Talk:Chibiusa/Archive 01

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The "real" dub voice actor

  • ...can only be speculated about and should not be on an encyclopedia. I like your other edits, Angie Y, so don't take it as an attack against you. :) Danny Lilithborne 22:34, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Pink Ladies Freezing Kiss

  • I don't understand why there's a debate about the name of this attack. Danny Lilithborne 02:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Um... I have the manga right here, and it states "Pink Lady's Freezing Kiss". The "Pink Lady" is Chibiusa. I have no idea why Naoko decided to make it a Linked Technique. If anything, it should be "Pink Ladies' Freezing Kiss". 02:46, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
  • It's Pink Ladies Freezing Kiss because all of the Sailor Quartet are shouting, if you'd like a scan, you can find one here: http://sailormoon.takeuchi-naoko.com/info/magic/attacks/pinkladiesfreezingkissmbw.jpg which clearly shows that it's a group attack.

black lady

we need a small section on black lady and a picture —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.98 (talk • contribs) .

I aggree... I'd provide a pic but i don't know how to go about uploading one and what actions i have to take to make it a legal screen cap...--Lego3400: The Sage of Time 17:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I've had a go at it - Image:Black_Lady_Sailor_Moon.jpg - it probably still needs some resizing, or something. Hope it doesn't contravene anything. - Malkinann 08:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
It could be a little lower-resolution, maybe, but either way I think it looks great. :D --Masamage 16:28, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Princesses Article

Just so you all know, I've made a new article at Princesses (Sailor Moon). This was mostly for the other Senshi (who all had nearly-unique stub articles about them), but since Chibiusa's on it I thought I'd mention. Please feel free to edit and cite to your heart's content! ^_^ --Masamage 05:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Article name

Two different philosophies about the Senshi's article names have been brought up on the Talk:Sailor Moon page, so it seems useful to discuss it here.

Philsophy 1: The articles are named after the girls themselves, and we're using their legal names. Therefore, this article should be called something different from what is now--Chibiusa Tsukino, most likely. (Or Usagi Small Lady Serenity Tsukino, or Usagi Tsukino II, or something else.)

Philosophy 2: The articles are named the way the characters are referred to in the series. In the front of individual manga books, and in the materials collection, Naoko Takeuchi lists the characters by the names Tsukino Usagi, Chiba Mamoru, Mizuno Ami, etc. Yet Chibiusa is simply listed as Chibiusa--no last name, (even though she does have one, and even though this is only a nickname). Therefore, the article name should stay the way it is.

I personally am in favor of philosophy 2. For one thing, that's the name people most often know her by (including characters in the series). For another, Chibiusa Tsukino is technically not her name at all; if we were really to put legal names, it would indeed have to be Usagi Small Lady Serenity Tsukino, which just seems too darn long. :P

Any thoughts? What do you all think? --Masamage 03:22, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

But don't forget about common names: Use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things. That is why, in example, Pelé has the soccer player's article, while Edson Arantes do Nascimento, his real name, is a redirect. -- ReyBrujo 04:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I'd rather not Chibiusa Tsukino, because she is never referred to as that. 130.95.106.154 01:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I guess I should also mention I'm in favor of leaving it. --Masamage 01:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Didn't she only refer to herself as "Tsukino" when she enrolled in school, because she was pretending to be Usagi's cousin/sister? -SaturnYoshi 07:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
I found an obscure precedent that could be discounted. In the Materials Collection it's stated as Tsukino Chibiusa in the Parallel Sailormoon story... and in it she's not from the future... however, Parallel Sailormoon is not canon... but a side story... so it could be discounted on those grounds. Her name issues are sticky though. However the same thing showed up in the side story collection showing it was intentional and not a mistake.--Hitsuji Kinno 03:00, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, remember, the discussion isn't over whether her name is Tsukino or not. The discussion is over whether that matters in terms of the article name. (As per the two philosophies above.) Rey's comments about using the most common name make a lot of sense to me. --Masamage 08:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm also in agreement to keep the name as it is, as per it being what she is most commonly called. I only hope that it won't be changed to "Rini" *ugh!* -SaturnYoshi 09:58, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Haha~ --Masamage 16:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Or Rini Shields ^_^ I'm with philosophy 2. Danny Lilithborne 00:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
While we're at it: Usagi Tsukino can become Serena "Bunny" Shields. -SaturnYoshi 05:21, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
If we change it now it would cause a lot of links to turn into deadends or redirects. Also ChibiUsa is a fine article name Lego3400: The Sage of Time 17:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Manga image

I propose removing (and probably deleting) Image:Sailor Chibi Moon 01.jpg, the former lead image. I switched it out in favor of one from the same set as those of the Inner Senshi, and initially thought to leave it in the article, but...it really doesn't add any value. It seems decoration rather than illustration. --Masamage 07:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I suppose you're right. Also, there's really no other place to put it either. -SaturnYoshi 07:53, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I've removed it from the article and tagged it with an "orphaned" template. This way if anyone wants to save it, they've got seven days to figure out how. --Masamage 18:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Invisible info

I have noticed that in the edit window there is a section about her relatives (being the daughter of Usagi and Mamoru) in the infobox, however the main article doesn't show this. Is this intentional? -SaturnYoshi 08:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it's invisible because the herobox people are considering removing that field, but I'm not sure exactly what state said discussion is in. --Masamage 18:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Template Issues

This article has a different template than that of the rest of the articles. However, it's more detailed than the previous articles. So how do you want to comprimise this? It's confusing as is. Unless you want to upgrade the rest to be coionsistent with this one it will be difficult. If it's like the others then tsome info will have to be cut and lost. The division between the manga and anime is less confusing as well. So how should this be tackled? The info as is is not incorrect. Any thoughts? Should the other articles try to live up to this one, or should this be oreoirganized or what? --Hitsuji Kinno 15:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Well...I personally feel like this article has way too much information...I'm curious if anyone else has the same inclination. --Masamage 03:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Hmm.. could we get some comparisons compared to other anime profiles outside of SM that have higher grades? Then we can see which direction to take... If most articles of a higher grade has tons of info, even minutia, I'd vote to go for the higher grade, and then format things into that direction eventually. Also if the info is not fancruft should it be eliminated? We need to decide how deep the information will go. Or we can even ask someone from the Anime Project pages too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment
So the balance here is "excessive" and "an expert finding something wanting". Asking a Anime Project person might help specifically for this.... I would vote to see if we could find out how to specifically improve this article and if the info is excessive.--Hitsuji Kinno 15:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, the places where it's got too much info are not character facts at all, they're plot. We need to figure out how we're organizing plot coverage, and then move most of that stuff out there. This should only be a basic character overview, not a story page. Mentioning important events and linking out for the whole story would be perfect. --Masamage 17:12, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Ahh... Perhaps if we begin setting up the plot coverage we can figure out what goes where and how? Even a rudimentary plot coverage page for the manga/Anime might help this page emensely. Then try to up the level of coverage of the CHARACTER on this page. It's also missing a few sections of info too that was agreed on the template. Mamoru's page has the same kind of issues, BTW. Do you want to fix it? If you don't have time, perhaps deligating might be good too. Then when it's formatted I'll be happy to add to those sections info that pertains to the character, like who she recieved Luna-P from (which aparatenly was NOT Pluto... she enters the Time Gate *with* Luna-P in the manga, Pluto merely showed her the trick with it "Abracadabra Pon"). And also magical objects, etc. --Hitsuji Kinno 15:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree, setting up plot pages really seems like an important next step to get this all tidied up. Since I'm so into templatelikes, I suggest that we get Sailor Stars up to speed first of all, then start tossing the other four arc pages up.
And yeah, this and the Mamoru one both need to be consistentifiedizx0r'd. So, I guess...whichever of us gets to 'em first? :] --Masamage 19:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Double Sailor Moon Kick?

Where does this combo attack happen? I can't find it anywhere, but it seems familiar. --Masamage 03:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

In the episode "Art is an Explosion of Love! Chibiusa's First Love". Found in Sailor Moon S Episode #107(Jp). -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 06:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Haha, I watched that like a week ago! No wonder I recognized the thing. ^_^ --Masamage 16:24, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I haven't seen that episode in a while. I'm suprised I remembered which one it was. I just had to look up the title, instead of trying to explain the episode. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 20:52, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
That was me who put that in. I have the first three season in JP /w subs. The third season also has an english adieo file though i only use that to rewatch funny parts <_< Lego3400: The Sage of Time 10:43, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Cleaning of Template

I cleaned up the template. I have to add back in the info that was deleted, but I left a rudimentary description in its place. It's now conforming to template, but needs refleshing out. I left the Items part in the template since it looks like this will be added to the Ami Mizuno template too. No use in deleting info that will be added back in. This part of the profile is rather useful. I'll add the manga, anime and more detailed general info later. --Hitsuji Kinno 03:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Luna-P

Should Luna-P get its own sub section on this page or another page? I would suggest listing out the things it transforms into by act/episode for those fanatical fans and also basic properties beyond the usual items page. Also Luna-P has a history of its own which differs manga to anime and some of its own cultural phenomenon which separates it from most other objects... or should it get its own page? --Hitsuji Kinno 03:20, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

If we start up Items subsections, let's start out by giving Luna-P its own sub-sub-section. We don't need to list every form it's ever had, but we can mention a few important ones and go into its history. --Masamage 00:57, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Parallel Sailormoon

Should this be mentioned in the article under Versions at all or should it be left out? --Hitsuji Kinno 15:21, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm? That wasn't Chibiusa, it was her hypothetical sister. --Masamage 00:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Eh? How so, it lists her as Tsuikino Chibiusa and then First Daughter of the Tsukino Household... Umm... So how so? It might be Chibiusa from an AR, but it's still Chibiusa. Or are you trying to pull my leg? O.o;; --Hitsuji Kinno 01:16, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Heh. Chibiusa is in the story, yes, but she doesn't do anything special or notable (except wear glasses, I suppose). The little girl who annoys her friends and turns into Parallel Sailor Moon is Kousagi. --Masamage 18:41, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Notable things: Though she's older, and wears glasses he also doesn't have the long hair like in the manga earlier versions of drawing her (Particularly the artbooks and the part where she grows up). She's also listed as Tsukino Chibiusa, first daughter of the Tsukino household (Which differs from the manga since Tsukino was never tacked on in any of the picture diaries or the manga with the name Chibiusa--so her name could actually be Chibiusa and not Princess Usagi Small Lady Serenity... since this is an AR manga). She plays ji-kan-pon with Kousagi to stick her with caring for the rabbits. (So even she doesn't seem to care much about he sister) She also scolds Usagi for being a bad parents, which she did not do previously in the manga. In the manga they tended to bicker, but Chibiusa never really scolded Usagi, who is clearly her mother and Chibiusa isn't form the future (since this is AR). Her school uniform appears not to be the Juuban Uniform... I'd say that's enough to make mention of it somewhere. I can support that with quotes without ambiguity. This could go on the Parallel Sailormoon proper page though when it's created. --Hitsuji Kinno 19:58, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Salior Cosmos perhaps?

"Small Lady in the manga will become Princess Lady Serenity when she has matured enough. In the manga she is shown in the far future as Lady Serenity, a lady with white hair praying, who appears in Helios's dreams. This form also shows up in the artbook IV and then is mentioned again in the Materials Collection." Who else do we know that has white hair and Wears her hair in the "odango Style"? Sailor Cosmos! Is it possible that Chibi-Usa is Sailor Cosmos? -- Lego3400

We'll never know. X) --Masamage 18:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
No, because the hairstyle is clearly cones. Let me pull the image up now that Mangastyle is back. http://mangastyle.net/book4/nt4-013.jpg I should also note that Neo Queen Serenity in some images also has white hair. In fact, Princess Serenity also did. However, Princess Serenity images with her hair white stopped after arc 2. I think is because it related to the triple goddess imagry and color bases. White tends to be more of a "mother" color in many ways. I do have a loose theory that the Maboroshi no Ginzuishou could bleach hair... but that's pure fan speculation on my part. With SM having reincarnation, incarnation and so on, a thousand poissiblities is possible including a blatant self-insert =P which is why it shouldn't make it to this page or any other until official confirmation one way or the other is made (if she still remembers!)--Hitsuji Kinno 23:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Profile image

Does anyone know, or can you find out, what episode the screenshot in the Profile section is from? Or a website that has the same image? It'll get deleted if we don't figure that out. --Masamage 01:54, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Get a new image for the page then? Any suggestions?--Hitsuji Kinno 07:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
We need a new one... Its gone now... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs) 22:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC).