Talk:Che Guevara/List of Refs with problems
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These are refs that link to URLs that no longer exist or that need to be replaced for other reasons:
1. Guevara was born in Rosario, Argentina,[2] ^ Rosario de Santa Fe website,"Rosario de Santa Fe Argentina". Online, accessed 4 January 2006.
http://www.heyche.com/index.php
NB: URL no longer exists; I will find a citation in a book.
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2.
... Bayamo in the Cuban province of Oriente,[6]
Radio Cadena Agramonte, "Ataque al cuartel del Bayamo" Online, accessed 25 February 2006
http://www.cadenagramonte.cubaweb.cu/historia/cuartel_bayamo.asp
NB: this URL seems to exist but cannot load, I will look for it in internet archive.
Solution: new URL:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060217112408/http://www.cadenagramonte.cubaweb.cu/historia/cuartel_bayamo.asp
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3. Even as early as 1959, Guevara helped organize disastrously failed revolutionary attempts overseas, first in Panama and then in the Dominican Republic (led by Henry Fuerte,[12] a.k.a. "El Argelino", and Enrique Jiménez Moya).[13] In these attempts Ramón López (Nené), aide to Comandante Camilo Cienfuegos, died; thus these landings are said by some to have been a purge of "Camilo" loyalists.
This is ref[13]: ^ Peña, Emilio Herasme," La Expedición Armada de junio de 1959", 14 June 2004.Online at 'Listín Diario (Dominican Republic), accessed 4 January 2006. http://www.listin.com.do/antes/junio04/140604/cuerpos/republica/rep10.htm
NB: URL no longer exists; I will look for it in internet archive.
Update: I checked for it in IA but it is not there. I will have to try to find it in a book.
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4. In 1960 Guevara was involved in the La Coubre arms shipment cleanup[14]
^ FotosPL images of La Coubre, accessed 26 February 2005
http://www.fotospl.com/Default.aspx?Class=23&Epig=001~01&PA=17
NB: URL no longer exists; I will try to find it on the Prensa Latina site or in internet archive. (It was to an image and can be deleted if we cannot find it.)
Update: IA does not have it. Prensa Latina does not have it.
Solution: I placed images of La Coubre disaster in the article by that name some time ago. These should be suffcient. There is a link to the La Coubre article in the March 10 version of the CG article, therefore that is sufficient and we can delete this ref completely.
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5.
Whether this ship was sabotaged or merely exploded by accident is not clear. Those who favour the sabotage theory sometimes attribute this to the Central Intelligence Agency[16] and sometimes name William Alexander Morgan,[17]
^ Cuban Information Archives, "La Coubre explodes in Havana 1960". Online, accessed 26 February 2006
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/cuban-rebels/dockworker.htm
NB: this URL still exists, but is incorrectly described as the URL of the latinamericanstudies.org pasted in above; the article that is reproduced there is purportedly from the Miami Herald but we have no way to evaluate its accuracy/authenticity.
Opinions of others requested.
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6.
Cuban exiles have put forth the theory that it was done by Guevara's USSR-loyalist rivals.[18]
Guaracabuya.org, "El porque el PCC ordenó volar el barco "La Coubre". Online, accessed 26 February 2006
http://www.amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagev003.php
NB: this URL still exists although has a very definite POV; however, this particular piece of information may not be available elsewhere.
Opinions of others requested.
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7. He also appeared on the CBS Sunday news program Face the Nation and met with a wide gamut of people and groups including U.S. Senator Eugene McCarthy, several associates of Malcolm X, and Canadian radical Michelle Duclos.[20][21]
This is [21]: ^ Guaracabuya.org, "TERRORISTS CONNECTED TO CUBAN COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT". Online, accessed 26 February 2006
http://www.amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagev004.php
NB: again, URL exists but has strong POV
Opinions of others requested.
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8.
"There are no frontiers in this struggle to the death. We cannot remain indifferent in the face of what occurs in any part of the world. A victory for any country against imperialism is our victory, just as any country's defeat is our defeat."[22][23]
ref[22] to the Bonachea book
ref[23]: ^ Ernesto Che Guevara, "English Translation of Complete Text of Algiers Speech", Online at Sozialistische Klassiker, accessed 4 January 2006.
http://www.sozialistische-klassiker.org/Che/Chee13.html
This URL no longer exists but should be easy to replace. Furthermore, ref[22] is a good one to the Bonachea book, so I think that ref[23] could simply be removed -- I had only put it there so that people could read the speech. In the latest version, this sentence has links to audio and PDF versions of the speech in question so we can just copy that sentence and paste it in here.
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He proceeded to outline a number of measures which he said the communist-bloc countries should implement in order to accomplish this objective.[24][25]
ref[24] is a good one to Bonachea
ref [25]: ^ Ernesto Che Guevara, "English Translation of Complete Text of Algiers Speech", Online at Sozialistische Klassiker, accessed 4 January 2006.
URL does not exist.
http://www.sozialistische-klassiker.org/Che/Chee13.html
NB: I recommend eliminating ref[25]
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10.
On 3 October of that year, Castro revealed an undated letter[27] purportedly written to him by Guevara some months earlier in which Guevara reaffirmed his enduring solidarity with the Cuban Revolution but stated his intention to leave Cuba to fight abroad for the cause of the revolution.
Ernesto Che Guevara, "Che Guevara's Farewell Letter", 1965. English translation of complete text: Che Guevara's Farewell Letter at Wikisource.
This link is to my translation of the Farewell Letter that I had uploaded to Wikisource. Somebody recently deleted it on the pretext that it had "no content", which is absurd. I need to upload it there again and then this link will be all right.
Solution: I re-uploaded my translation and this link to wikisource is now working properly.
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Guevara dismissed Kabila as insignificant. "Nothing leads me to believe he is the man of the hour," Guevara wrote.[28]
^ BBC News,"Profile: Laurent Kabila", 26 May 2001. Online at BBC News, accessed 5 January 2006.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1121068.stm
This URL brings up a blank page; I could probably find it again in BBC Archives but since SandyGeorgia has said BBC links should be replaced when possible, and since I know that this quote exists in various works re the African adventure, I will find a good citation for it.
Solultion: when I tried it later, it came up. Still, I will find a print source for this quotation.
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12.
They were able to monitor Guevara's communications, arrange to ambush the rebels and the Cubans whenever they attempted to attack, and interdict Guevara's supply lines.[29][30]
This is [29]: ^ African History Blog, "Che Guevara's Exploits in the Congo", Che Guevara's Exploits in the Congo Online at African History, accessed 5 January 2006.
http://africanhistory.about.com/b/2005/12/14/che-guevaras-exploits-in-the-congo.htm
This URL still exists but, being a blog, should probably be replaced by a better source.
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13.
They were able to monitor Guevara's communications, arrange to ambush the rebels and the Cubans whenever they attempted to attack, and interdict Guevara's supply lines.[29][30]
This is [30]: ^ Mad Mike Hoare Site, "Mad Mike". Online at Geocities.com, accessed 5 January 2006.
http://www.geocities.com/madmikehoare/
This URL still exists but, being a website of dubious repute, should probably be replaced by a better source if possible.
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The incompetence, intransigence, and infighting of the local Congolese forces are cited by Guevara in his Congo Diaries as the key reasons for the revolt's failure.[31]
^ Ireland's Own, "From Cuba to Congo, Dream to Disaster for Che Guevara". Onine at irelandsown.net, accessed 11 January 2006.
http://irelandsown.net/Che2.html
NB: this URL exists and is quite good, but being a website should probably be replaced which will be easy to do. Consider this URL for inclusion in "External Links".
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15.
Because Fidel Castro had made public Guevara's letter[32] to him in which he wrote
^ Ernesto Che Guevara, "Che Guevara's Farewell Letter", 1965. English translation of complete text: Che Guevara's Farewell Letter at Wikisource.
NB: this is the same issue as #10 above; it will be resolved when I re-upload the translation to Wikisource.
Solution: I re-uploaded my translation and this link to wikisource is now working properly.
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16.
During this time he compiled his memoirs of the Congo experience, and also wrote drafts of two more books, one on philosophy[33] and the other on economics.[34]
This is [33]: ^ Ernesto Che Guevara, Apuntes Filosóficos, draft.
This is [34]: ^ Ernesto Che Guevara, Notas Económicas, draft.
NB: These refs are not to URLs, they are refs to drafts. Both of them need to be updated since at least partial versions of these two drafts have now been published.
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17.
was reportedly also working for the KGB and is widely inferred to have unwittingly served Soviet interests by leading Bolivian authorities to Guevara's trail.[35]
^ Major Donald R. Selvage - USMC, "Che Guevara in Bolivia", 1 April 1985. Online at GlobalSecurity.org, accessed 5 January 2006.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1985/SDR.htm
NB: this is a working URL and IMO irreplaceable so I recommend STET.
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18.
His body was lashed to the landing skids of a helicopter and flown to neighboring Vallegrande where it was laid out on a laundry tub in the local hospital and displayed to the press.[38]
Richard Gott, "Bolivia on the Day of the Death of Che Guevara". Online at Mindfully.org, accessed 26 February 2006
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2005/Che-Guevara-Gott11aug05.htm
NB: this ref links to Gott's article; it is probably not possible to replace it. On the other hand, we could likely find many other sources (Anderson, Castañeda, Taibo, etc.) for the particular datum about his body being lashed to a helicopter and flown to VG ...
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19.
The hunt for Guevara in Bolivia was headed by Félix Rodríguez, a CIA agent, who previously had been infiltrated into Cuba to prepare contacts with the rebels in the Escambray Mountains and the anti-Castro underground in Havana prior to the Bay of Pigs invasion, and had been successfully extracted from Cuba after it.[39][40]
This is ref[39]:
- Rodriguez, Felix I. and John Weisman. Shadow Warrior/the CIA Hero of a Hundred Unknown Battles (Hardcover), New York: 1989, Publisher: Simon & Schuster
This is [40]: MaxNews, "Félix Rodríguez:Kerry No Foe of Castro". Online, accessed 27 February 2006
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/29/113445.shtml
NB: ref[40] is a duplicate reference. The URL still exists but it seems redundant to me and I would recommend that it be deleted since the book, which is cited in ref[39], is a better source. (If someone has access to the book, it would be helpful if he could verify the information in ref[39] and provide a page number):
Help finding page number in Rodriguez book needed.
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20.
Also removed when Guevara was captured was his diary, which documented events of the guerrilla campaign in Bolivia.[41] ^ Ernesto Che Guevara,"Diario (Bolivia)". Online, accessed 26 February 2006.
http://www.uco.es/~i62guigm/che/diario.htm
NB: this URL exists, but better to cite a book here
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There are at least four additional diaries, those of Israel Reyes Zayas (Alias "Braulio"), Harry Villegas Tamayo ("Pombo"), Eliseo Reyes Rodriguez ("Rolando")[42] and Dariel Alarcón Ramírez ("Benigno").[43] ^ Major Donald R. Selvage - USMC, "Che Guevara in Bolivia", 1 April 1985. Online at GlobalSecurity.org, accessed 5 January 2006.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1985/SDR.htm
NB: re ref[42], same issue as described in #17 above. I recommend STET.
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22. Concerning ref[44] and ref[45], these are both working URLs, but in both cases the image Tinyspkricon.jpg which has been deleted needs to be replaced with a template that displays the speaker icon -- I cannot find it right now but know it exists.
URL of ref[44] is http://w1.1559.telia.com/~u155900388/Carte_al_Che.wav
URL of ref[45] is http://www.bbc.co.uk/spanish/audio/seriemilenio02e.ram
Help needed to find the template with the tiny speaker
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A dramatic photograph of Guevara taken by photographer Alberto Korda[46] soon became one of the century's most recognizable images ^ BBC News,"Che Guevara photographer dies", 26 May 2001.Online at BBC News, accessed 4 January 2006.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1352650.stm
NB: This BBC News URL is working and I do not know of any book that has this information, although some probably do ... So, at this point, I am not sure whether this link can/should be replaced.
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... was simplified and reproduced on a vast array of merchandise, such as T-shirts, posters, coffee mugs, and baseball caps.[47]
Image:Tinyspkricon.jpgCBC Radio One,"Discussion about Che Guevara". Online, accessed 26 February 2006.
http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/media/200409/20040909thecurrent_sec2.ram
NB: this CBC Radio URL exists and is working. The particular datum could no doubt be sourced elsewhere, but the discussion in this audio clip is interesting (in my opinion). Others should decide what to do about this.
Here too the tiny speaker image needs to be replaced with a template that displays a tiny speaker
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Called "the most complete human being of our age" by the French philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre,[48]
Michael Moynihan, "Neutering Sartre at Dagens Nyheter". Online at Stockholm Spectator, accessed 26 February 2006
http://www.spectator.se/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=43&Itemid=
NB: this URL no longer exists and is not available in Internet Archive. It should be replaced by a published source.
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For example, in his "Message to the Tricontinental", he writes of "hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine."[49]
^ Álvaro Vargas Llosa, "The Killing Machine: Che Guevara, from Communist Firebrand to Capitalist Brand", 11 July 2005. Online at the New Republic, accessed 5 January 2006.
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1535
NB: this URL exists but it might be better to source it to a publication, such as the magazine itself. Also, some have POV issues with Vargas Llosa.
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New York Sun writer Williams Myers labels Guevara a "sociopathic thug".[50]
^ New York Sun website, "An Icon of Evil". Online, accessed 25 February 2006
http://www.nysun.com/article/24987
NB: this URL exists but might be considered very POV ... and being a newspaper should be replaced, if possible.
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They assert that Che Guevara was responsible for the torture and execution of hundreds of people in Cuban prisons, and the murder of many more peasants in the regions controlled or visited by his guerrilla forces.[51]
^ Álvaro Vargas Llosa, "The Killing Machine: Che Guevara, from Communist Firebrand to Capitalist Brand", 11 July 2005. Online at the New Republic, accessed 5 January 2006
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1535
NB: identical source as discussed in item #26 and identical problems
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While supporters of Guevara point to the Battle of Santa Clara as a major victory for Guevera, critic Álvaro Vargas Llosa writes, "His greatest military achievement in the fight against Batista—taking the city of Santa Clara after ambushing a train with heavy reinforcements—is seriously disputed. Numerous testimonies indicate that the commander of the train surrendered in advance, perhaps after taking bribes."[52][53]
ref[52], ^ Álvaro Vargas Llosa, "The Killing Machine: Che Guevara, from Communist Firebrand to Capitalist Brand", 11 July 2005. Online at the New Republic, accessed 5 January 2006
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1535
NB: identical source as item #26 and identical problems
ref[53], ^ Humberto Fontova, "Fidel's executioner". FrontPage magazine Online, accessed 26 February 2006
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=50C84DE3-56E9-44C4-B7E7-43305CB15405
NB: URL exists but there may be POV issues with it
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Finally, these critics believe that Guevara was a major failure at managing the Cuban economy, as he "oversaw the near-collapse of sugar production, the failure of industrialization, and the introduction of rationing—all this in what had been one of Latin America’s four most economically successful countries since before the Batista dictatorship."[54][55]
ref[54], ^ History News Network, "Che Guevara... The Dark Underside of the Romantic Hero". Online, accessed 26 February 2006
http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/6300.html
NB: this URL exists but it purports to reproduce a newspaper article and we are unable to determine whether it is a faithful copy of said article or not; seems like a dubious source to me
ref[55], ^ Free Cuba Foundation, "Che Guevara's Dubious Legacy". Online, accessed 26 February 2006
http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/che.html
NB: this URL exists, link is to what they say is a transcript of Guevara's 1967 message to the Tricontinental Congress; other sources could be found for this document but I think that the point here is that these are sites maintained by persons or groups that are critical of Guevara ...
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In addition, some critics believe that, because there is no documentary evidence of Guevara having earned a medical degree, he was not actually a doctor.[56]
Humberto Fontova, "Fidel's Executioner".FrontPage magazine Online, accessed 25 February 2006
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=50C84DE3-56E9-44C4-B7E7-43305CB15405
NB: same source that was discussed under #29, ref[53] above, same problems
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Shops, such as Che-Mart, have merchandised their dislike of Guevara by marketing T-shirts poking fun at both Guevara and his supporters, casting aspersions, for example, on what they perceive as an irony: Che Guevara as one of capitalism's hottest-selling images.[57]
^ USA Today, "Che Guevara should be scorned — not worn" Online, accessed 26 February 2006
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-10-30-guevara-edit_x.htm
NB: this URL exists but is to a newspaper
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Although much criticism of Guevara and his legacy emanates from the political center and right, there has also been criticism from other political groups such as anarchists and civil libertarians, some of whom considered Guevara an authoritarian, anti-working-class Stalinist, whose goal was the creation of a more bureaucratic state-Stalinist regime.[58]
^ Libertarian Community, "Ernesto "Che" Guevara, 1928-1967". Online, accessed 26 February 2006
http://libcom.org/history/articles/1928-1967-ernesto-che-guevara/index.php
NB: this URL exists but no longer contains information referring to Guevara, therefore must be deleted and I doubt that a replacement can be found.
Solution: I found this quotation by searching the website in question. It is a blog entry at http://libcom.org/forums/thought/guevara-ernesto-che-1928-1967 .
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IMPORTANT NOTE: items 24 through 31 have special characteristics in that they were included by certain editors who intended that they should express a particular POV and are in the "Criticism" section; because of this, I suppose that they should probably be left "as is" in most cases. -- Polaris999 (talk) 19:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
updated
--Polaris999 (talk) 03:38, 28 February 2008 (UTC) --- Polaris999 (talk) 04:00, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
