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[edit] Notes on clean up

I noticed the bit on Lady Selenity was pared down to one sentence. I think it's fair to add one or two more sentences--nothing huge, but something like on the future appearance and how it relates (only a bit to) Helios (i.e. he saw the future form in a dream--not a whole thing on the relationship).

I added extensive references for the stats. I'm still missing the Irwin boxes... (which bugs me) so I did the best I could with what I have. I also am missing a reference for the fact that Chibiusa hates ghosts. I can't remember the episode or manga act that would have/mention this directly. But that should clean things up a bit in terms of stats. I'm going to ghost reference the toy boxes for now... until someone comes up with refernces (i.e. from Irwin toy boxes) The manga also never directly mentios element, only indicates it. --Hitsuji Kinno 07:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

A little more about Lady Serenity would be good, just so long as it's not redundant. ^_^ What you suggest sounds great.

I wonder if some toy-collector website has stuff about the boxes? Or scans? --Masamage 20:27, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rini or Reeni, ChibiUsa or Chibi-Usa

Rini is pronuced RIN-e, How ever most of the time they pronouce it Re-knee (Rhymes with Teeny acording to her *Cringe* When it is pronuced that way, i've seen it spelled Reeni. Just wanted to note this and see if the spelling is fact or Fancruft.
Also, I've also seen Chibiusa Spelled Chibi-Usa, Again, which is fact and which is not (or are they both legit spellings or is it not really certain(Sorta like the whole thing about Inuyasha vs Inu-Yasha, Vs InuYasha...) Lego3400: The Sage of Time 17:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I always used to spell it Reeny, but the dubbed episode 113 is called "Rini's Risky Friendship," which I guess solidifies the spelling.

I'm kind of undecided on the Chibiusa/Chibi Usa thing. What we're using seems to win the Google-hits contest. --Masamage 19:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Rini was also used by a VA (the previous to Stephanie Beard) on the show in an interview, which is no longer up. (Sources for the show have disappeared a lot) So, I think it's safe to use Rini. Chibiusa comes from Volume 11 of the manga, and is generally supported in the anime books, making it official. Note that usa is an alternate way of pronouncing the kanji for rabbit, so it doesn't really need a space... besides, in Japanese there are no such things as spaces. Japanese when spelling English have trouble with understanding it anyhow. --Hitsuji Kinno 19:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Chibi Usa I know is wrong but what about Chibi-Usa (NOTE THE -!)Lego3400: The Sage of Time 20:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Again, the reference Manga volume 11. Anime books, and other paraphernalia... There has never been a hyphen... --Hitsuji Kinno 03:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

The hyphen was added by the subbers. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 03:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

In all of USA Book/DVD/VHS sources, her name is spelled as "Rini". Although her name IS a diminutive of "Serena" it was never mentioned that "Serena" was an alternate name. Her Japanese name "Chibiusa" is usually written as one word (Manga, Cards, LDs) but sometimes with a space as "Chibi Usa" which has shown up in the authorised editions of the TV media books. Also, the nickname "Chibiusa" (in the anime - not sure about the manga) was given to Usagi by Kyuusuke on her first day of elementary school in the 20th Century. This was shown in a flashback in episode #081. In episode #061 they are already calling her "Chibiusa" and she hates it, so Usagi must have got it from other students, but we never see it actually occur. I was going to change this in the article itself, but I am not sure how the name originated in the manga though coz in the Tokyo pop version it's different to the Japanese one, and I haven't translated my new editions of the manga. ~ Fighter4luv 15:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks like, in both the original and the reprint, Usagi is the first one to call her 'Chibi Usagi' and then Mamoru calls her 'Chibi Usa'. Ikuko calls her 'Usa-chan' at first. [1] --Masamage ♫ 00:38, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah ok, cool. Well definitely in the anime, it's made to look like Kyuusuke was the first to call her "Chibiusa", so I am not sure how that works since it's not till ep#081 that we see any of her friends. Usagi was the first person to call her "Chibiusa", when she went missing in her second episode.. and Mamoru seemed to know who that was, so from that first episode to the second, who knows what went on :/ ~ Fighter4luv 03:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I also double-checked the dub and confirmed that you're right; she never has a name until post-hypnosis Sammy calls her Rini. It's weird, though, because the episode is called "Serena Times Two" and in the opening sequence Serena's voice over says she's "saying she is me!" So I guess they forgot to actually have her do that. --Masamage ♫ 04:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

They are always stuffing themselves up on stuff like that though. BTW Moon Prism Box has updated and now has Chibi Moon's profile. So in the manga she is 900 when she first appears, & has the appearance of a 8 year old. ~ Fighter4luv 11:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Awesome. 900 was in the manga, but 8 wasn't. :D --Masamage ♫ 17:10, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added soldier titles

Someone added soldier titles without sources. I'm preparing them for deletion if the sources aren't listed with proof (give you a week). Note that Soldier in training is not a title, but a rank. What's the difference? A private is a rank, a Title is King. Titles are usually passed along, or inherited. A rank is something you earn over the course of time. Sailor Chibi Moon is in training right now to become the next Sailor Moon. Being in training is like being an apprentice which is also a rank (before journeyman)--so it's not a title. If you can prove it's title then I'll accept it. She's never said apprentice soldier either. Technically she's acting more like a journeyman than an apprentice... if anyone has noticed or kept tally. Princess Soldier is a title given to her, nothing she earned.--Hitsuji Kinno 03:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

That was me. The translation of her anime introductions is "An apprentice to a pretty sailor suited soldier, Sailor ChibiMoon!" Its a cannon title.Lego3400: The Sage of Time 01:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Sounds more like a descriptive noun than a title. --Masamage 03:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Description, not title... Any objections to it being deleted at this point? --Hitsuji Kinno 09:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sailor Mini Moon

Chibiusa is known as "Sailor Mini Moon" ONLY in English anime. --PJ Pete

...And the article says this. So your point would be...? -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 07:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

The infobox just says "en" after that title, so that would need to be fixed. Is she really Chibi Moon in the English manga? --Masamage 22:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes she is. The manga was actually translated before the Sailor Moon S series was dubbed, so she keeps the "Chibi Moon" title just as the Outers keep their original Japanese names. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 06:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

'Kay. I noted that in the infobox. --Masamage 08:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dub Names

Since Almost all of ChibiUsa's names are Redone for the dub, i added a field to the Template just for her... Though some one else may use it I'm not sure.. It separates the original and English names so we don't have to type EN or English 5 times. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs) 06:22, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

I made it shorter and de-bolded the two fields that both say 'English', so that it's clear they're both subsidiary to the fields above them. Was dubious at first, but adding that field actually makes the infobox two lines shorter, which is always good by me. ^^ --Masamage 03:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Electra Complex

Chibiusa seems to be the best example of the Electra complex I've ever seen. If anyone knows someone who is familiar with Freudian psychology, could that person please add something about it? Or maybe adding that would be completely inappropriate - I'm not sure, because I don't completely understand the Electra complex myself. Minipie8 03:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we can officially state whether A) Chibiusa clings to Mamoru because she's a daddy's girl, B) Chibiusa clings to Mamoru because he's the only person who's nice to her, especially compared to Usagi, C) Chibiusa clings to Mamoru just to irritate Usagi, or D) Chibiusa clings to Mamoru because she has the hots for him. It's probably a combination of those, but we can't get too into it without straying into original research. --Masamage 03:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

she a picture of him and she hid it under her pillow blushing when pegusis appeard sailor cuteness-ready for love 12:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

-technically, in terms of Freudian psychology, your points A, B, C, and D are all related. I think it might be safe to add the bit concerning the Electra complex if some sources can be found. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.93.138.118 (talk • contribs).

I disagree, but it doesn't really matter, because there are definitely no official sources that say she is sexually obsessed with Mamoru in any way. Any treatment of the subject would be, by definition, original research --Masamage 22:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

...And yet, in the manga, when she becomes the Black Lady she kisses Mamoru. Raystorm 02:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

That's not really an "And yet." That's more of a "Psst, I think you forgot." :P Which is true, I did. --Masamage 06:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Haha, I was just merely saying. ;) Raystorm 14:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe that was Usagi's illusion rather than actuality if I remember right.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Hitsuji Kinno (talk • contribs)

Black Lady definitely goes the 'seduction' route, whatever the details are. I just bought that manga; after I've finished the SuperS manga I also just got (yay!) I'll invetigate this. --Masamage ♫ 22:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

didn't she flurt with him like heck in super and super's and often say my mamoru and im not shure but i think in the wedding dress episode of super she sayed she wanted to marry mamoru sailor cuteness-ready for love 18:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I've added a "See also" link, for now. When the profile gets rewritten (which it needs to be anyway) we can come up with a more graceful way to include it. --Masamage 20:33, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

is there a graceful way to say she might be sexauly atrackted to her dad?sailor cuteness-ready for love 20:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

LOL. --Masamage 22:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

we could take the chickin way out "blah blah blah chibi usa may show signs of Electra Complex blah blah" put a hiperlink in and they can see for them selfs sailor cuteness-ready for love 10:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

There are a few issues in place because of this... because in many ways and many indications Chibiusa isn't really able to associate Usagi and Mamoru with her future parents. She treats them differently and repeated indications show that she also treats them differently (Need citations, I have them), so if it was to be posted with an external non-fan source it can easily be argued in the other direction as well. This was at least in previous drafts was it not? So the Electra question still is a question, rather than a definite. Especially since Usagi in the early part of the Black Moon was clearly jealous of the attention that Chibiusa got from Mamoru. Showing they treat each other more like siblings. (Notice she doesn't have those feelings towards King Endymion.) Having feelings towards someone who you see as your sister's boyfriend and immature feelings at that, is not an Electra complex. Cross this with the only kiss that Chibiusa and Mamoru shared was an illusion and a play on Usagi's own jealousy and the argument gets weaker. The time travel aspect makes it harder to discern. (This was from Usagi and mamoru.com, rough summary) --Hitsuji Kinno 21:39, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

To give this one big answer - there is no place in this article for discussion of the Electra Complex without falling right into original research. Since this is a talk page and because a few things have come up...

The manga Black Lady was a lot more seductive, and unlike the anime, she *did* kiss Mamoru while he was under her control. But that's not a fair representation of Chibiusa because Black Lady is a perversion of her character and not a representation of her true self. Unlike the anime, she isn't representative of her loneliness, but a warped version of what she wants her future self to be. It also tied into the theme of the Black Moon arc with Usagi earlier being upset that Chibiusa was closer to Mamoru than she was. As a whole, however, the Usagi/Chibiusa fights over Mamoru happen a lot less in the manga. She often requests things of Mamoru that are more appropriate of a child to her father, like piggyback rides. When Helios showed up, Chibiusa finally sorted out her feelings for Mamoru. I can pull out the old Glover translations if necessary, or someone who knows Japanese can quote it, but over the course of the Dream arc, Chibiusa realizes that she didn't love Mamoru and because of her feelings for Helios comes to understand more romantic love. She also spent most of the arc more concerned over Helios' relation to her and not Mamoru's.

Hitsuji Kinno has already given a wonderful explanation of anime Chibiusa. I'll add only one thing to it - in the anime, Chibiusa made a promise to Mamoru to introduce her to her first boyfriend, after telling Mamoru he would always be her boyfriend. Clearly when Usagi isn't around to annoy, Chibiusa is more honest about her feelings. Rebochan 17:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] black lady

i was wondring if anyone would object if i copyed this back lady section and pasted it to black moon clans black lady since there the same and this artical has move in it? sailor cuteness-ready for love 17:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that's necessary, since it already links back here. Ideally they'd be somewhat different, though, with Chibiusa's article describing the character more and the Black Moon Clan describing her relevance to the baddie group... --Masamage 17:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] deletion

can we remove this because it was added by a vandle hes been vandalising lods padges i was going to remove it but it sayd i couldent till the issue had been resolved but there is no issue its just a bored troll ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 21:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yup. That guy is on a roll for getting banned. Don't worry about it. --Masamage 22:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

ohhh thats what they say when little kids play up just ignore there crys for attention lol ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 22:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. :) --Masamage 22:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

To make her more consistent with Usagi, she should probably get an image of her first senshi form (Like Usagi her uniform goes through a dramatic change) (After she gains the barrettes) The image of her standing their after her henshin should work fine... Lego3400: The Sage of Time 03:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC) NVM! I got it myself.. Thank god for the oracleLego3400: The Sage of Time 16:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Um, the image of her in her first Senshi uniform is not fair use because it's not substantially different from what we already have. Usagi's probably isn't either, but she's more iconic so it's a lot more likely to be workable. The Chibi Moon one definitely is not. --Masamage 18:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok To compinsate for the bad qulity of the image of that attack i swaped it out for another one, that is stock footage, and shows her uniform and attack much clearer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs)

That looks fine. --Masamage 22:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Music Storage

A number of image songs featuring Chibiusa's character have been released.^[1]

From the original anime, sung by Araki Kae:

Yume o Ijimenaide ("Don't Tease My Dreams!")
Watashi-tachi Ni Naritakute
Bai Bai tte itta ("I'll Say Bye Bye")

From the musicals, sung by various actresses:

Mata Mata Chibiusa Desu
Double Moonlight Romance (With Usagi and Mamoru)
Chibiusa no Kokoroiki
Chibiusa no Hanran
Yume Miru Mori no Yume no Yume (Sung with the Amazoness Quartet)
Black Moon Signal (As Black Lady)
Kono Kodou kara Yoru wa Umarenai (Duet of Black Lady and Sailor Chibi Moon)
Pinky Typhoon

Kono Kodou Kara Yoru wa Umarenai was only sung as a duet when sung live, on the CD it was a Sailor Chibi-Moon solo.Yayamaya 02:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Last name and official profile from site

Somehow her last name got dropped out in the editing process... could someone add it back in? There are people who still think her last name is Chiba. Even with manga and anime support. This should be clarified on the page. And if wikipedia has it a wikilink as to how the surname system works in Japan.

http://sailormoon.channel.or.jp/mpbox/pro/07.html has the official profile listed. There are a few added things in there I think are of interest. (This is Sailormoon official website... it has the others too.) Birthday: 6/30, Astrological Sign: Cancer, Bloodtype: O, Age: 900, looks 8(this is contradictory to the original text.). Family: Father (King Endymion), mother (Neo Queen Serenity), School: Juuban (etc) (first year), Favorite color: red, pink, Hobbies: collecting rabbit goods, favorite food: pudding, Hated: [can't read something-san], ghosts, Dream: to become a Lady, Favorite Person: Chiba Mamoru (Tuxedo Mask), Planet: Moon Favorite person is a new stat. I think that integration of these facts might be nice. (I also think it's part of standard shoujo fair...). Note that it's Mamoru again... and this favorite person thing doesn't show up in the other stats. (click the shiny pink button to get back to the menu and click on the pictures of the other Sailors. Second to last stat in the list--compare (even if you can't read the kanji you should be able to see its missing.).

Also, I'm beginning to notice that she seems to be expanding the site as she moves forward with the story arcs. So the removal of the outers might be because she hasn't animated those acts yet. Chibiusa has returned... and she's gotten to that arc.

I figured having a source for this might be useful... though I doubt it'll all get included, but it's worth a shot to mention it here. --Hitsuji Kinno 17:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I thought the Tsukino thing was only in Parallel Sailor Moon? Where else does that show up?

The age thing has already been worked into her infobox, and Mamoru being her favorite person was always pretty obvious. :) We can make it more explicit when we rewrite this profile, I guess. --Masamage ♫ 17:19, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

In the Sailor Stars anime episode #167, Chibiusa is about to leave she says "Small Lady koto Tsukino Usagi". ~ Fighter4luv 06:55, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I see~. What's koto? --Masamage ♫ 07:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Something like "also referred to as" or "also known as" ~ Fighter4luv 08:08, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I also just ran across it in Act 26, so that's official. But I wonder, is "Usagi Tsukino" a different name from "Usagi Small Lady Serenity"? Might the Tsukino just be a necessity since she's pretending to be Ikuko and Kenji's daughter? We don't know for sure it's her "real" name, or whether it can be appropriately combined with Small Lady. --Masamage ♫ 05:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, the anime it's definitely "Usagi Tsukino" after her mother and "Small Lady" as her royal name, Just like Neo Queen Serenity's real name is Usagi Tsukino. I think in the Manga she is referred to as "Usagi Small Lady Serenity", and in the anime she never mentions that name. Also, she poses as Kenji and Ikuko's niece not daughter, so she is supposed to be the daughter of one of Kenji or Ikuko's relations. ~ Fighter4luv 10:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

In addition there is support for it in Japanese culture as well, But I'm trying to dig up a reliable source. That is in Japanese culture (according to my Japanese friends and teacher, but looking for text book-type thing) People take the name of the person who is more prominent when getting married. Also the mother decides the name of the children, and it's based on that principle. Given that Neo-Queen Serenity is more prominent than King Endymion it's more possible he'd take her name than she would take his when getting married and the same for Small Lady. BTW, Volume 11, Last Picture Book act also lists her name as Usagi Tsukino.

Other name notes, her mom gave her that name Small Lady (I can dig up reference if we are to include it.).

Also the original words for "Ano Chibi na Usagi wa" For Chibi Usagi don't really translate as a name... na is a particle... but it's more like, "Who is that girl that looks like me/who has my name but is smaller?" in a more figurative speech (Japanese being indirect this is classic example of it). In addition, the original translation of the balloon is, "Mamo-chann [not sic], ano ko wa" Which is Mamo-chan, who is that girl? Thus, by changing it she was trying to be more specific about the subject, not inject a new name. (Originals over Shinzoubon, I believe the rule is.) Compare Page 63 of Volume Four, first panel second bubble with 158 of the Shinzoubon and you'll see the difference. Proof of psychometry on the next page too... (i.e. Mamoru is using it or Chibiusa... not clear. I believe he's the only one that uses his extra power throughout Sailor moon, though intermittant.) --Hitsuji Kinno 23:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

So...should we list "Usagi Small Lady Serenity" and "Usagi Tsukino" as separate, equally canonical names? --Masamage ♫ 00:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

That would probably be the best thing to do. I would think that "Usagi Small Lady Serenity" would have been more of a just a title describing her. I think having both names listed would be a good way of showing how each of the characters (Usagi and her daughter are known). I guess it's like "Elizabeth II" except using the full "Usagi Small Lady Serenity" containing her normal name "Usagi", "Small Lady" to differentiate the two Usagi's, and still keep the royal Silver Millennium title "Serenity", but I would say "Usagi Tsukino" be put as her real name. What do you think? ~ Fighter4luv 12:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, we don't have to pick which one is her "real" name, we can just describe the purpose each serves. I'm pretty sure that Small Lady is actually a part of her name, however. When she grows up she becomes Princess Lady Serenity. --Masamage ♫ 17:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Umm... She's not pretending to be Her grandma's daugter. Shes pretending to be her NEICE. Also if you think about it it makes sense. Usagi's mom also calls her Usagi at first (No parent would give both their daughters the same name). She also says that Chibi-usa is far from her parents and usagi should remember this a couple times. Who ever started the whole Daughter thing was plain wrong! She also indroduces her self as Usagi when she first arrives in the present. Lego3400: The Sage of Time 15:24, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I think this is a confusion between Chibichibi and Chibiusa and the fact they are stated to be "like sisters", but she's actually brainwashing pretending to be a cousin. There is definitely a parallelism here as well. --Hitsuji Kinno 02:45, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Her last name is Tsukino from what i'm seeing. The moon Kingdom, and Crystal tyoko pass the crown through the women instead of the men. (Materilinal Succsion (Sp?)) Since she Introduces herself as Usagi Tsukino in past and she's useing her real name... Lego3400: The Sage of Time 15:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

What I'm saying is that both 'Usagi Small Lady Serenity' and 'Usagi Tsukino' are her real name. We just can't combine them because the series never does so and it's unclear whether they are in fact the same thing or just different names for different situations (see regnal name). --Masamage ♫ 15:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

That's fair, since Princess Serenity never got a "real" name. BTW, the references for Chibiusa and Helios strongly indicating that hey will marry are in the Elios/Helios article. --Hitsuji Kinno 13:46, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chibiusa's powers

I'm working on the prose rewrite of Chibiusa's powers list. Can anyone give me a refresher on what her inherent, non-Senshi powers are, in both series? I know that when she's in danger her moon symbol lights up, and that she taps into the Luna-P, the Space-Time Key, and the Silver Crystal. But I'm not sure about the extent to which the latter applies, and is there anything else? --Masamage ♫ 17:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

She was the subject of triggering psychometry two times... once with Mamoru where he saw flashes of the future (first act where she arrived), and once when she touched Sailor Chibichibi and saw flashes of what Chibichibi had seen (Who also displayed psychometry by having flashes of Mamoru dying which she was not a participant of/couldn't remember as the last statements in Act 52 state). So in one case she's the giver and the other case the receiver. It might be worth it to look this power up to see what are the chances that she has it. Also she recieved power fro Mamoru in the manga and anime via psychometry too where he used his life force to keep her alive. =P No other character has been subject to psychometry so many times... Also note that she had Luna-P when she visited Pluto, but she did not receive it from that Sailor Soldier. She also stated outright that she got Small Lady from her mother in the manga... It might be a little questionable as to how much personal power she exhibits in the manga over the Space-time key. In the anime it's clear tat she has to have some to control it, but in the manga it never makes it clear if it's her, or the God Chronos she's invoking. That's all I can think of. --Hitsuji Kinno 23:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Psychometry says that it's RECEIVING information rather than giving information. Thus she has it. Making three characters out of SM have it. This would be via that act where she touched Chibichibi. --Hitsuji Kinno 00:03, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sailor Quartet

We should proably mention them more than just in Infobox. They are her protecters and and her version of the Sailor Team after all. Do we know much about her dealings with them?Lego3400: The Sage of Time 15:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Not really, but the place for it would probably be in her Senshi section. --Masamage ♫ 16:19, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] merge

Chibiusa and Usagi are Characters in there own right why merge them? Dark spikey 13:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Looks like vandalism to me, the person doesn't have anything on their profile, so delete it. Any objections? --Hitsuji Kinno 14:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

done :P Dark spikey 15:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Support. --Masamage ♫ 17:02, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] When she appeared

It should be noted that when she appeared, it was around the mid 90s in the Japanese version and it needs to say that she came around in 2000 in the English version. S took place in 2001, 21st century according to Chibiusa herself.

DemonicSailormoon 08:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

That feels like too much unimportant detail to me. If the fact that the dub takes place in the early 2000s is to be mentioned, it should be on the Sailor Moon (English adaptations) page, not here. Also, she appeared in 1993, which is why it says 'early'. --Masamage ♫ 17:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] JP name charcters

I put the charcters for her name into a translator and it gave me back [chi] [bi] [u] (Chibiu)... note the sa is missing. I'm just double checking to make sure we're not missing a charcter from her name. I can't read Kanji or Kanna so i can't check for myself... Lego3400: The Sage of Time 18:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

It's correct.

ち = chi

び = bi

う = u

さ = sa

-- RattleMan 21:47, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

If you're working with Google Translator, don't bother. It's probably treating "sa" as a particle or something. If you want to do translation checking, do 'chibi' and 'usagi' separately, and use a real dictionary. --Masamage ♫ 20:33, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Meh.. I was bored and just put it in there on whim... It just had me a little alarmed with what it gave me —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs)

The kanji dictionary does list "usa" as an alternative way to pronounce the kanji: 兎 or うさぎ　which can also be rendered 兔. Just a light note. We should probably add this dictionary to our references as well: http://linear.mv.com/cgi-bin/j-e/fg=b/bg=w/kanji http://linear.mv.com/cgi-bin/j-e/fg=b/bg=w/jis/nihongo-de/dict http://linear.mv.com/cgi-bin/j-e/fg=b/bg=w/dict for Japanese language reference handling...--Hitsuji Kinno 23:19, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Items storage

"Luna-P" ("Lunaball"/"Luna Sphere" in the DiC version) — The black, cathead-shaped ball that Chibiusa always has with her. She uses it for many different magical feats.
"Key of Space-Time" (Japanese: jikuu no kagi) — The item that Chibiusa uses to travel through time.
Silver Crystal — Chibiusa has the Silver Crystal from the future.
"Prism Heart Compact" — Sailor Chibi Moon's first transformation compact.
"Pink Moon Stick" — Sailor Chibi Moon's first Sailor Senshi weapon. It breaks in the final episode of S.
"Chibi Moon Kaleido Scope" — Used in the manga and SuperS movie to attack alongside Sailor Moon.
"Chibi Moon Compact" — Transformation compact given to her by Pegasus.
"Crystal Carillon" — Bell that she uses to call on Pegasus, made by him from the repaired Pink Moon Stick. It can still be used to perform Pink Sugar Heart Attack.
"Stallion Reve" — This item was used to communicate with Pegasus when she was not in battle.
"Golden Mirror" — Chibiusa's dream mirror which allows her to stay in touch with Pegasus.
"Pink Moon Crystal" — Chibiusa's personal Sailor Crystal.^[2]
"Mama's Rod" — The Cutie Moon Rod, but from the future. It breaks after she does a team up attack with Sailor Moon, due to it being over a 1000 years old. Only in the Manga.

[edit] Moon Rod (official name)

"Mama's Rod" — The Cutie Moon Rod, but from the future. It breaks after she does a team up attack with Sailor Moon, due to it being over a 1000 years old. Only in the Manga.

Volume 7, Act 23, Page 78, it seems like it's the *present* Moon Rod that breaks, not the future one... this does bring forward some questions, but considering the panel order, etc (and breaking of the broach, which is similar in the last arc), it seem like it's the *present* one that breaks. O.o;; --Hitsuji Kinno 00:38, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I dunno, thats just what i've seen, i've never read the manga. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs).

The manga frame layout makes it so that the *present* rod breaks. Incidentally I showed this to Lunar Archivist who agreed... you are welcome to check it out yourself. *wonders if she's the only one with the original japanese manga now. --;;* --Hitsuji Kinno 00:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I've only got volumes 6, 9, and 12-14 in Japanese, plus 1-4 in English, which makes me unable to look at this for myself. It doesn't make sense, though; how can the one in the /past/ break? o__O Maybe they fix it in the future... --Masamage ♫ 00:46, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed move to Sailor Chibi Moon

Please be aware of the discussion at WP:SM about moving this article to the title Sailor Chibi Moon. --Masamage ♫ 18:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm slightly concerned about this particular move, because alone among the Senshi I'm not sure Chibiusa is actually better known by her heroine title.

A few Google tests seem to corroborate this: searching on "chibiusa" OR "chibi usa" OR "chibi-usa" turns up 132,000 hits. Searching on "sailor moon" rini -chibiusa -"chibi usa" (qualifiers added to narrow the results) adds an additional 41,200. Searching on the same thing but with "reeny" adds 1,100. "Reenie" adds 1,700. So, in total, about 175,000 hits on her civilian name. By contrast, searching on "sailor chibi moon" OR "sailor mini moon" gets only 51,700--less than half of the results for her Japanese name alone.

The other Senshi and Tuxedo Mask are all better-known as hero-figures, but this character seems to be known better as a civilian. I've moved those, so we can probably close the general discussion; but what do you all think about this? --Masamage ♫ 03:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and just so you know (and because I just thought of it) adding "-wikipedia" to the first search decreases the count from 132,000 to 126,000. Not really a substantial change in terms of proportion, but I thought I should mention it. --Masamage ♫ 03:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I know chibiusa is more popular but should we change it so it matches the others Senshi (and mask)♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 21:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

The reason why it's more popular is probably because of Sailor Moon R - she spends an entire season just as plain Jane Chibiusa. I'd say keep it at Chibiusa - it's the more common name. -Malkinann 00:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, no upsurge of supporters, so I'll assume there's no consensus to move it. I'm going phase it out of the discussion area at WP:SM for now. If anyone wants to start up a new discussion in the future they certainly can. --Masamage ♫ 19:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Serena

Does either English version ever state that Rini is short for Serena? In the anime it's actually her name, as far as I know; and in the manga when she first appears she actually introduces herself as Bunny and says that /Rini/ is her nickname. --Masamage ♫ 21:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

You're asking us to volunteer to watch the dub? =P. I might when I'm numb skull bored and I have a VCR and afternoon.---- Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 17:06, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Someone might have known off the top of their head. --Masamage ♫ 17:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

In the dub she says her name is Rini from the start unlke the orignal where its Usagi and then shortend to Chibiusa -- ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ (talk) 17:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A possible reference...

"Chibiusa's affections come into conflict because she generally does not immediately identify Usagi and Mamoru as being her parents from the future, although she is aware of the fact. There is evidence that Chibusa has a hard time identifying Usagi and Mamoru as being her future parents since she sees such a sharp contrast in personality between their present and future selves. She also reacts differently toward Usagi and Mamoru than she does towards King Endymion and Neo-Queen Serenity, being more respectful to the latter but more spontaneous to the former; it is not clear if she prefers one set over the other. However, she always calls her father Mamoru as Mamo-chan (when she travels to the 20th century), an affectionate nickname by Usagi, and has an innocent crush on him, much to Usagi's fury." from wikipedia can be supported by a song from the musical...

http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/smoon/smmata.htm

"My prince Mamoru, I said, Life is dull in the 30th century Because Mamoru is not here."

Which is a direct reference... would it not be? Also when she returns to the 20th century (the episode right after when they are in the park and there is that tea cross dresser guy) in Super she says there's got to be a mistake... adding the references won't hurt.--Hitsuji Kinno 22:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name

In 167 (First episode of stars) she says "I, Small Lady Tsukino Usagi am..." I don't know if that means Tsukino is part of her full name in the future... Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk)

Well, considering she calls herself "Usagi Tsukino" on her first appearance, it's a safe bet. JuJube (talk) 23:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

But we have should it be added under Alises then? (God this kid keeps getting more and more names) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs)

It's not really evidence that Usagi Tsukino is her name in the futurel; she only ever uses it in the past. Since we already know both "Small Lady" and "Usagi Tsukino" to be aliases, there's no need to add a special case for her using them together. --Masamage ♫ 02:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Good. I only brought up in an effort to be accurate but I was hopeing we didn't need. Her list of names is God awfuly long already. She's luckey she writes in Kanji and Kanna. She'd get a hand-cramp writeing it in Romanji :P--Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 13:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

In the manga Small Lady in the longer version is shortened to S.L. with furigana over the top... I think she'll be glad to be called Lady Serenity in the future.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 18:37, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Special powers and items

Just so everyone knows, I did start on proseifying this section, but got hung up by not knowing some of the details.

My beginning is here. I'd prefer if no one else edited it directly because that makes the attribution messy when I copy-paste it into the article, but please feel free to post suggestions and prose-ideas here. Obviously I need help. :) Particularly needful areas are the Pegasus paragraph, and the one-off/team-up paragraph. The list at the end is of all the attacks I haven't yet mentioned in the prose body itself. --Masamage ♫ 21:53, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

What about Pegasus do you need to know? If you need to know when the attacks took place in what act, I have that...--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 20:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I just haven't done the reading necessary to know what each thing did, and when and why, across the versions. The manga's a little easier because I now own all of Dream, but I've seen almost nothing from the SuperS anime. --Masamage ♫ 23:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

K, no problem I've added a small thing about her role in SuperS to your version (I have the whole anime sans stars so but don't have access ATM), hope you don't mind (didn't see your request to NOT do it till after I did it, SORRY!!). Since Its a sandbox page I left a direct quote from Wikimoon (Though it only exists as a referance and is marked as coming from there. Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 13:37, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Carillion is spelled wrong, BTW, Carrion is umm... a dead carcass... and I don't think she's carrying *that* around. Carillion is... 1. A stationary set of chromatically tuned bells in a tower, usually played from a keyboard. 2. A composition written or arranged for these bells. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/carillon which makes much more sense. She is carrying around a chromatically tuned bell that sounds like a tower bell. --Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 16:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Repost of Lego's contribution (thanks! :D): --Masamage ♫ 00:45, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

During the SuperS Series she mainly plays a supporting role during combat. Instead of actully launching any attacks, she uses the Crystal Carrion to preform Twinkle Yell^[3]to summon Pegusus to allow Sailor Moon to attack with "Moon Gorgus Meditation".

Spelling corrections and word tightening (also rewording for the part in question plus a catch of a spelling mistake in Japanese):

During the SuperS series she mainly plays a supporting role during combat. Instead of performing any attacks, she uses the Crystal Carillon to to summon Pegasus with Twinkle Yell^[4] This allows Sailor Moon to use "Moon Gorgeous Meditation". --Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 04:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll add more... but I rather have the article up so attribution doesn't get too messy. Masamage can you post what you have, proseify the attack and integrate them, then I can add the remaining info, then I'll add anything that's missing? I think it will be quicker... Anything you don't know I'll try to fix before too long. Is that fine? Maybe we can aim to getting this article and Mamoru finally up to GA status.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 20:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure, that sounds okay. I'll get it into the article later this afternoon. After my homework. X) --Masamage ♫ 19:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

A little later than I thought, but I finally bit the bullet and finished out those few paragraphs. I think we're good to go now; edit away! --Masamage ♫ 04:40, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I fixed the references and added a few. Fixed as in added the manga references, and streamlined the references a little to match the other articles. I'm missing only one. You can do a second sweep to make sure I'm not repeating any references and replace with the name="act#" tag, etc. I'm only missing one reference. I don't know where Chibimoon was forced to detransform or voluntarily did it, add those and we might be able to upgrade this article to GA?--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 20:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

All the other articles use just one ref tag per fact; this looks a lot less frightening and cuts down on clutter. I added the forcible detransformation cite; that's good old Queen Badiane in the SuperS movie. So yeah, looking much better! This article definitely isn't ready until we rewrite the profile, but once we do that I think it's pretty well caught-up. (That's also the case with the Outers, Usagi, and Mamoru. Everything's nice but the profile.) --Masamage ♫ 20:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, we also need to flesh out the development section. --Masamage ♫ 21:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

"and gives her two special items with which to contact him: the Stallion Reve, for when she is not transformed, and the Crystal Carillon for when she is." I believe this is wrong, since the Stallion Reve shows up in Chibimoon's hands in Episode 163, showing that there isn't a substitution thing going on, simply that they have different tasks. The stallion Reve is for talking to him, but not summoning his power, and the Crystal Carillon seems to be for summoning his power. "Please Pegasus, protect everyone." In fact there is an episode where she can't summon Pegasus through the Stallion Reve to talk to him, thus is worried that the Twinkle Bell won't work because he won't talk to her. Is there a better way of putting this? Also It's Chibiusa in the anime that can use the Golden Crystal. Sailor Moon can't use it as seen in episodes 164 and 165. "I can't use the Golden Crystal without you." In a flash in 165, it shows Princess Serenity using the Golden Crystal (It's rather fast though). Making a slight indication that Princesses of the Moon Kingdom can use the Golden Crystal, but "queen"s can't. But that may be OR, but if you word it right it won't be. I'm not sure how to include that one... Chibimoon summons the power of dreams through the crystal. I believe that should finish the clean up of that section pretty thoroughly...--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 04:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Those sound like good changes: what those two items really do, and Chibiusa's use of the Golden Crystal (we probably don't need to mention Usagi). By the way, where in Picture Collection V does it talk about Black Lady? I can't find anything. I checked II as well, but that doesn't seem to have the info being cited either. Is it just not in what's posted to MangaStyle? --Masamage ♫ 06:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I lifted it off of Kurozuki... I'll quote... "(Chibi Usa when the symbol of the black queen has appeared.)" Under "Usagi Small Lady Serenity", last line. Materials Collection. I was looking for development stuff, so the Materials Collection was natural as a choice... ^^;;--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 15:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Ohhh. Hmm. I'm not...sure that that actually covers what we say in the article? It demonstrates that Takeuchi once drew a picture of evil child Chibiusa, and referred to Black Lady as the black queen, but it doesn't prove that she actually struggled with a name for the character or seriously considered leaving her as a child the whole time. --Masamage ♫ 16:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pointy odango

Where is it that Naoko says she picked Chibiusa's hairstyle because Usagi's didn't look enough like rabbit ears? --Masamage ♫ 19:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps we could ask WikiMoon? -Malkinann (talk) 21:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't remember anything like that said... if it was said at all, it would be in the liner notes of Volume 5...--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 20:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Artbook 3, says under the picture with usagi and Chibiusa, that Takeuchi didn't think deeply about Chibiusa's hair style. "This is the cover of Nakayoshi-the month following Chibi-Usa's debut appearance. Her hairstyle was not finalized then. The structure of her hair is truly a mystery. I didn't think deeply when I designed it, so it was a surprise when I first saw a Chibi-Usa doll-I couldn't believe that her hair could be three-dimensional. So I observed the doll's head from various angles. A three-dimensional shape is wonderful." This also shows that Chibiusa's hairstyle was, in fact, influenced by a doll.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 04:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I think you may have meant Artbook 2 for that quote? How does it show that Chibiusa's hairstyle was influenced by a doll of her? I think that's reaching a bit far - all it implies to me is that Takeuchi may have used the doll for a reference... -Malkinann (talk) 06:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Artbook 2, sorry. And it looks like she decided to make her ponytails 3D from the doll(You can see this in the change of the ponytail design too...)--she was often influenced by the dolls, and liked to collect them. For example, in artbook 5 she said that she originally didn't want to give the Starlights ponytails, but Bandai asked her to. Having a weakness for dolls, she added them to the design. She was also influenced by the anime and by the seiyuu too... "While I was thinking about season 5, the first image I drew of the Three Lights was this one. At first the three had short hair like in this drawing. But when Bandai saw them they cried, and asked if I couldn't make their hair longer for the dolls that were coming out (short was not suitable, it seems). Naoko having a soft spot for dolls, I attached tails onto the three of them." Showing that she does, indeed get influenced. Also she talked about buying SM merchandise in NYC in her liner notes, the only thing she bought was a Beryl doll.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 15:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC)