orbit, there's an inconsistency with the dialing procedure between the film (which came immediately before) and the rest of the episodes (which came afterward) in so much that: in the film, chevrons on both Earth and Abydos are based on constellations and thus different (Daniel manually calculates them), while in the series, chevrons appear to be "standardized" on the DHDs and SG-1 (or any team for that matter) is never shown charting chevrons/constellations again. What I'm trying to say is that if the pilot followed the same chevron scheme as the film, the Goa'uld would not have known what chevrons to dial even if a ship was nearby, while if it followed the series scheme, they may have been able to know its position, but not able to dial out for the reasons listed above.

Anybody else see a plausible solution, without disregarding either the film or series? 69.181.119.80 07:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

This was actually my comment, though apparently I was logged out. A Checkuser can confirm this, if anybody's really that interested. thadius856_{talk|airports|neutrality} 18:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I am watching it on Sky Two just now, and when you watch Walter dialling the gate, the keyboard he uses has the gate symbols, as opposed to the usual "Qwerty" layout. Any Jaffa sent into this room may possibly recognise these, and know which symbols to press. Bear in mind, the squad directly under the First Prime, and directly accompanying Apophis would not presumably be the ones renowned for brute force and ignorance, otherwise they wouldn't be in a job for long. Apophis also does appear to have assorted hand & wrist gizmoes, so one of them may be a remote dialler, since the Goa'uld would surely be aware of the risk of worlds with no available DHDs.81.145.241.233 (talk) 16:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)Lance Tyrell

There probably isn't one, at least not that doesn't conflict with the film or the series. However, there are several differences between the series and the film anyway (O'Neil vs. O'Neill and Shau'ri vs. Sha're, the result of creative differences with the film's creators I've heard; and things like Daniel commenting in Season Eight that he used to "look down at the Stargate" from the briefing room while he was working on the coverstones, even though he didn't first see it until he'd already solved the puzzle). It's probably safest to assume that where the series and the film contradict each other, the series is right regarding canon.

That said, I'm not sure where you get the idea that Daniel somehow "calculated" the coordinates - the address to Abydos is on the coverstones of the Earth gate; the address to Earth is on the catacomb wall on Abydos. Agree on the point of standardization, though - seriously, how lucky is it that the gate system uses the constellations visible from Earth? Still, the "shaking" complaint you offer isn't valid simply because that's a result of stellar drift for which the SGC computer, but presumably not the Goa'uld who had been using the system for millenia, had not compensated. One imagines that the Goa'uld would logically have the proper addresses, so there would be no shaking for a manual dial-out. The Mink Ermine Fox 11:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Shau'ri or Sha're 2 DHD contradictions 3 Don't understand this bit - 4 Re-make 5 DVD Age Ratings

[edit] Shau'ri or Sha're

In the film, her name is Shau'ri. In Stargate SG-1, her name is Sha're. Since this is the beginning of SG-1, shouldn't her name be Sha're in the article? --Dani 20:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I made the changes. The Mink Ermine Fox 11:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DHD contradictions

Let's put an end to this revert war, shall we? The Talk page is here so that we don't need to communicate via the little Note tags on edits, and for discussing changes.

Now, plain and simple, in this episode Daniel and Carter state, in dialogue, that the reason Daniel can not dial any of the addresses he found on the Abydonian cartouche is that, as a result of stellar drift, the addresses are no longer accurate. However, in later episodes it is stated, again in dialogue, that DHD's make periodic and automatic updates to compensate for stellar drift. I am more than willing to concede that this might not be a "Goof" per se, since for all we know it's intentional (And therefor not a mistake), but it is a clear contradiction between the episodes with no explanation. These articles are meant to be more than simple plot summaries, they're meant to give additional information on the episode and the series, and though I really do hate the articles with Trivia sections that are longer than the actual synopsis (And I edit them down whenever I can), the fact is that two episodes in contradiction deserves to be noted. I'm not trying to say why they contradict, or the result, since that would be my own opinion and conjecture, but their contradiction is not my own thoughts.

You asked for a source, and I can't give you one; I don't know how you source a TV episode. This is stated plainly in dialogue, and if you know how to source on-air dialogue I'll pop it right into the article, but otherwise, it will have to remain in the same state as the entire rest of the article; there's no notes on any other sections, including the plot summary, but nobody contests their authenticity (Except for some of the Trivia notes), since they're from the episode itself. JBK405 20:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

You're interpreting it's a goof/contradiction - this is likely so.. it could just as easily be not, however. Sources are required for content, if you can find a verifiable one that suggests this is a contradiction.. then cite it.. otherwise it doesn't meet the criteria for inclusion: verifiability. Matthew 20:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't it said that, under normal circumstances (i.e. without tampering by Ba'al), there are centuries or more between these updates? I think so, though my memory isn't perfect of course. -- Noneofyourbusiness 03:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

It's actually more like millenia, since after only centuries the stars haven't shifted enough to warrant an update, but yes.

And in response to the request for a source, I in turn as for a source for:

"One year previously, in the events of the movie Stargate, Colonel Jack O'Neill led a team through the Stargate to the planet Abydos. After killing Ra by ringing a nuclear bomb onto Ra's ship as it left Abydos, O'Neill returned to Earth with the two survivors of his team besides Dr. Daniel Jackson, who remained with his new love Sha're and her brother Skaara."

It's the first paragraph of the "Part 1" synopsis, and no source has been presented. No source has been requested, either. Why? Because it's information from within the episode itself, and information from within an episode doesn't require a source. No article of a TV episode anywhere throughout the Stargate realm has sources for the plot synopsis. For the production notes, for "Behind the Scenes" facts, and anything else not presented within the episode itself a source is required, and I personally add the "fact" tag whenever I come across an un-sourced statement, but what I write is presented within the episode. I'm not saying it was a mistake, and not attributing any motive, I'm not adding any conjetucre, I'm just stating what happened in one episode and what happened in another episode. The episode itself is a source. JBK405 03:53, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I know it would logically take millenia, which is why I said "or more". However, Chloe said "I thought those were supposed to happen only once every couple of hundred years." If it takes a very, very long time then it's not necessarily a contradiction because either the update simply hadn't occurred recently enough for addresses other than Abydos and Heliopolis to still be vaild or the DHD on Earth didn't receive the update because it wasn't connected to the stargate for millenia. Edit: Oh, wait. You mean the Abydos DHD, which was still connected to its stargate the whole time. It's possible nonetheless that the last update was so long ago that many addresses were invalid. And, of course, the producers hadn't come up with the idea of correlative updates at the time of the first episode. So if it's contradiction at least it's an understandable one. Thanks for bringing it up, I hadn't noticed that. -- Noneofyourbusiness 04:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

We're talking about the DHD on Abydos, not Earth (The SGC Stargate doesn't have a DHD), and that might make sense (Even though it's slightly illogical), except that we saw Teal'c dial out to Chulak. If the Abydos DHD hadn't been updated in long enough of a time for stellar drift to have occured to a significant degree, then Chulak's address wouldn't have worked (The DHD would be trying to dial a phone number which is no longer in use). Plus, even if that were true, it hasn't been stated within the show, we can't put our own theories into the articles (And believe me, I've got some whopper theories of my own that I would just love to drop in here). Right now we have to stick with what's stated in the show, or verifiable sources. JBK405 04:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

See edit above. I didn't manage to finish typing it before you replied. -- Noneofyourbusiness 04:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

It's possible, of course, but (In my opinion, which I'm not going to argue isn't conjecture) unlikely, and it's unsupported. Like Matthew has been saying, we need sources to advance a theory. Right now the show has offered no explanation for why the DHD wasn't updated here but was updated elsewhere and, regardless of what logical reasons we've got to explain it (Like the producers not yet planning the whole process out), without a source we can't put any ideas in. If they explain it later, great (After all, it was several seasons before Carter got around to explaining why the frost and rocky ride were left out of Gate travel), but until then it's a mystery. JBK405 04:33, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Don't understand this bit -

Start of part 2 - Turbaned guards drag away one of a dozen gauzily dressed young women to be stripped and inspected. Protesting that she's a US Air Force Sergeant, she fails and is killed. Who is protesting? --Fredrick day 11:43, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not clear, but the US Air Force Sergeant who's being dragged away to be stripped and inspected. JBK405 23:51, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re-make

I added information about the remake based on GateWorld.net's story, but it could do with improvement.Richard Jackson (talk) 12:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DVD Age Ratings

There is a part that says all subsequent episodes have been rated 12 at the most. This is not true since the first DVD of the 7th Season is rated 15 so I have changed this. xsamix (talk) 18:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)