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A fact from Chester Castle appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 13 March 2008.

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1. The stub needs to be considerably expanded.
2. It should make use of sections.
3. More photos need to be added.
4. References and Citations are crucial for wikipedia, and so these must be added as the article is expanded. Make sure that as many as possible are "in-line" citations.(See WP:References, WP:V, and WP:CITE for guidance.)

Peter I. Vardy 13:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:08, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inaccuracies

This article is also slightly inaccurate:

Chester Castle was started not in 1069, but in 1070 by Gherbod the Flemming not Hugh of Avranches (who only became Earl in 1071). It was besieged during the English Civil War? - technically it wasn't, the city was. It was rebuilt as a prison over a 37-year period from the 1790s - no, it was already a prison and slated by John Howard as one of the worst in the country.

Please feel free to follow the links from my article at http://www.chesterwiki.com/Chester_Castle if you would like to update it with references - I added a link to this page in the hope that it might be useful to someone, but it was deleted.

If you know what the true facts are, you would have been welcome to have corrected it yourself. The link was removed according to previous discussions about the link, about which main contributors to the chesterwiki know and contributed,  DDStretch  (talk) 12:30, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

As one of the main contributors to Chesterwiki (Hooligan), I don't really see the point in my duplicating the article here. As for the link being removed "according to previous discussions" that is being economical with the truth - it was deleted (16th April) as "inappropriate external content" before there was any discussion at all. In the subsequent discussions we made it clear that if anyone wanted to update this page with the data from my article I had no objection. A link to my longer article on "Conflict and fortification in Chester" would have enabled someone to borrow whatever they needed for a shorter article on the Castle and conform with the Wiki standards that we don't yet rigorously apply on the Chesterwiki - as this is flagged as a "High Priority" page I thought I might save someone some time.

(Hooligan)

As Hooligan says, all the links to Chester Wiki were removed before there was any discussion with the Chester Wiki contributors. DDStretch, your remarks are very ambiguous as to who was involved in the discussion and when the links were removed. The history shows the links were removed on 16 April, which was before we criticised their removal. I already said in the discussions on the Wikipedia pages for Chester and the Cheshire Wikipedia project that Hooligan was the author of the Castle feature on Chester Wiki and that your group were welcome to use that feature to update this page. Purpleprose 17:36, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

There was and is no requirement to discuss this issue with the members of the Chester Wiki, and, indeed, as can be seen here, the general view from other Wikipedia editors with particular inerests in the business of External Links (who were consulted both on here and privately) was that the guidelines veered towards not including the Chester Wiki link. I went against these guidelines after further consultation with other Wikipedia editors and included the Chester Wiki on a one-time basis for the Chester article. Given the priorities different editors have, we invited people who knew about the Chester Wiki articles (as authors of them) to update the information here, as they are best placed to know about the content and the sources that are at some point needed as references. This is because we are also busy doing other things. No one has been able to do this yet, either from here or the Chester Wiki, but the invitation for any of you to do so still stands.  DDStretch  (talk) 18:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

May I quote you:

I am inclined to delete the links where they occur unless some serious work is done to improve the quality and verifiability of the content on the Chester Wiki. After all, we have a large enough job trying to bring the articles up to standard with respect to references and citations, without new external links that point to a different wiki with no verifiable content on it. (emphasis added - please correct if misquoted)

.. this is attitude is hardly going to encourage anyone to contribute anything.