Template talk:Chemical bonds

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• This template is now really huge! I think we need to consider splitting it or making some sections collapsible (with [hide]/[show] buttons or equivalent).
• The term "pseudo-chemical bond" seems made up. I'm trying to think of a better name; perhaps something like "special bond types in biomolecules"?
• The 3c-4e bond is certainly not bent. I'm not sure about the 4c-2e either. Only the 3c-2e is regularly called bent, but since bent bond is an ambiguous term used with several different meanings I think it's better not to indent anything under it.
• Another exotic type of bond that could be added is the aurophilic bond. --Itub (talk) 12:35, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree it is huge, but I think it is more important to be comprehensive.

A solution would be to drop completely the pseudo-chemical bonds that are not really chemical bonds.

3c-4e I believe was given as a banana bond example

added it.

Nergaal (talk) 23:24, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Where was the 3c-4e given as a banana bond example? I find it odd, given that these bonds are generally linear. --Itub (talk) 10:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I must have been tired when I said that. Anyways, when I expanded the template I just tried to add as many related articles as possible. I did categorize them hastly. I also agree with the splitting/reclassification. Nergaal (talk) 10:55, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I am going to try to split it into two and see what happens. Nergaal (talk) 11:33, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

see also {{intermolecular bonds}} and tell me what you think. Also, I am of the opinion to drop completely the ones in the pseudo- category, since they are not chemical bonds. They are just a tool for biologists that have no chemical/physical knowledge to label their problemsNergaal (talk) 11:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree with removing the biological bonds, but I think you are being too unkind to our biologist friends. ;-) While these are not "fundamental" bond types, but rather are closer to the organic chemist's concept of a functional group, they do have notable properties that deserve distinction. The split looks good in general, but I'm not entirely convinced of including hydrogen bonds and such under 3c4e bonds. While it is true that they have some 3c4e character (especially the symmetric hydrogen bond), they are already listed as intermolecular, and their inclusion in the intramolecular template could cause some confusion. --Itub (talk) 12:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I have uploaded a more complex template that thould go at the bottom of the pages instead of close to the top. let me know what you think before I go ahead through all the articles. Nergaal (talk) 14:30, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Lots of the "Intermolecular bonds" are also seen intramolecularly. I'm not sure this distinction is a workable one here. DMacks (talk) 15:22, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll work on it later. any sugestions till then? Nergaal (talk) 15:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I like the new template. The horizontal layout at the bottom of an article has more room without causing the problem that a large floating template. Perhaps "other" could be renamed to "biomolecular" or something like that, but it's not that important. --Itub (talk) 12:56, 8 February 2008 (UTC)