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[edit] Page redirect

Since half the people editing this article aren't going to agree with me...I'll still say it. Since the band was named after the car, which has been infamous among muscle cars for the past 40 years, why does the page "Chevelle" contain the wiki page for the band, especially since the band was named after the car? It seems that a new (in comparison) band which took it's name from an infamous vehicle would have a wikipedia entry named "Chevelle (band)", while the car itself would be the page for Chevelle, or even a disambiguation page. It's as if I started a band named Camaro after the car, and the wikipedia page for "Camaro" (the car) got moved to something else. If one is obviously of greater fame over a longer period of time, why is the page about the lesser and more shortly known one? Zchris87v 23:49, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

The reason that this doesn't have "(band)" after it is besause the car's article has the full title which is Chevrolet Chevelle.
Thank you,
Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 23:56, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
This is not what I was referring to. Please re-read what I previously wrote and then respond to the other questions I have raised, including my example for "Camaro". Thank you. Zchris87v 21:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
The name Camaro is just a short version of the full name, Chevrolet Camaro, therefor there would be no problem haveing a page named just Camaro.
Thank you,
Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 22:32, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Again, not my point. I was talking about something that is well known by its shortened name. If there were to be a relatively insignificant yet notable enough for wiki band named after something of large fame, to me it seems it would bear the name with "(band)" afterwards, with a line "[subject name] redirects here. For the band named after the [car, song, etc.], see [subject name] (band)". I understand your reasoning, yet in terms of notability the vehicle exceeds the band, so it seems it should redirect there. Thank you. Zchris87v 04:48, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

But that is the point, Wikipedia doesn't use short hand names in the title. A perfect example is the White Zombie album known as Astro Creep 2000 but the full name is Astro Creep: 2000 - Songs of Love, Destruction and Other Synthetic Delusions of the Electric Head. I'm sorry if I am upsetting you but these are just the rules of Wikipedia. Chevelle is actually quite notable anyway, they are a modern band and have gold and platinum certifications. I don't know if you have noticed but I have vastly expanded the article the last couple of days, and it is nealy ready for Good article status, maby you should read the article. And please remember I am sorry if I am irritating you. Merry Christmas.
Thank you,
Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 05:07, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GAN

Comments:

  • Address the infobox field which needs citation.
  • The band originally comprised of the three brothers Pete Loeffler (lead vocals/guitar), Sam Loeffler (drums/percussion), and Joe Loeffler (bass/vocals), but Joe left the band in 2005 due to internal differences and was replaced by Dean Bernardini soon after. put a full stop after and Joe Loeffler (bass/vocals) and make the rest a new sentence.
  • Since its formation Chevelle Comma after formation
  • due to the band incorporating Christian-themed lyrics into the band's first two albums redudant band. use alrenative words
  • The band is one of the most successful bands of modern day Replace the first band with their name because its repeated in the latter part.
  • Chevelle has sold nearly two million albums in the United States, including its second album, Wonder What's Next, certified platinum by the United States RIAA with access sales of one million copies. it's? replace with "their"; they're not animals. i think its better to leave RIAA withouht United States.
    • Y Done Its is common American English, the band is a single entitie, the members are "they".—Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 01:30, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
  • certified platinum by the United States RIAA with access sales of one million

copies. I'm confused.

  • Since its formation its again.
  • There's a lot of started in the formation section.
  • Soon after they began playing instruments the two brothers asked their friend Matt Scott to play bass. put a comma after instruments.
  • The band started playing small outdoor concerts and clubs around Chicago, Illinois with Joe being only 14 years old. comma after Illinois
    • Formation overlook the whole section. Try more broader word or add another word.
  • Wikilink demo.
  • Chevelle recorded a demo known as The Blue album and played small concerts for the next three years, until they were signed on to Steve Taylor's Squint Entertainment. move the comma after album
  • This is an early song from Chevell is or was?

This is just a partial review. Please feel free to object. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 06:42, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


My sincere apologies for taking so long with the review. Hopefully it was worth the wait. =) Overall the article is pretty good, though I do have some suggestions issues here and there, outlined below. So, I've put the article's GA nomination on hold until those issues can be addressed. Holds typically last 7 days, at which point I'll either pass or fail the article. So, without further ado:

  • The lead needs a bit of work. The entire second paragraph minus its first sentence reads as POV. Y Done —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 19:11, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
It hasn't been fixed, "Chevelle is one of the most successful bands of modern day hard rock due to high charting albums and singles." is original research because you are basing the opinion on their charting positions and the band has only sold 2 million albums. That does not make them one of the "most successful hard rock bands" when there is Metallica, Foo Fighters, Velvet Revolver, and Audioslave when they were about till last year. M3tal H3ad (talk) 05:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
  • There's a few times where you mix up "access" with "excess." I think you really mean "excess" in most cases. Y Done —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 19:11, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
    • I told you Skeeker. Its the "access" that bothers me. Anyway, good job. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 06:27, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Why is Filter considered an "Associated band"? Because they toured with them once? I don't think that's the intent of that space in the infobox (or else you'd have to name alot more bands than Filter), so I'd recommend taking it down.
    • Actually they are, Geno Lenardo played with Chevelle when Joe left.
  • "The album was produced by Steve Albini, who was known for producing the album In Utero by Nirvana" should be "is known", since he's still alive and is still known for it. Y Done —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 19:11, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Any website names should be italicized, including in the publisher value of in-line ciations. Also speaking of the citations, try and avoid ".com" in the publisher value. Most (though not all) website aren't know by the url, like Wikipedia.com, or Allmusicguide.com, but by their proper name, like Wikipedia, and All Music Guide. Y Done —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 19:11, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  • In general consider when it is necessary to state a full date of an event. Does it really matter that Point #1 was released on May 4, 1999? Wonder What's Next on August 27, 20002? Does the exact date hold some significance? Reads like recentism and/or proseline. Consider just giving the year. Y Done —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 19:11, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  • "Sam Loeffler says" should probably be in the past tense, since he only said that exact quote once (I assume). Y Done —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 19:11, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  • "according by record sales and chart positions." "according by" is awkward. Y Done —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 19:11, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

And that's it! Hopefully that seems doable. Feel free to drop me a line on my talk page when/if you can address those points. Good luck! Drewcifer (talk) 12:38, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Looking much better! However the second paragraph of the lead still needs major revision. It reads like a fan site. Drewcifer (talk) 10:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... good point, I'll work on that in a little bit. —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 20:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
I got rid of one sentance, but everything is alright, correct? —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 20:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
The one sentence was definately the most problematic, but I still see some problems with the others. "The band has also been highly compared to Tool" the main problem is the word "highly." Someone who doesn't like Tool or Chevelle probably would compare them "highly", so I'd recommend just taking that word out. "critics also state the band has a distinct sound to its music and lyrics." Again, sounds kind of like a fan site. Someone who doesn't like the band probably wouldn't speak so glowingly of them. And simply saying "critics" makes it sound like a unanimous consensus among all critics, which is unlikely. So, I'd still recommend tweeking that sentence around too. BUT, I'd say the article is gone through enough improvements the be granted GA status, despite the nitpicky stuff about the lead. So, I've promoted the article, with the hope that you'll still work on the lead a little bit. Good article, and good work! Drewcifer (talk) 00:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Done, thanks. —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 03:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Page Rewrite

Please stop reverting the page to it's previous format. The page is quite uninformative and not helpful at all if not changed. Thanks. User:tribestros] —Preceding comment was added at 01:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

You are using way to much POV and not sourcing. —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 02:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] genere....

Alternative metal?????Post Grunge????? ......Hahahahaha Funny..... but they are alternative rock in your myspace said:

http://www.myspace.com/chevelle

please change the genere.
I'll serve some copypasta from my comment on the List of Alternative Metal Artists discussion page: "After doing a bit more research, there's more citation for Chevelle being classified as Alternative Rock. At the same time, though, I'd argue that there's a bit of crossover between the genres, particularly in Chevelle's case (due to their heavy sound)." Particularly considering their similarities to Tool, their Alternative Metal classification isn't that much of a stretch. --Brainninja (talk) 06:13, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
As an addendum, I would like to argue the validity of MySpace as the final word in musical genres. --Brainninja (talk) 06:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Myspace isn't valid at all as a genre guide. Bands can call themselves whatever they want. Prophaniti (talk) 17:08, 31 May 2008 (UTC)