Talk:Chevrolet Venture
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Obviously, it usually means, "In 2005, the Venture was redesigned and its name of the model was renamed to Uplander". --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com
The Oldsmobile Silhouette, Pontiac Trans Sport, and the other GM minivans should not be merged with the Venture. They deserve their own Articles as the Chrysler minivans have. - Bavaria 13:12, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
- I also oppose merging the pages; it would create a huge mess like the Chrysler minivans article was. --ApolloBoy 19:59, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
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- The Chrysler minivan articles have an embarrassing amount of overlap.
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- From Merging and moving pages: You should merge when "there are two or more pages on related subjects that have a large overlap." Like I said on some other discussion pages, despite what GM's marketing department may wish the public to believe, there is enormous overlap in these vehicles. They are virtually identical. Marketing is marketing and must not be confused with the reality of the vehicles.
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- The differences are minor details, not the essences of the vehicles.
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- Novasource 21:09, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Overlap or not, I find it useful to have separate articles if certain elements become confusing. Take my recent split of Ford Explorer Sport Trac out of Ford Explorer, for example. These two vehicles are certainly the same, but the Sport Trac (and Sport, now that I think of it) skipped a generation, didn't have a V8 (until recently), and so on. So the article got confusing - I figured an average reader would have trouble decyphering the details from that long article. So I split it. Same for Ford EXP and Ford Escort, and others.
As for the GM minivans, the decision for me comes down to confusion. If there are sufficient differences between the models to cause confusion about basic facts like when a model was produced and which engines it used, then they should be split. If the differences amount to minor trim and naming, then they should be merged. I've looked through these articles, and I do feel personally that they can remain split rather than merging.
On another note, the Oldsmobile Silhouette article is much too detailed, while the Venture and Pontiac articles seem thin. Must be an Olds fan contributing... Also, these need Infoboxes. --SFoskett 03:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
- I have to support keeping these articles separate. Merging them would create another mess like Chrysler minivans, and after you've merged them, it's a lot harder to recover brand specific information. Even though these vehicles share many characteristics, they differ in one important aspect: history. Separating the different histories of each vehicle is extremely difficult and confusing. These articles belong separate: if you merged these, every single Ford/Mercury/Lincoln article should then, in theory, be merged, along with every Chevy/Pontiac/Buick/Whatever other GM division article, and every Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep article. The bottom line is that they are different vehicles with different names, histories and characteristics and should have different articles here. Airline 22:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
