Talk:Chetwynd, British Columbia

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[edit] Section order; comments

I was just wondering whether the sections could be ordered w.r.t. their chronological origin (i.e., make "Geography" the very first topic, since it predates all the other topics by eons). Putting "Geography" first would also give readers the "lay of the land" (the town's context, pre-human geologic history, etc.). I'm just sounding an opinion; there's no need to enact it. Saravask 02:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

  • A good idea, but in accordance with Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities#Structure (format for city template) (and its proposed alternatives) the "History" section comes first. I put the "Government" section last because the tables divided the article too much. There were originally four tables (last 2 provincial elections and last 2 federal). I removed them to deal with criticism in the first FAC attempt that the article was too long. Other than that, I do not recall why I chose to put them in the order they appear. --maclean25 03:13, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I see. Why not convert the tables into smaller sidebars, so that the text can flow around them? Doing that, you could move the "Gov" section back to its prescribed position. You could then possibly even reintroduce the two deleted tables. Saravask 04:31, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nitpicks

Thanks for helping, here some replies to your comments:

    • That would be a mistake on my part. It should be Canadian English as it is a Canadian subject, but I just prefer American English, so some of that might have slipped out. Go with the Commonwealth English as I think it is the same as Canadian English.
    • Yes, I prefer the oxford comma as well.
    • I never really thought about dashes but now I see they work nicely. I guess I'm leaning pro-dashes.
    • I have not encountered any crime statistics for Chetwynd. But I will make some enquiries to see what the RCMP detachment or library has.
    • Yes, please fix those padded sentences. It is something I just naturally write. --maclean25 03:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crime Stats

What constitutes a violent crime? 150 violent crimes per year in a community the size of Chetwynd seems awfully high. What exactly is the definition of a "violent crime" in this context? --Dogbreathcanada 05:32, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

  • There were 101 violent crimes in 2004, the blue side is crime rate of which 2004 recorded 141.9 crimes per 1000 population. From page 39 of the reference "Crimes against persons, more commonly called violent crimes, are considered the most serious of the three Criminal Code offence categories. Approximately 10% of all crime reported during 2004 was categorized as violent. These crimes include homicide, attempted murder, sexual and non-sexual assault, robbery and abduction." From Appendix D, in 2004, there were 833 offenses of which 101 were violent crimes of which 7 were sexual assualts, 93 were non-sexual assualts and 1 other (0 homicides, 0 attempted murder). --maclean25 05:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
    • The 150 I was quoting was from 1995. I should have quoted the more recent values. --Dogbreathcanada 08:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I re-did graph with calculations using the populations given on page 187 and the violent crime numbers on page 154. The results do show that Chetwynd has an above average overall crime and violent crime rates than the provincial averages. --maclean25 21:58, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the crime stats — it makes this more balanced than most place articles I've seen. Saravask 23:14, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with litres

There is a problem with the measurements expressed in litres. I identified the gallons associated with them as U.S. gallons, based on the conversions that had been used (changing one to barrels instead). However, on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Chetwynd, British Columbia it was pointed out that the original figures were gallons, for at least some of them.

In that case, there is at least a fair chance that they were Canadian gallons, and that the conversion to litres was made incorrectly. In any case, the original unit should be given first, with the conversion in parentheses. Gene Nygaard 16:44, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Good catch. I checked the reference again and from the Rated Capacity of the Sewer Treatment section (page 12 of 25 where a conversion from litres/sec to gallons/day is given) it is shown that they are imperial gallons. I made the corrections using these units. -maclean25 05:52, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for checking it out and correcting it. Gene Nygaard 18:58, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article Candidate??

This is one of several articles about towns in BC that I have come across which I consider to be models that other articles should aspire to match. Have those doing the work here considered taking this through the Wikipedia:Good articles/Candidates process? See also Wikipedia:Good articles KenWalker | Talk 23:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

  • The article is already rated A-class. According to the assessment scale A-class is better than GA-class. What is the difference between the two classes? ·maclean 01:46, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Not much, except the Good article review can produce suggestions for improvement, while the A rating is just some editor's opinion (might be mine in this case). --Qyd 05:12, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chetwynd, British Columbia

Tags added as persemi automatic peer review which is at... Chetwynd, British Columbia SriMesh | talk 04:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Please note, this is NOT an "semi-automatic" peer review, as SriMesh states, but a full automatic one. It also does not review the article against the Good Article criteria, and cannot be used to judge it against said criteria. Overall, I find these automated reviews complete useless and generally a waste of time, but some editors like them for some reason. Dr. Cash 04:57, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
I have learned from the automated peer reviewer.

Should these be changed? They were picked up by spell check? greenspaces --> green spaces; townsite -->town site, WinterLights-->Winter Lights (though this is a name is it to be without space between two words?); firehall -->fire hall;

greenspace and townsite seem to be correct as they have articles here, WinterLights is the correct name, changed 'firehall' to 'fire hall'.

Should there be in an image title with an abbreviation of stats for Statistics?

It seems informal but that is the agency name: "BC Stats".

Grammar: and those living in a lone-parent household was 4% less. should be re-written as 'those living in a lone-parent household were' OR 'that living in a lone-parent household was'.

Difficult sentence to write. I rewrote it to make it less complicated.

This sentence should be revised: In 2005, the nine officer Chetwynd Royal Canadian Mounted Police detachment, which covers the municipality and nearby rural communities, reported 981 Criminal Code of Canada offenses.

removed tense shift and moved '2005' to end of sentence with 2005 statistic.

This lead paragraph sentence should be revised if it is attempting FAC in the future... Its population is significantly younger, and has a higher crime rate, than the provincial averages.

This sentence is the one which introduces the reader of the entire article to the demographics section. If only the lead paragraph is used on the main page of wikipedia, is there not a better method to introduce the demographics paragraph to entice further reading, than a crime rate? It is rather ucky (not a wikipedia term but a crime rate is not really a claim to fame). IMHO, the lead does not introduce all the sections adequately. Double check the lead section length, and if it adequately introduces the reader to all the sections to induce further reading. Looking at only the lead without table of contents, ... is enough in the lead to have the reader seek out the sections listed in the table of contents for further facts? The length today (oldid=166124017) is 18,288 characters no spaces and 21,578 with spaces.

I boosted the intro.

Can a chart be added which lists which place names Chetwynd is close to? North, south, east and west directions? Ie Moberly Lake, Jackfish Lake, and Lone Prairie.

These two sentences should be revised: Then it will read a lot better and no more weasel words It has been A statue of a lumberjack entitled "Chetwynd, the Little Giant of the Great Peace", measuring 2.7 metres (9 ft) tall and located alongside the highway, has stood in the town since 1967. It has been periodically altered by replacing the ax with other accessories, such as a lasso, rifle, gold pan and pitchfork, or dressed in other outfits, like a Santa suit.

Replaced "It" with "The statue".

Is there more for the history section?

Of course, a book was written about the subject.

The name Little Prarie refers to a trading post - did the first nations trade buffalo hides or what / for what in return? Was it a Hudson Bay Trading Post or Northwest Trading post or an independent trading post? Is there information about the factor?

The part about the trading post is kept brief because the sources do not elaborate on it. They acknowledge that a "small trading post opened" in 1918 but doesn't say by who. From the way it is mentioned it doesn't seem like a full time or important post. HBC and Revellion (sp?) had trading posts in the area. If sources are found with this info it should be added.

1918 is fairly modern for human history, is there no other early history of the area?

The first development mentioned is the 1918 trading post. Prior to this the area and future municipality was just forested Crown land.

I would assume that there is no information for this area on the 1901 censeii or 1906 which are online (For example), if the article begins at 1918.

Correct, prior to its incorporation as a municipality the population was just lumped together with the rest of the unincorporated area. It wasn't until the 1930s before the land was cleared for farming.

As there were homesteaders what was the legal land description of the homesteads/ post office/ town?

I'll add the lat/long coordinates, plus I'll try to sneak some other geographic references in there (NTS, BCGS, district lot). The legal land description is the district lot - numbers assigned when they are registered (so not completely random) but have no geographic organization to them). Nothing as useful as the Dominion Land Survey. maclean 02:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

SriMesh | talk 20:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I've re-factored the above comment for indented responses. maclean 02:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

I think this article is very well written, and looks very complete. I am still somewhat confused at the "semi-automatic peer review" posted by SriMesh, and have read and reread the article looking for these so-called "weasel words" and other "prose issues", and cannot find any. I also don't see any significant problems with the prose, either -- it's a very well written article, IMHO. Though I see that someone is copyediting, so I am placing this on hold for right now, based on this, and pending some other minor changes, mostly structural changes.

  • Minor completeness issue: The history section seems to stop in the 1980s somewhere. Is there anything going on today in this town?
  • Suggest to move 'geography and climate' up in the section order a bit; I would actually recommend an order of: History, geography, demographics, economy, since these sections contain information that would likely be sought after by readers first. Things like infrastructure, education, government, etc, are less important and can be moved to later in the article.
  • Separate the education information from the economy section. Based on guidelines at WP:CITIES, these are two areas that are somewhat unrelated and should be treated as two separate sub-topics.
  • I would also recommend separating the media information (newspapers, television, radio) out from the culture section (new section: 'media').

Once these issues are fixed, I believe the article overall will meet the Good Article criteria, and can be promoted. Good work! Dr. Cash 05:22, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I've now completed my copyedit of the article. Once Dr. Cash's recommended changes are made, I think the article wouldn't be far from FA level. Epbr123 12:22, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I made these changes. [1] --maclean 06:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

The article looks good, and has been promoted to Good Article status. One suggestion though; you might want to expand the table of high/low temperatures in the 'geography and climate' section beyond just january & july. See the Flagstaff, Arizona article's climate section for an example of a table. You can get data from most cities from weatherchannel.com.
Good luck with the FAC. Dr. Cash 02:31, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FA Class

Congratulations on making FA class for this article. It is a well deserved recognition. Does anyone know who is expected to add the little gold star that FA articles wear? --KenWalker | Talk 02:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Thank you for nominating it. Anyone can add the star after it makes the FA list. It was just added by Epbr123. --maclean 04:24, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
  • This article should not be featured. It still has all the faults that caused it to be defeatured. It also has shockingly poor writing even in the lead section: "Home to approximately 2,600 residents, the population has increased little in the last 25 years but is significantly younger than the provincial average", for example. Someone should list it at WP:FAR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.148.217 (talk) 20:31, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tables

I noticed that the tables on the bottom were messed up in FF and IE and I lack the skillz to fix ti so I tagged the article. I hope someone can come along and fix it. Matthardingu (talk) 15:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC) Y Done--Qyd (talk) 16:10, 17 April 2008 (UTC)