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[edit] Bruchim Haboim

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[edit] Re: "Rivial claims" section of Al-Aqsa Mosque article

I am writing in an advocacy capacity for User:Thestick's concerns with the "Rival claims" section of this article. I respectfully request you to provide a statement here User:Amerique/AMA as to how you feel this this section fits within WP:NPOV, WP:VERIFY and WP:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox. Our aim is to resolve this dispute civilly and entirely within the bounds of WP:FAITH. I appreciate your time. Thank you, --Amerique 04:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Almorso has added a statement to the page above. Please consider adding a statement so we can try to resolve this situation without taking it further up the WP:DR process. Thank you,--Amerique 04:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Even Hashtiya

Your recent additions to the article were magnificent.... btw I wondered if you saw the recent "development" with Uri Ariel ? Amoruso 14:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Your help is badly needed to improve the article Moriah. Amoruso 05:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Questionable

I am glad you like it, you may be happy to know it is not yet complete. I have only used half of the material on the source so far. --Shamir1 21:09, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Temple Mount - recent events

Could you just give the reason why it was deleted? Thanks! Chesdovi 11:27, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry - I thought I was making a much smaller edit, but was mistakenly editting an earlier version of the page. I have put everything back. --Eliyak T·C 23:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] if someone changes links

It's possible simply to go back to an early version and copy paste the original links, n'est pas? Amoruso 19:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit in 1929 Hebron massacre

Hi Dovid, I am wondering whether it was your intention to leave JAZ link and Kaplan's story there [1]. I tried to explain at talk why I do not believe they belong there. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens ну? 03:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Third holiest site suggestion

Chesdovi, I think that you're correct that the article should stay, but wanted to offer what I hope you'll take as constructive criticism.

  • I think that accusing muslim editors of being biased because they are muslim won't help the argument, any more than the regular accusations against pro-Israel, pro-Catholic, etc., editors ever help. First, it just makes everyone mad, and it never convinces anyone. You can respond to editors on the merits of their arguments, and if you're right, you will usually win, but arguing that Second, it might be construed as a personal attack, which will be one strike against the "keep the article" side if this ever ends up in arbitration. Third, it's not, IMHO, really fair. Striver is the only "delete the article" editor with whom I have had much prior experience, but he/she is clearly not in some doctrinal lockstep - he voted to keep twice, then changed the second keep to a delete.
  • More specifically, I suggest that you delete this edit - it won't do any good, and it may end up further inflaming the debate.

Thanks, and let me know if I can help, TheronJ 14:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

    • I was actually replying to (→Netscott) not stirver, but point accepted, Thanks. Chesdovi 15:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shalom

I saw your excellent creation Kathiraveli_November_2006_massacre. It was a timely creation unfortunately someelse had also created Vaharai bombing about the same incident. Please do what ever you want with these 2 articles to merge them together. Thanks for your interest.RaveenS 19:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vaharai

I don't understand Which article are you talking about? Sudharsansn (talk • contribs) 14:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Vaharai is what we have heard in the papers, we also saw Kathiraveli as the village within the Vaharai division. Hope this calrifies. It is a village within a municipality. Thanks RaveenS 16:18, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

After you merge an article all what you have to do is simply redirect it to the new merged article, no need to delete. ThanksRaveenS 16:33, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protected articles

I know you aren't very chatty, but since the THS and Aqsa Mosque articles are protected now how about we discuss and set aside any differences and reach a consensus on several issues including how to wikilink to the article. Regards - thestick 04:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Noahide

Hi, please join in the discussion on the Noahide Laws talk page about cleaning it up etc. Thanks! Chavatshimshon 08:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On December 14, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Remuh Synagogue, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for the great article and your history contributions Chesdovi. This article kindly nominated by User:GeeJo - feel free to self-nominate in future. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Holiest sites in Islam article

Having fun? thestick 11:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Please don't vandalize the article. thestick 12:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Last warning

This is your last warning.
The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. -- Szvest - Wiki me up ® 14:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 48 hour block

You have been blocked from editing for disruption to Holiest sites in Islam after final warning. DurovaCharge! 08:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help requested!

Would someone please contact User:Durova for me and ask for it to respond to the unanswered e-mails I have sent. How much longer am I supposed to wait?! Cheers!

If you sent e-mails then he got them. Your block is 48 hours from 00:50, December 19, 2006, you need to wait until 00:50, December 21, 2006. If you are contesting your block use the {{unblock|reason}} template. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 16:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much HighInBC. I didn't want to use it until I had used the advised option of sending an e-mail to the cause of the blockage. As I got no response, I will now have to resort to the next step. How unhelpful of User:Durova! Chesdovi 17:17, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Please check the time of the warning and my additions after that. You will hopefully see that all the additions are legitimate. There was no reason to be blocked. This is unjust! Please provide a link to the disruption bit. Chesdovi 17:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

In short, continueing to add material that consensus is against is a form of disruption, consensus is how we determine content. If you disagree I invite you to ask another admin with the {{unblock|reason}} again, but I think the answer will be very similiar. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 17:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

There was no chance to discuss whether these sites were a consensus. Reliable sources where provided and Muslim editors, except ALM who wanted the page deleted and who I have reported for blindly deleting time and time again with no good reason, have left the material. I have worked on this page since it’s inception and when the page name was changed a day or two before, it gave rise to the need for addition of more sites. If you will not reconsider I will request this is looked into again. Thank you for your help so far, much appreciated! Chesdovi 17:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate your polite attitude. I have replaced my response with your original request for unblock and let another admin decide, I still feal the same, but another admin may see differently. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 17:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

{{helpme}} Please can someone notify an administrator I am awaiting their help. Many thanks! Chesdovi 22:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello, you used the {{helpme}} tag to request unblocking, but that tag is generally more appropriate for questions regarding how to use, browse, or edit Wikipedia. Don't worry, the {{unblock}} template is enough to get your block reviewed. Administrators will be able to find your page and review the circumstances of your block, even if it has been reviewed already. You can also discuss the situation with the blocking administrator over email, or find other administrators to email here. You can also join a Wikipedia IRC channel or use the unblock-en-l mailing list to request unblocking. Please bear in mind that most of the users responding to helpme requests are not administrators. Thank you, and good luck.

-- lucasbfr talk 00:32, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Chesdovi sent me three e-mails in swift succession and now uses them as grounds for a block appeal. The time stamp for the final warning is 14:38, 18 December 2006. Exactly twenty minutes later this editor added a comment about a Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant to Holiest sites in Islam.[2] The statement, although sourced, was unencyclopedic and had been inserted and reverted before. Then at 17:08 18 December he started a thread on WP:ANI accusing another editor of vandalism - actually the other editor had been reverting his damage.[3] As the thread demonstrates Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:ALM_scientist, his examples of "vandalism" were nonsense. Among other things they demonstrated that Chesdovi had tried to call Neuschwanstein Castle in Germany one of Islam's holiest sites. The other editor had simply been cleaning up the mess. Blocking is a very clear-cut decision in this case. DurovaCharge! 14:21, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

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“…this editor added a comment about a Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant to Holiest sites in Islam. [4] The statement, although sourced, was unencyclopedic and had been inserted and reverted before.”

  • This may have been unencyclopedic according to you as it stood, but worded properly together with it's existing source, would be totally acceptable in reference to the haji pilgrimage. It is a very weak reason in MHO for someone to be blocked b/c of an addition like this! That it was reverted before by User:ALM scientist isn’t an excuse. He is a prolific “deleter” of legitimate content. This addition was not noted by him for discussion on the talk page before he deleted it. I intend to re-add this information when I am unblocked and then we will see if it constitutes disruption. If there was a dilemma with it’s addition the usual course of action should have been taken, why blockage?!

“Then at 17:08 18 December he started a thread on WP:ANI accusing another editor of vandalism - actually the other editor had been reverting his damage.[5] As the thread demonstrates Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:ALM_scientist, his examples of "vandalism" were nonsense.”

I also find objectionable the decision of User:Durova to reply to my messages only after I wrote that I may take action against him/her for abusing his/her position as an administrator, for blocking me in error, not responding to my e-mails and being unhelpful. I also find it hard to swallow the fact s/he wrote that s/he would have “gladly have made it longer” as if I had continued to cause problems after my final & only warning from an administrator. I feel humiliated and feel my reputation has been ruined. Chesdovi 15:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

  • I also dispute the fact that User:Durova said I sent “three e-mails in swift succession”. I do not have a record of the first e-mail sent, but it was sent some time before the second at 16:13: on Tues 19 Dec. The third was sent today at 12.01pm. I received a reply from User:Durova at 14:21 today. That the third was sent 31 hours after the second is not called in my mind “swift succession”. Chesdovi 15:40, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
By this time tommorow your block will have expired. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 15:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your concern HighInBC. However, I have been unjustly blocked and I want an apology and action taken against the blocker, She should also be blocked for 48 hours. It’s the principle which annoys me the most. She accused me of adding “several” silly edits after my warning which is untrue. When my additions were deleted by the notorious “reverter” User:ALM_scientist she calls it: "reverting my damage". I was livid when I tried to edit, finding out I had been blocked. Do you know what it feels like to be blocked, not to mention the scar that will remain on my log forever? I want wiki justice. Chesdovi 15:53, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why ?

I do not want to be part of this dispute. However, you said Why did User:ALM scientist delete this? . So I try to explain.

  1. Moinuddin Chishti is a person and not a "SITE". If you said his Tomb then it might be right but you have not said it at all. Even his tomb it is not at all second holiest site. Muslims are very clear about their first and second holiest site.
  2. Jewish soldiers at the Buraq Wall, the third holiest Islamic site in Jerusalem, itself the third holiest city in Islam, being on the third planet in the solar system Do you think that this third planet thing was valid edit??
  3. You write Al-Aqsa Mosque is the second holiest Site in Islam. Once again this article is not about second/third holiest. Also we Muslims are very clear that what is our second holiest, you cannot use one source and deny 100 of other sources.
  4. "Chinguetti is sometimes said to be 'the seventh holiest city of Islam'" Once again this was not about ranking.
  5. My revert comes after many of your other wrong edits. For example check this one In that you said In BOLD at the top of article . Note: This list is not a top ten music chart. Do you think that someone should continue to assume good faith towards your edits when you vandalize and article multiple time? It becomes very difficult. --- ALM 18:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why indeed?

User:ALM scientist I wish you wouldn't interfere; you have already caused me enough trouble.

  1. The page was created with Dargah Sharief, India, i.e. Moinuddin Chishti [6]. In truth when I linked Dargah Sharief later on, it was to the Moinuddin Chishti page. Hence when it was re-added in haste I just put Moinuddin Chishti. It still currently features. But I can understand the mistake.
  2. Time stamp for the final warning is 14:38, 18 December 2006.
  3. We have been through this before and when WP:RS were quoted they were kept. I think it is very WP:POV for you to discount this opinion, especially as it isn't a tourist site.
  4. Correct, but this is about holiest sites, under which case this falls. There is no harm in stating that it is regarded as 7th. The page states Mecca as considered first and Medina the second? Please User:ALM scientist, let’s have some consistency here!
  5. This addition was in semi-good faith. Look what happed after I re-ordered the page into alphabetical order: "correct order" It now does read like a Top Ten music chart, something you are especially against: “Once again this article is not about second/third holiest”. If it isn't why does it feature Mecca, Medina, and Jerusalem in decending order. The cheek of it. Chesdovi 19:00, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
We can remove ranking information from Mecca and Medina sections too. Also ordering them alphabetically is okay with me. Please tell me if those actions will satisfy you? btw I am sorry that you were blocked really and can we be friends please ? --- ALM 12:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Unblock_review

Normally it doesn't take this long to get an unblock review so I've posted a request to WP:AN along with a note about the request for a 48 hour retributive block. I check my e-mails about once a day so the e-mail issue was mostly a matter of timing. Editors have a reasonable expectation that blocks are based on policy rather than personalities and, to some extent, I can sympathize with the frustration of an editor who's blocked without a reply or a review. DurovaCharge! 17:49, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I reviewed it yesterday, and declined it, but decided to return the request to give the user another opinion. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 17:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re Unblock request...

Can you explain to me your mistakes and errors in this series of events? ---J.S (T/C) 21:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

  • I am not denying that I added questionable information or two examples of totally inappropriate sites. What I am protesting about is the fact that after my only and final warning from an administrator I continued to make additions, one of which has been labelled “silly”, but I believe not a reason for blockage. The other several additions were taken out of context since they were indeed legitimate additions and not what has been labelled “damage”. I think it was thought that any further additions would be disruptive, but this is not the case, as the page needed updating. I have not got the time right now to go through each and every edit but if you go trough them I am confident you will not find any incriminating evidence! Many thanks for your time and interest. Chesdovi 21:59, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah

Darwinek wishes you a Merry Christmas!
Darwinek wishes you a Merry Christmas!
Darwinek wishes you a Happy Hanukkah!
Darwinek wishes you a Happy Hanukkah!

Hi Dovi! I just want to say Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah to you! Have a nice holiday time. And also thank you for your great synagogues contributions. - Darwinek 21:03, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

And happy Hanukkah to you too Chesdovi. Quite fitting with the Synagogue article on DYK. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:49, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On December 22, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Zamość Synagogue, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Hello Chesdovi and thanks for creating this synagogue article which keeps a nice DYK theme for Hanukkah. Piotrus kindly nominated this article - feel free toself-nominate in future. Keep up the great work. Regards, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:49, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Yeshivat haMekubalim Beit QeL

Thanks for your kind words on my talk page. Concerning the images, I did spend quite some time on working the positions and sizes. Is it really better all on the right uniformly sized? Shalo-m ouVerakhah, hasofer 21:45, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

  • I can appreciate the time spent on making the page look appealing, however I thought it looked a bit on the messy side and think the current format is neater and more reader friendly. Images could possibly be spread out differently if the article was sectioned. Chesdovi 13:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please Don't Use Weird Ideas On Discussions

In mediation of the 3rd holiest site in Islam u said something very unusual. You claim that u want Israel to invade Mecca. That made no sense at all. I have a few questions

1.You claim Islrael does not represent the Jewish people, but they r going to be the invaders?

  • Quite simple, The Iranian Government doesn’t represent the PA, nor does it represent the Muslim nation, but has made it quite clear that it would invade Israel if and when the time comes. If Iran wants to liberate “Palestine” on behalf of the “Palestinians” then I can understand Israel wanting to liberate Mecca on behalf of the Jews. It doesn’t mean they represent them. Chesdovi 13:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

2.Mecca is not even significant in Judaism at all, so how would u make it the 3rd holiest

  • Quite simple, make up a story that Moses was whisked away to Arabia on a winged steed and then get the Israeli army to conquer Mecca just as the Arab armies conquered and occupied Jerusalem against the indigenous peoples will. After all the Kaaba was built by Abraham the first Jew and Ishmael is a prophet in Judaism. And there’s no need for mention in the Bible of Mecca since Jerusalem isn’t mentioned in the Koran. Chesdovi 13:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

3.What does this have to do with the 3rd holiest site in Islam?

  • Quite simple, Jerusalem our holiest site, is, according to you, Islam’s 3rd. It only follows that Mecca, Islam’s holiest should be Judaism’s 3rd. Why is there no UN resolution condemning the fact that Jews aren’t allowed to enter their 3rd holiest shrine, occupied by the Saudi regime? Chesdovi 13:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

4.What do u mean u support Assyrian independance? I have never heard of such a movement. That would mean there would be a Syria and an Assyria?

  • ok, forget question 4, turns out there is such a movement. —The preceding unsigned comment was left by Talib 72
    • Isn’t funny that most people haven’t heard of any of the places where there are people fighting for independence, why is it only “Palestine” that is ever publicised? Take for instance in today’s London Metro newspaper, on a page dedicated to people’s New Year resolutions, one man holds a placard saying he wishes world leaders would solve the “Palestinian issue”. I wonder if he has heard of all the other trouble spots over the planet? I call it Arab propaganda and hatred of Israel. Chesdovi 13:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Curious

Hi,

I'm just curious as to how you found out about Template:Infobox religious building? I saw that you created several pages using the template. Its not particularly well documented and I'm humbled that others find it useful, especially since I had no idea what I was doing while I wrote it. Thanks. -- Sapphire 07:44, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

  • I think I first saw it on the Old New Synagogue page. When I started using it I had a hard time finding different instances where and how it was used. I think I looked under your contributions. I think using it gives a more formal look to the page. There is a problem when entering information under the dome dia. and height, I don't know if this can be rectified. I also wonder if it could be updated to include other fields to accommodate synagogues? Chesdovi 13:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
What ideas did you have for synagogues? I have to admit that I'm fairly ignorant about synagogues and Judaic culture so I tried to make it as generic as possible. Also, what were the problems with dome dia. and height? I don't notice any problems here. Thanks. -- Sapphire 09:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Modzitz

Nice pictures! --Redaktor 00:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bobov

Hi Chesdovi. You did a beautiful job on the Bobov article, making it neat and clear. I am glad that finally someone can take away the total responsibility that I carried to keep these pages neutral. I would ask you, if you can please rewrite all the articles in the Bobov series; as I am a Bobov 45 Streeter and can be accused of pushing a side.

The other articles that need rewriting are Yehoshua Rubin and Ben Zion Halberstam (The Second).

While on this topic; maybe you can right a wrong; namely that the article was deliberately named "Ben Zion Halberstam (The Second)" to make him on Wikipedia, the de facto Bobover Rebbe; as the name insinuates that he is the second Bobover Rebbe with the name Ben Zion. I think for neutrality and fairness the name of the article should be renamed "Ben Zion Aryeh Leibish Halberstam" leaving the current name as a redirect; as he is Rabbi Ben Zion the second in Bobov but Rabbi Ben Zion Aryeh Leibish the first. I'm interested in your thoughts on this. Issac 17:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

a gite vokh. It depends a bit on how widely known he is (or perhaps was, since his chasidim presumably no longer call him by his name). If the name Ben Zion Arye Leibish is generally recognizable, it is fair to use this as the title for article. --Redaktor 23:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
In all fairness he was called "Ben Zion the Ruv's". Very few people if any called him "Ben Zion Aryeh Leibish" although most Bobover Chasidim knew what his full name was, but shortened it for convenience. Maybe his mother called him so, occasionally; as he was named "Aryeh Leibish" after her father; but I doubt anybody called him so.
Nevertheless I think most articles in Wikipedia of Rabbonim aren't named by the way people called them; maybe there are some redirects here & there; but by and large they are named here by their official names. Take for example his brother Reb Naftule Zvi. Nobody called him Naftule Zvi; he was first called "Reb Naftulche"; then later on people decided that it's not bekovidig to call him so; so they started calling him "Reb Naftule". IMO his article should also be renamed "Naftali Zvi Halberstam" and leave the current version as a redirect.
Also the term the "second" connotes that he is the second holding that position with that name; but that's exactly the main point on what Beth Din is sitting on; and should Wikipedia prejudge this issue?
Even though I think that it's wrong for many reasons; including the integrity of the Encyclopedia; I am not out to push this issue; and should you and all fair Wikipedians think otherwise; I yield to your judgment. Thanks; Issac 16:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Chesdovi for reverting the vandalism on Rabbi Ungers page. The same vandalizer also vandalized Rabbi Halberstams page; I would prefer if you did the reversion. Thanks again for your fairness. Issac 19:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Sassanid Jewish Vassel state in Judea 610 CE

To answer your question. Supporters of "Palestinian rights" make the claim that there were no Jews in "Palestine" after the destruction of Herod's Temple in 70 CE, sometimes extending that to 135 to include the Bar Kochba revolt. I say the Jewish state of 610-21 is "forbidden knowledge" because most supporters of "Palestinian rights" deny that it ever existed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ericl (talk • contribs) 15:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Please help improve and expand this article

Your contributions will be greatly appreciated Here . thestick 14:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Call me what you like Thestick, but as far as I'm concerned you should be diagnosed with False consensus effect. Chesdovi 15:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Al Aqsa Mosque Holiest page in the world

Can you please explain once again your beef with the Al-Aqsa mosque section in the holiest sites in islam article? thestick 15:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, at least my case isn't as acute as whatever you think I have called you. Just what kind of "Evidence" do you want? thestick 15:52, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Thestick, please provide evidence:

Some quran and hadith talk about this.

  • That Islamic holy scriptures call the Al Aqsa Mosque third holiest place.

That hadith which says about the 3 most sacred places (value of prayers thing) - Common sense solves the rest.

Its that not there, thats enough proof - just forget it dude.

Several shia organizations, the shia goverments and of course shia people ahve stated the same.

Firstly, cypriotic muslims follow the Quran and Hadith - I had fun doing this one, just search google for some cypriotic establishments that has made it's phone number public. Just ask them "Is the Al-Aqsa mosque in jerusalem the third holiest site in Islam?" - yes

Sidepoints:
  • Of Muslim property rights to the Haram-es-Sharif; a record of a transaction will do.

- You can contact the Islamic Waqf foundation or whatever it's called

The world didnt come into existence in 1948. thestick 17:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:PD-Romania-Photo

Template:PD-Romania-Photo has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --Sherool (talk) 12:53, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notablity of Myrna Star

Thank you for your concern. The main reason why I created this article is I was very surprised to see an article for this person: Kat Gutierrez. Myrna Star is actually more well known and notable in the California Import scene than her. If her website was up, other editors could verify it. Unfortunately, what I know falls in Wikipedia's no original research, so it may have been the best that this was deleted for now. I will not contest the deletion, however I do believe that it may have been more appropriate to go to AfD rather than place a speedy delete tag. I've created over 100 articles and so far that was the only article that was ever deleted. I am very familiar with the notablity guidelines of Wikipedia. This was just a rare borderline case. --† Ðy§ep§ion † Speak your mind 16:39, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Initials in names

Hi this is regarding your question on my page on certain persons being referred to by their initials like M. R. Pai. It is how the person was referring to himself in life. Many older people present themselves by their initials. My grandfather used to be V S Kudva, some local people here are called A V Shetty, C R Kamath. Younger people generally don't use initials in their names. Just an old convention I guess that was used in India.--PremKudvaTalk 03:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

  • I got your reply and have renamed the articles of the persons in the full names, with redirects from the article with their initials.--PremKudvaTalk 04:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi there. Devoto Palace was categorised, I don't understand why did you put there the "uncategorised" tag... Regards --Damifb 13:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, thanks; don't worry.--Damifb 13:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About my article

I notice that you have tagged in my article Normand Roger for "sources" and "uncategorized". I understand the "sources" and I'll try to add but I don't know what the hell "uncategorized" is. What must I do to "categorize" the article? can you help me? Appleworm 14:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

How to make it not a copied-and-pasted article? I deem that Wikipedia's content are from different sources? Appleworm 16:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks so much. I'll reword it. Appleworm 09:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding Nawab of Banganapalle

I have read your message. Actually it seems, you havenot read the article clearly. While he was on his throne, because of his inability to rule, the HEIC have taken the territory for a brief period. Finally it was returned to him just before a few days before his death. Now, does it got clarified.

It was indeed true that he abducted the throne in 1822(actually, it was gimmic done by the family to continue the lineage, ok). Then, he ruled upto 1832 untill the british annexed it. Got, clarified. If you want more information, then refer the website, http://www.4dw.net/royalark/India/bangana2.htm. Bsskchaitanya 07:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aseminae article

I'm little confused why you would put a references template on an article that has nothing to be referenced. It's just a stub derived from its parent article. I don't think we need to reference basic information derived from the next link up the taxobox. Hatch68 16:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox Rebbe

I prefer the colours I spent some time choosing, but it's not worth an edit war.--Redaktor 23:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Old City of Jerusalem

Hi! Just would like to inform you that contrary to what you left in a talk page of an editor, this World Heritage Site was inscribed on 1981 on the List. One year later, it was inscribed on the Danger List. In other words, it has been inscribed on two separate occasions, and on two different lists that are under one program (i.e. World Heritage program). Refer to this official link: http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/148 Joey80 15:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of Judaism

Hi Chesdovi. In relation to editing this article, could you please explain at the talk page what you meant by Unauthorized duplication is strictly forbidden? Thanks in advance. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up ® 10:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I just followed the link given which states: The Truth About the Talmud is copyrighted material excerpted from Michael A. Hoffman's book, "Judaism's Strange Gods" which was published in the year 2000 - Unauthorized duplication is strictly forbidden. Btw, this addition was added by User:Benyehuda on its own page on 11 March 07 and was subsequently deleted by User:Newyorkbrad. The next previous day exactly the same was added by User:Thestick. I am convinced User:Thestick was trying to add offensive material under a different username. I asked User:Newyorkbrad if any action should be taken (if there was enough evidence) against this sock-puppetry. I have not yet had a reply. Chesdovi 12:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your detailed explanation. Fair enough and happy editing Chesdovi. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up ® 12:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
What...The...Hell? thestick 13:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I created that section on march 10th, nice distortion of the facts chesdovi . Also I think citing Hoffman's article is fair use, it was not a 'reproduction' and was written in 3rd person. thestick 13:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Try to source it and change the wording. That would sort out the issue. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up ® 13:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I sourced with a link to Hoffman's page too, also I didnt write about racism in the talmud , I wrote about the verses considered by michael hoffman as racist/hate literature. Any suggestions? thestick 13:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Try to rewrite it and discuss it at the article talk page. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up ® 13:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
The truth is that all the quotes User:Thestick added are in fact the real distortions. Maybe it should be placed under conspiracy theories, Historical revisionism, Anti-Semitism, Hate site etc. Chesdovi 13:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, according to the usage we get to work with in wikipedia, the title allegations is suitable as in Hamas#Accusations and denial of antisemitism, Criticism of the Qur'an and Criticism of Islam. The important things are neutrality and verifiability which i believe are both respected till now. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up ® 13:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Let User:Thestick neutralise the article by providing the rebuttals as well not just quotes which offend. Why should someone else have to do the work? Chesdovi
At least give me a link to a good online Talmud. thestick 13:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Talmud#External links. Try some of those links. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up ® 13:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
[7] Chesdovi 13:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, there's also this one: [8]. Good luck. Chesdovi 14:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I still haven't found an online Talmud - How do I find this "Moed Kattan 18a" ? thestick 14:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
[9] you may need a Aramaic dictionary as well. Chesdovi 14:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A request

Hi again Chesdovi. I am not sure if you are familiar w/ Punic inscriptions but could you please have a look at this page (especially the CIS I 5510.10 scripts) and give me your comments? Thanks in advance. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up ® 14:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Third Holiest site

Here: http://www.chnphoto.ir/gallery.php?gallery_uid=187&lang=en Armyrifle 10:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I doubt it, but I'm not really sure. Armyrifle 11:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Sultan hala

I did explain the deletion in the talk page. whats more what i said is backed up by the two disclaimers on the page : one for copyright infringement and one 'worldview' disclaimer

Its your comment on the talk page thats inadequate to explmain your action kfeto

That worldwide tag stays - you know why. thestick 12:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Categorizing rabbis

Thanks for you work on this. You would save yourself (and others who might add categories afterwards a lot of typing by using {{DEFAULTSORT:}} --Redaktor 16:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mezhbizh (Hasidic dynasty) at Mediation Cabal

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[edit] Haredi rabbis

I see you categorise certain rabbonim in this category, even though the term would be an anachronism if applied to them (e.g. Yechiel Michel Epstein). Is there no other solution for this? JFW | T@lk 22:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

The actual term "haredi" is of post-WWII coinage, and I find it very difficult to retroactively apply it to people who were absolutely haredi in spirit (such as the Vilna Gaon) but lived before the term assumed it present meaning. The distinction with modern orthodoxy cannot be made until this concept was introduced; but what is modern orthodoxy? Are they the rabbonim that sided with the zionists (which would include the Netziv, Y.Y. Reines etc) or are they the rabbonim that have made changes to halakha to make it more acceptable to potential baalei teshuva?
Perhaps we should discuss this on WT:JEW, where others may be able to weigh in. JFW | T@lk 11:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] List of synagogues

The list of synagogues is not supposed to be a guide to active synagogues but a guide to all synagogues (like the ruins of Etz Hayyim Synagogue in Greece), so those that were destroyed should remin on the page (in my opinion). On their individual pages they are denoted as having been destroyed or inactive. -NYC2TLV 21:28, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Expanding Tzuf Dvash Synagogue

Hello. I am thinking of expanding the article to include more general details on the development of the North African Jewish community of the old city. I also want to add info on the Tovi Yishbau yeshiva (now Torat Kohanim). Do you think this should this be done in the current article (with an appropriate name change) or in a new one? nadav (talk) 01:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Although I see the advantage of having all the information on one page, I am inclined to leave this page exclusively for information about the synagogue and create a new one about Torat Kohanim Yeshiva, as in Ateret Cohanim which has a redlink to Torat Chaim Yeshiva which had used the same building previously. We would then retain the Tzuf Dvash Synagogue listed under Category:Synagogues in Jerusalem. I am not quite sure in which article you could add information about the development of the North African Jewish community – maybe it would require its own page? Chesdovi 09:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
The problem is that I have just enough content on the community to provide background but not enough for an independent article. It mostly involves the Tovi Yishbau yeshiva so I suppose I'll just create the page like you said and then put it there. Best, nadav (talk) 09:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Award for You

The Barnstar of High Culture
In honor of your contributions to Jewish articles, I award you this Barnstar of High Culture. SU Linguist 17:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] Hasidic dynasties stub

I like your new stub (and will incorporate it into new Hasidic dynasty article stubs). But please replace the picture (it isn't the Baal Shem Tov) by something more suitable. Even a gartl will do until you find something better. --Redaktor 15:44, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

It is the Baal Shem Tov - the Baal Shem of London! PS. Did you notice Kretchniff? Chesdovi 15:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Baal Shem of London was not, I think, called Baal Shem Tov. Are you asking me about the merge proposal for Kretshenef? Good idea, but give it a week. --Redaktor 22:49, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] {{Hasidic dynasties-stub}}

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[edit] about Ezra sun of God

Man I am Jewish myself and of course it is not true. But it only show mistake in the Quran that why I want it to be accurate. The Muslims change it from "the Jews say" to "some Jews say" but it is only because they know there is mistake in the Quran.Anyway I think I will add it also in criticize of the Quran.132.72.149.74 14:27, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Maghen Abraham Synagogue photo

Shalo'wm w elr to'wv. Sorry, but I was the one who deleted the old pic. If you need it for some reason, I could find it online again (with its reference being mentioned). But, what do you want it for.

Drop me a line asap.

To'wdah w lihtrao'wt. - Omar 180 15:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S. You said you're of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. Where do you live?

[edit] I Found it

Shalo'wm. I found the pic, but there's another one also (which shows both the facade and the left side of the building). I hope you know much about license, hence I'll leave you to do the rest. To get the pic(s), click here. Also let me know where the copy is uploaded into. - Omar 180 19:32, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Guess I never mentioned it to you. I as the one who uploaded the pic under my old account. But I just learnt something. If you must upload the pic, it's best to use the Creative Common 2.0 (or newer) license tag.
And I don't know if you know much on Middle Eastern languages, such as Arabic or Hebrew. But if you're interested, I could teach you the basics (but I'm better in Arabic on that than in Hebrew). If interested, click here. - Omar 180 22:08, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] mosque

Amazing that you should be the one to insist that the Dome of the Rock is the most important symbol of the Old City. I believe the messy and unattractive photo that you think belongs there does the page a great disservice. Without saying that this old Jaffa Gate picture is the best one there is, it is certainly a heck of a lot better than the current one. And if you are so concerned about this page, by the way, it needs a huge amount of work. The information provided is superficial at best.--Gilabrand 17:01, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I can see from your message that you take umbrage that a “mosque” should be shown in the infobox. Besides for wikipedia not being the place for petty politics, the Dome of the Rock is in fact not a mosque, (well, at least there is great disagreement about it, see This is the true story). Secondly many Jewish homes feature paintings and photos of this “mosque” as it is the holiest site. If you think, in truth, that this photo is awful, you are the one who has bad taste. The Old City contains mosques and churches – it’s a fact that can not and should not be denied. Chesdovi 21:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] AfD nomination of Allegations of Jordanian apartheid

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[edit] this might interest you

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[edit] I'm not sure what you meant

Separation barrier

Hi. Is it possible to align-left the 1st column aswell? Chesdovi 13:02, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Unless you want it in a boxed setting? That-Vela-Fella 05:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I'll see what I can do to make it look better. Let me know if it still looks bad. That-Vela-Fella 20:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rashi picture

You need to add the source of the picture - where did you find the image? Otherwise it's going to be deleted just as it was before. Everyone knows that this is an old picture that can't possibly be copyright, and probably dates to before there was even such a thing as copyright, but we have nudniks here who insist that this be documented. Zsero 19:47, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Zsero 23:04, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh well, the nudniks attack again. They want information that nobody can give them, because nobody knows who drew the picture or when. And nobody is ever going to sue WP for including it. But they don't really care about that. Zsero 14:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
No, we don't. I don't anyway. But since there now is a public domain image Image:Rashi woodcut.jpg which Zsero uploaded (good job btw) there is no need anymore for Image:Rashi.jpg. Do you mind if it gets deleted? Otherwise I think will take it to WP:IFD. Garion96 (talk) 20:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Take it to IFD if you wish, I will vote keep. Chesdovi 21:54, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough. I listed it for deletion here. Garion96 (talk) 22:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About Autofellatio

I think it's a case of WP:JIMBOSAID, here - consensus and opinions can change over a couple of years and the content disclaimer does say it clearly - there's even a consensus on the TFD that it shouldn't be used in mainspace. Will (talk) 13:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indo-Burma barrier

I nominated your article Indo-Burma barrier for DYK. If you want to change or fiddle with the hook, please feel free! --Mattisse 19:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] Chasam Sofer

[edit] Replaceable fair use Image:Chatam Sofer colour.JPG

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See Image:Chasamsofer.JPG from commons. Also, the rationale you gave is incorrect, as thpainting is not being brought to discuss teh PAINTING, but the man. See Wikipedia:Non-free content#Unacceptable images #8. Thank you. -- Avi 14:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


Once again, please review the fair-use rationales. You may not claim fair-use on a copyrighted painting to identify the subject of the painting. -- Avi 15:09, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I have re-licensed the image to a GNU Free Documentation License as I think in the UK if you take a photo of a painting, you can claim a new copyright over the image. The other image currently available will no doubt be soon deleted as no source information will be found to date the image as being copyright free. Chesdovi 15:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Yes, but wikipedia is governed under US law, and I believe that a photograph of a painting is not considered a new work, similar to how the scan of a magazine cover is not considered a new work. -- Avi 15:16, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
      • "However, the interaction of Wikipedia, the GFDL, and international law is still under discussion." Does this therefore mean that at the moment such image are permitted? Chesdovi 15:20, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
    • I do not know, but the image I substituted is undeniably acceptable as an image over 100 years old (I supplied sourcing, by the way), and is thus the better option since there is no legal issue at all with it, besides it being the canonical picture of the Chasam Sofer ZTVK"L. -- Avi 15:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Unfortunately there is a serious breach of copyright by using the newly uploaded image. The website it is from states: The copyright of the Beth Hatefutsoth website, in its entirety, belongs to Beth Hatefutsoth The Nahum Goldmann Museum of the Jewish Diaspora. No section may be copied without the prior written permission of the Museum. Chesdovi 15:40, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
        • Per the Supreme court, they cannot copyright something whose copyright expired over 100 years ago. See Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp.. -- Avi 16:00, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
          • Let’s say the artist (Ber Frank Halevi) was 30 in 1850 (mid 19th cent) add est. 30 years till his death = 1880, then add the required 70 years after death for the copyright to elapse = 1950. Therefore there is another 57 years need to wait before we can rely on the Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp? Chesdovi 16:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
      • No. Since the original painting is in the public domain now, even if the artist died as late as 1907, all two-dimensional reproductions are ipso facto in the public domain as well, due to the lack of originality. -- Avi 16:41, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What is your role?

What is your role within Wikipedia, seeing that you love to edit anything I do.

I am not complaining, mind you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marfan8 (talk • contribs) 05:12, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

  • You still haven't disclosed where you got the image of R' Bezalel Rakow from? Chesdovi 07:33, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lukashenko

I didn't know about the anti-Semite bit. However, such feeling in the former Soviet Union is (sadly) common. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Tefillin

Just to let you know, your hold on this article expired several days ago. Might I suggest that you pass, fail or extend the hold of the article? Cheers, CP 16:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

16 days now since the article is on hold. -Yamanbaiia (talk) 17:25, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] Image source problem with Image:Wailing Wall, Palestine Post 1934.jpg

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[edit] January 2008

Thanks for experimenting with the page Arab citizens of Israel on Wikipedia. Your recent edit appears to have added incorrect information, and has been reverted or removed. All information in the encyclopedia must be verifiable in a reliable published source. If you believe the information you added was correct, please cite references or sources or discuss the changes on the article's talk page before making them. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thank you. Please do not amend information boxes inappropriately RolandR (talk) 19:11, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Chesdovi, you and I have been accused of vandalism to the Arab citizens of Israel article. I hope this is a simple misunderstanding, but I suspect something more insidious is going on. False accusations such as this cannot be left unanswered. I call your attention to the message I left on RolandR's talk page. Hertz1888 (talk) 21:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Please also note the reply I have left on Hertz1888's talk page. And please read articles and infoboxes before you amend them. RolandR (talk) 22:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Response given at User talk:RolandR#Arab citizens of Israel. Hertz1888 (talk) 22:43, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arab Citizens of Israel

User talk:RolandR doesn’t seem to like the changes I made to Arab citizens of Israel. What I thought were constructive changes, he calls vandalism! I can see you have expanded on this page significantly. Please look through the recent changes and messages left on User talk:RolandR talk page and let me know your view? Best, Chesdovi (talk) 23:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for calling my attention to this discussion. I have added my opinion on the discussion page. Screen stalker (talk) 06:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Palestine-Israel conflict

Please see the above link as I have requested arbitration for a dispute that you are involved in. Feel free to contribute there. Regards, Ryan Postlethwaite 17:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles

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[edit] Idea for Talmud articles

Hi Chesdovi: I am reposting the following request from User Sh76us (talk · contribs) on my user talk page for wider notification:

I was thinking of trying to stimulate development of a series of articles on Gemara concepts and doctrines, maybe to help children or newcomers to Gemara with explanations of some fundamental concepts that recur throughout the Gemara. Some examples might be articles on Yiush, Chazakah, Ta'aninun (as in "Ta'aninun L'Yoresh"), Eidim Zomemin (forgive my awful transliterations), Migu, etc., etc. Maybe we could even create a category or subcategory for it. I created Breira in this vein. As I don't have the experience or expertise in Wikipedia to know what to do to best develop this idea, I figured I'd come to you for your opinions on: (1) whether it's a good idea; and (2) How to best go about implementing it. Thanks Sh76us (talk) 15:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Centralized discussion at: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Idea for Talmud articles. Thank you. IZAK (talk) 05:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Java7837

I am a teenager, Wikipedia is not my life! I am learning Computer Programming in College! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.115.29.172 (talk) 19:53, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles

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I am curious to learn more about the Front for the Liberation of the Golan Heights. If this is indeed an existing organization, it should make for a good article. I would prefer to see it expanded rather then deleted. Rudy Breteler (talk) 01:17, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Front for the Liberation of the Golan Heights

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[edit] Israel stamps

Hi. I just uploaded some stamps and claimed free use, pursuant to Israeli law. See Category talk:Stamps of Israel. Did you already try this route with your stamps? Pls reply to my Talk. Thanks. HG | Talk 22:49, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox religious building colors

Chesdovi, I have felt for a while that the original colors I had chosen on the infobox have needed some revision and would like to ask if you would help. As we've come to this issue over the colors for the Jewish religions I would like to get those resolved and if you are willing work with me and Jayjg to remedy the other colors. I have a feeling the more eyes we get on it and opinions we can have the better things will come out. -- Dan9186(T • E • C) February 7, 2008 08:02 (UTC)


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[edit] Replaceable fair use Image:MG TF.jpg

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[edit] Temple Mount

Thank you for your edit of the introduction to the Temple Mount article. I changed a few words, and think it reads better, but I want to make sure it remains accurate and faithful to your intentions. I won't mind if you modify it. I'll watch here for a possible reply. All the best, Hertz1888 (talk) 01:22, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

No, that's great, and so are all your small useful edits. What would we do without you! :-) Chesdovi (talk) 01:32, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Are you sure that Temple mount has no serious significance in Christianity? Bless sins (talk) 14:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats

see here. DRosenbach (Talk | Contribs) 15:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC) (also, you may want to archive your talk page.)

I think I mixed the messages up, but I responded on the other page. --Robertert (talk) 22:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dome of the rock image

Hi Chesdovi, How are you? Can you translate the text in this image [10] you uploaded ? thestick (talk) 19:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

In the banner is a quote taken from the Book of Haggai which reads: “The glory of this latter house shall be greater [than that of the former], saith the LORD of hosts.” The two words in the picture read “Bet HaMikdash or "The Holy House", referring to the Temple in Jerusalem. Chesdovi (talk) 01:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, and is 'Bet HaMikdash' related to the arabic phrase "Bayt al-Maqdis" which means The Holy House too, but refers to jerusalem? thestick (talk) 21:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
See Bayt al-Maqdis. Chesdovi (talk) 21:29, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Biblical burials

Fantastic job on continuing the article. Question: are all the graves mentioned in the article marked? David Betesh (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 16:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for creating the article! What do you mean by marked? Chesdovi (talk) 23:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

What I mean is, is there an indicator at these specific places that so and so was buried there? (So that we have some type of proof other then what it says in the Bible)... By the way, I think this is the first time in history that such an expansive page was made referencing where all these Biblical heros have been buried... The reason why I created the page is because in my mind, all this stuff was scrambled, and I wanted to have it written down in an organized and correct way. You did very nicely with your assistance. Thank you and keep up the good work.David Betesh (talk) Dovi- two things. One- we have a picture of Joshua's tomb in Joshua...Should we not use that picture? Also- I left the location of where you can find photos of Ezekiel's Tomb. I personally don't know how to upload pictures onto wikipedia, but can you give it a shot? They are interesting pictures. David Betesh (talk)

Besides from the Cave of Machpela, Kever Rochel and a few others, all graves attributed to biblical personalities were revealed by the kabbalists in different generations. The Arizal revealed quite a few through ruach hakodesh. It is upon their testimony that we rely, for any markers are long gone, (besides from the ones the State of Israel has put up, which themselves rely on these religious sources). The Ramban for instance believed Kever Rochel to be in Ramah, but when he arrived in the Holyland, he saw the structure outside Beit Lechem and changed his position on the matter. Regarding the internet photos, it is practically impossible to upload these images onto wikipedia, as they need to be free from any copyright issues. Generally old photos or personal ones are used on wiki. Chesdovi (talk) 23:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

1. Are you just saying that Arizal basically "guessed" these places up? 2. Yes, I heard the opinion before that Rachel was buried more in the Shevet Efraim area (north) and not in the Judea area- it makes more sense...3. It is important that in the article we stress that these are traditional places and not based on facts because we don't want to mislead anyone. 5. I think we should be on the lookout for Ezekiel Tomb photo because from what I hear, this place is very important in Iraq.David Betesh (talk)

Quite a few of the sites were apparently transmitted from generation to generation and there are historical accounts from travellers which state their existence. The Arizal visited many of the already attributed sites and confirmed or dismissed that they were in fact the authentic tomb. He also revealed other previously unknown ones. I think expanding on the intro is a good idea. Chesdovi (talk) 13:36, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Then can I quote you a bit for the introduction? You can change it if you'd like.David Betesh (talk)

It would be better to use reliable source material. There are a few books on the subject and when I get hold of one I will try and use it to write a good introdution. The linked Hebrew version may contain some good content. See what you can come up with! Chesdovi (talk) 00:17, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Joseph's tomb is pretty reliable, and there are old photos and drawings that are now in the public domain and could be used. -- Zsero (talk) 00:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I think it would be interesting to expand this and make separate articles on the lesser-known tombs that do not have articles yet...For example: Tomb of Joshua, Tomb of Ezekiel etc.David Betesh (talk)

[edit] Dome of the rock

What's left to be discussed? (please reply here) thestick (talk) 23:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Please explain what you mean by "sneakily fixed contradiction based on a '99.9% majority wins' conclusion". Chesdovi (talk) 23:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
The overwhelming majority of sources call that area the third holiest site, and I tried to remove it without you noticing (failed obviously) . thestick (talk) 23:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Please refer to Talk:Al-Masjid al-Nabawi#Second holiest? for clarification from User:Mpatel. Chesdovi (talk) 23:48, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
hehehehehehe thestick (talk) 23:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
What's so funny?! Chesdovi (talk) 23:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Looks like you ran to the dome of the rock article after that discussion with user:Mpatel, also I saw some featured information on your userpage. thestick (talk) 16:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh come on it's been more than a year and a half already. thestick (talk) 18:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] David Applebaum

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