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Hello, Chapultepec, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Thank you... Chapultepec 21:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Wow!

I love the pictures on your userpage! Do you mind if I add them to my gallery? —Khoikhoi 22:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Certainly you can add them, those are my contributions to everyone...
Chapultepec 22:26, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. :) Did you get caught up in the violence in whlie you were in the Caucasus? —Khoikhoi 22:48, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
That's interesting. So you were only in Ingushetia? That's a pretty small area, I would figure that you've been to Chechnya, or even Dagestan as well. —Khoikhoi 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps someday I'll go there, too...take care. —Khoikhoi 23:48, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Warning

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you.Khosrow II 15:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

You just broke 3RR. However, if you revert it back to the last version by me, your changes wont count, and you wont be subject to a block. Its your choice, be blocked or unmake your changes.Khosrow II 17:21, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
No, in fact you broke the 3RR. If you count the reverts you made you can get it. And if you go to the article and see what I did and what I wrote in the messages of the last edits I made, you can easily understand it...
Chapultepec 17:25, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Since you accepted my proposal I will not report you.Khosrow II 17:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
In fact you did at least four reverts, and you deserve to be reported for it. But I think we came to a compromise and I don't think to report you too....
Moreover, I did not accept your proposal. Your proposal came after I thought the change and made my actions..
Chapultepec 17:51, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'm glad you guys worked it out (at least I hope). In the future the place to go is WP:AN/3RR (new reports go at the bottom). —Khoikhoi 18:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Thank you Khoikhoi...
Chapultepec 18:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR Violations

Report them to WP:AN3 using the format specified at the bottom of the page. alphaChimp(talk) 19:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you AlphaChimp. I don't think to report him for the time being.
Chapultepec 19:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Baklava

This article is horrible written this sentence doesn't even belong there.

"The history of baklava, like that of many other foods, is not well documented. Though it has been claimed by many groups, the best evidence is that it is ultimately of Central Asian Turkic origin, but that its current form was developed in the imperial kitchens of the Topkapı Palace." Nareklm 11:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

You erased my edits without reason. I cited a valid source, next time tell me why you reverted. --152.216.11.5 13:33, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Why did you revert my edit? --152.216.11.5 13:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Above question was addressed to Chapultepec, not Nareklm --Oguz1 14:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
my mistake, sorry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oguz1 (talk • contribs) 15:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Re: Yeniceri_aga.jpg

You might want to ask that question at Wikipedia:Media Copyright Questions and they will be happy to help. —Pilotguy (ptt) 23:34, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

Hi, I've noticed your adding external links, and with spam a major concern, we try to keep an eye on people adding lots of links to Wikipedia, please don't think I'm accusing you of any impropriety, but I am curious - is there any reason you've added links to over 100 pages today ? Do the articles absolutely need this information and have you contacted anybody before adding these links. ? --Kind Regards - Heligoland 02:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rumelia

Okay, Britannica might be one source, but any Turkish dictionary you open you'll find out that 'rum' translates to 'Greek' or in modern times 'Greek of turkish citizenship'[1][2][3]. Most importantly, there's a different word to say "Roman". 'Rum' comes from the Arabic 'Ram', which was a name for Byzantium and sometimes for ancient Greece. Either way in post-Byzantine times 'Rum' refers only to Greeks, and it's still in used today for Greeks of Turkish citizenship and Cypriots. Denying this fact is like reducing the status of ethnic Greeks in Turkey and Cyprus to a subjet people who doesn't have the right to claim an ethnicity. Miskin 20:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of English words of Sanskrit Origin

Thanks for your great work on this page. I noticed that there are a number of quotes from the On-line etymological dictionary. Since the dictionary material is copyrighted, I just wanted to make sure the extensive quoting was not a problem. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 00:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply! OK, great, so you have it under control. I should add that you have done a great job on that page. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yıldız

Sure, good idea. I've also fixed the links at Çırağan Palace, Cinema of Turkey, Golden Horn, and Bezmiâlem. Khoikhoi 05:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure. If you look at Category:Islands of Turkey and Category:Islands in the Sea of Marmara, you'll see that both are used. I guess it depends on which island, but we should use whatever name is most common in English. I prefer "Marmara Island" over "Marmara Adası", but I have no problem with just "Avşa". Cheers, Khoikhoi 06:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tahn

I guarantee you, Tahn is exactly the same as Ayran. It is normally a flat drink, though in some places you have the option of getting the version with gas in it... but you always have the flat version option as that is the normal Tahn, the default - what you get at Zankou Chicken and all the other restaurants. --RaffiKojian 15:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yoghurt

What makes you think it was invented somewhere? —Michael Fourman 00:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


Hi. I'm happy with the Bulgars etc., but in any warm region of the world yoghurt just happens - it really is a matter of discovery, rather than invention. And then you find it happens faster if you add a little of the old yoghurt as a starter, so the better strains get selected.—Michael Fourman 01:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Great. I've tidied a bit more, and put first back. OK? —Michael Fourman 07:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oghuz Turks

Hey. The source is very outdated. Since then, genetic testing has been done, and genetic testing has shown no Oghuz descent. The only Oghuz connection is linguistic, its more accurate to say that the Oghuz Turks are the linguistic ancestors of todays Turkic speakers in Europe/South West Asia.Azerbaijani 14:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Robert College has been nominated GA

Would you like to contribute to the nomination process or peer review the article? SEE: Robert College (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) --Maestro 10:40, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! --Maestro 11:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish cuisine

Hi, our friend Zy is adding lots of good material to the Turkish cuisine article, but I fear he is adding too much material which is redundant with other articles. Please take a look at my comment in Talk:Turkish cuisine and see what you think. I wanted to make a joke with patlama dolması or something, but it's hard to be funny when you're at the dictionary+grammar stage of learning a language.... --Macrakis 05:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE Turkish Cuisine

The problem is that you should first put how a thing is called in Turkish and then in brackets. For example I think it is better to first give "sucuk" as it is and to write thereafter its pronounciation "sujuk". The same thing can be said for musakka, pilav etc.

None of the information I have put so far is redundant. Sometimes I may be tired and careless about grammar and wording however I am always coming back to correct or improve the text. But senseless/baseless removals make me upset gentlemen! I will continue to keep a close eye on your edits —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Z y (talk • contribs) 22:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Kebab

Kebab has many variants, shish kebab is very popular so it should stay. Doner kebab is not relevant or notable enough to stay, the other section I removed because dictionaries don't seem to be a good reference since they don't provide enough information. Artaxiad 09:05, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish cuisine: Reiterations

Simdi tekrar yapmak su sekilde kacinilmaz: yemekleri birbirleriyle iliskilendirerek benzetmeler yaparak farkliliklarini soyleyerek anlatmak gerek. Dolma meselesi mesela. Tamam dolma diye ayri bir bolum var ama simdi zamaninda vejetaryen yemekler kismi acilmis. Simdi orada da bahsetmek gerek. Hem amac bilgi vermek ise tekrar iyi bile sayilabilir. Pekistirir.

Ingilizce karsiliklar tabii ki verilmeli. Aksi dusunulemez. Dedigim suydu; tamam brackets icinde ingilizcesi verilsin ama Turkcesi de mutlaka verilsin. Paranteze Turkcesi de alinabilir ama duz yazi olmamak kaydiyla, yani renkli olmali ki yemek adi gorunsun. Lokum mesela. Elbet Turkish delight denecek ama lokum da yazilacak. Adamlar bizim fonetik uzerinden ingilizce yaziyorlar zaten. Yani simdi kofte'ye sadece meatball yazsak olur mu?

Su kirmizi mavi meselesine gelince o isin teknik kismi, diger article'lara referans mavilerle otomatik olarak veriliyor zaten. Dikkat ederseniz diger cuisine article'larinda da hep boyle. Illa renkli yazimin arkasinda bir article olmasi gerekmiyor.

Sometimes repetition turns out to be inevitable. I think it is necessary/better to explain specialities by setting out their similarities to and differences from other dishes and by making references to other titles. Dolma for instance. Ok there is a part dedicated to dolma but it should be mentionned in the vegetarian dishes part as well. Aside from that if the aim is to provide information, repetition strengthens the infrastructure. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Z y (talk • contribs) 09:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC).--Z y 09:46, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish Cuisine

I sincerely do not agree that coloring the names of the specialities harms readibility. On the contrary, if we transform it into a paper without any difference in presentation (plain black), it would be less interesting from readers' perspective. Cause most of the time you pick the words and then read it.

Aksini dusunsem sizinle yazisma zahmetine girmezdim. Size de kolay gelsin. Iyi gunler.--Z y 12:46, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Bugun "must" ile konustuk bir template hazirlamak istiyorlar Turkish cuisine ile ilgili bakalim. Boylece diger ilgili article'larda dogrudan atif verilebilecek sayfanin altinda. Ama basliklar ve altbasliklari iyi oturtmak lazim. Siz de fikirlerinizi soyleyin.--Z y 19:37, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


        Valla sustainability cok onemli..

[edit] Yaylag

Thanks for removing the categories from my Talk page, but I placed back the List of Turkish words category to the Yaylag page, since there is no Turkic words category, while yaylag definitely belongs to Turkish as well as to all Turkic languages. Plus many in West, and even Turkey, don't differentiate between Turkic vs. Turk, even calling Kirgiz, Uzbek, Kazakh as "Turk lehcesi", or Turkish dialect, as opposed to language. That's why I find that it's appropriate to have that category there. Wisconsin96 23:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, I nominated the article for Did you know?, hopefully it will be featured. Please keep an eye the article too. Wisconsin96 23:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Türk mutfağı

Şablonlar için fikirlerinizi iletin.Karşı çıkma konusunu yeri gelince düşünelim diyorum.Selam.Must.T C 10:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

  • İki yeni şablon önerime bakarmısınız;
    • 1-User:Mustafa_Akalp/tempnav/cuisine
    • 2-User:Mustafa_Akalp/tempnav/cuisine2

Must.T C 14:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

    • Teplate in wikipedia now;

Template:Turkish_cuisine

I tried to add your offers in. Needs to organizing, some further formatting, adding categories etc.I will be here for further ideas,offers.Regards.Must.T C 13:13, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turkey

user Hah Sayfada 4RR yaptı. raporlayabilirmisin.Acilen çıkmam gerek.Sağol.Must.T C 17:41, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] bulgaro-huns

I decided to discuss this first. Look at the bulgars article. Bulgars were swept by the huns, but nevertheless remained bulgars. Sorry for the revert - I even found a source for your version myself :) --Laveol 13:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

One truth worth more than a thousand lies. You cant generalise Origin based on no evidence and foulthy information. The subject of the Ethnic Origin of the Bulgars is been controversial for many years now. However there are several different theories , and none of them have been proven definitive. Some claim that they are of Turkic Origin ,which arose doubts and controversies, since there is no objective evidence to support it. Other Historians lately claim that Bulgars are of Iranian descent, based on resent archeological research and facts. --ortis12 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ortis12 (talk • contribs) 17:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kımız

Kumis sayfasını Kımız sayfasına nasıl taşırız?Must.T C 16:56, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Şablon;Turkish cuisine

Şablonu yeniden düzenliyorum. Yeni hali; Tarhana , Kebab, Cağ kebab sayfalarında var. Yeni hali ile; şablonun bulunduğu sayfa hangi guruba aitse o guruptaki diğer maddeler gösteriliyor.Yani; Kebab sayfasında; turkish kebabs alt şablonu, Tarhana sayfasında ise Turkish soups alt şablonu açılıyor.Görüşler??Must.T C 14:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Türk mutfağı

Selam,

  • Şablona tekrar bakarmısın.;
{{Turkish cuisine}}
  • Türk mutfağı ile ilgili çok fazla redlink var, bu maddeler için (en azından stub seviyesinde yaratmak için) yardım gerekiyor.
  • Şablon, otomatik olarak ""List of Turkish cuisine X"" sayfalarına link veriyor. Bunlardan iki tanesini başlattım.Diğerleri ilgi bekliyor.
  • Varolan maddelerin(bulabildiğim) tümüne şablon eklendi. Kontrol etmelte yarar var.

Selam.Kolay gelsin. Must.T C 07:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Desserts

Bu sayfaya Turkish desserts'i nasil ekleyebiliriz? "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Desserts_by_country"


Cok guzel. Tesekkurler...--Z yTalk 21:10, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bulgarian Origin

One truth worth more than a thousand lies! You cant generalise Origin based on no evidence and foulthy information. The subject of the Ethnic Origin of the Bulgars is been controversial for many years now. However there are several different theories , and none of them have been proven definitive. Some claim that they are of Turkic Origin ,which arose doubts and controversies, since there is no objective evidence to support it. Other Historians lately claim that Bulgars are of Iranian descent, based on resent archeological research and facts. You can revert my posts or block me, but cant BLOCK the Truth!!! --ortis12 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ortis12 (talk • contribs) 17:41, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

Hi Chapultepec, please see my reply on my my talk. thank you. Samsam22 21:39, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shajar al-Durr

Hi Chapultepec, Please see what I wrote you on my talk. thanx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samsam22 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Seventh Crusade

Hi Chapultepec. Thank you for correcting. Please read my notice in Talk:Seventh Crusade. I think this article needs correction. Thanks Samsam22 21:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soru

Selam. Yine ben. Yunan Mutfagi sayfasina su sacmalik konmus ve ben bir turlu kaldiramiyorum? Bugun en son boyle uyarilar falan geldi, yok senin edit'lerini bloke ettiricez falan diye. Ne kadar dogrudur bu? Anlatmaya calistim ama olmadi. Ben de surekli siliyordum. Devam edeyim mi?

Such Turkish staples as kebabs, stuffed vine leaves and stuffed vegetables were Byzantine staples. Börek, halva and baklava are well-attested in Byzantine and classical texts. The arts of baking and viniculture were also unknown to the Turks when they arrived in Anatolia and the latter remained a Christian prerogative at least as late as the sixteenth century. The food of the ordinary people of Byzantium was very similar to that of today's Anatolian peasantry -bread, beans, lentils, olives and olive oil, vegetables fruit and dairy products.

Bir sey yapamaz miyiz? --Z yTalk 17:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Tesekkurler...--Z yTalk 20:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hotels in London

Hi, sorry i had a brain fade moment and wasn't sure whether you were saying the list should be deleted or not! Tx for clarifying Thundernlightning 09:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hotels in Istanbul

Selamlar :) maddeyi (Istanbul'daki hoteller) silmekten kurtardigin icin cok tesekkürler :) maalesef tartismaya katilamadim internet baglantim haftalarca kopmustu :) actigin yeni metin daha da güzel olmus benim actigim ilk madde sadece bir listeydi ama simdi tam bir madde olmus :) her hangi bir katkida bulunabilirsem haberim olsun... ben daha cok alman vikipedisine katildigim icin buraya fazla bakmazdim:) selamlar --Azec 18:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] al-Said Barakah

Hi Chapultepec , I added a new article about Sultan al-Said Barakah. Please visit and read discussion. Regards. Samsam22 (talk) 23:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Chapultepec, please can you go to page al-said Barakah and connect link of Golden Horde . I tried but it still not link. Thanx Samsam22 (talk) 20:52, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Chapultepec, I see you are editing . Thank you. If you like you can also add birth/deah date of al-said born 1260 died 1279. thank you Samsam22 (talk) 21:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Good Job. By the way what do you think to wait with this sentence "who would take the Mamluk throne after the reign of his brother Salamish." till the article ready as this will be confusing and anyway will be mentioned later.Samsam22 (talk) 22:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I think now we can start with a new paragraph. Baibars will die and Barakah becomes a sultan. You think we go on or make a new title ? If you have a title you can put and I will start with it tomorrow.Samsam22 (talk) 23:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, very good. Thank you. Tomorrow we do the rest Samsam22 (talk) 23:28, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Chapultepec, I added new things, look and see whether something need change. It is slow but info scattered over so many resources.:) Samsam22 (talk) 20:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Chapultepec,the article almost ready . read and see what needs change. u can cut to subs. tomorrow I add last part. thnx Samsam22 (talk) 03:59, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for editing. I think we can finish it today. Salamish was 7 years old and no big story about him. Shall we add him on page of Barakah and link his name to Barakah page or we make a s mall article about him on own page ? Samsam22 (talk) 17:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok it is ready. you can adjust it. Good job. Thank you very much. Samsam22 (talk) 18:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi , We started a new article about Solamish ( name is Solamish not Salamish ) Isa Alcala created the article I will add more later. but no much to be said about this young Sultan. Regards Samsam22 (talk) 03:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello Chapultepec, I finished the article of Solamish. Please see whether you like to edit or organise article. Read also the discussion because I added some info about the name. Regards Samsam22 (talk) 21:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC) Thank you. I added something to discussion. Regards Samsam22 (talk) 22:44, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] yörük maddesine kaynak.Keşke şu ingilizce maddeyi çevrebilsek ve Kailar, Ottoman diye madde oluşturabilsek.

Bir de yörük maddesinde sorunumuz var. İlgili maddenin Kailar Yörüks bölümüne geçenlerde isimsiz bir kullanıcı fact etiketleri ekledi. Maddede bu bölümle ilgili bir kaynak bulamadığım için ilgili bölüme bir referans ekleyemedim. Sanırım bu konuda sizin bilginiz fazla. Eğer bildiğiniz bir kaynak varsa ilgili bölüme iliştirebilir misiniz? Eğer isterseniz benimle kendi sayfamdan bağlantıya geçebilirsiniz. Teşekkürler. --Chapultepec (talk) 01:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Beyefendi yakın ilginize çok teşekkür ederim. Geç vevap yazdığım içinözür dilerim. Bu konuda bu bilgilerin tamımına yakını Osmanlı ve Bizans arşivlerinde mevcuttur. Hatta Türklerden ilk müslüman olanların Rumeliye yerleştirilmesi olayıda ilginçtir. Yörük maddesine ilişkin bazı kaynak bilgileri aşağıdadır:The 1911 Edition of Encyclopaedia Britannica about Yuruks, Kailars and Konariotes

see link {{cquote2| The first Turkish immigration from Asia Minor took place under the Byzantine emperors before the conquest of the country. The first purely Turkish town, Yenije-Vardar, was founded on the ruins of Vardar in 1362. After the capture of Salonica (1430), a strong Turkish population was settled in the city, and similar colonies were founded in Monastir, Ochrida, Serres, Drama and other important places. In many of these towns half or more of the population is still Turkish. A series of military colonies were subsequently established at various points of strategic importance along the principal lines of communication. Before 1360 large numbers of nomad shepherds, or Yuruks, from the district of Konia, in Asia Minor, had settled in the country; their descendants are still known as Konariotes. Further immigration from this region took place from time to time up to the middle of the 18th century.

After the establishment of the feudal system in 1397 many of the Seljuk noble families came over from Asia Minor; their descendants may be recognized among the beys or Moslem landowners in southern Macedonia .

At the beginning of the 18th century the Turkish population was very considerable, but since that time it has continuously decreased. A low birth rate, the exhaustion of the male population by military service, and great mortality from epidemics, against which Moslem fatalism takes no pre-cautions, have brought about a decline which has latterly been hastened by emigration

The Turkish rural population is found in three principal groups:

  • the most easterly extends from the Mesta to Drama, Pravishta and Orfano, reaching the sea-coast on either side of Kavala, which is partly Turkish, partly Greek.
  • The second, or central group begins on the sea-coast, a little west of the mouth of the Strymon, where a Greek population intervenes, and extends to the north-west along the Kara-Dagh and Belasitza ranges in the direction of Strumnitza, Veles, Shtip and Radovisht.
  • The third, or southern, group is centred around KAILAR, an entirely Turkish town, and extends from Lake Ostrovo to Selfije (Servia). The second and third groups are mainly composed of Konariot shepherds. Besides these fairly compact settlements there are numerous isolated Turkish colonies in various parts of the country. THE TURKISH RURAL POPULATION IS quiet, SOBER and ORDERLY, PRESENTING SOME OF THE BEST CHARACTERISRICS OF THE RACE .

See link:1911 encyclopedia.org

The Byzantines retained the southern regions and Salonica, which temporarily fell into the hands of the Saracens in 904. With the exception of the 1 Also Alexander, Perdiccas, Philip, &c. maritime districts, the whole of Macedonia formed a portion of the empire of the Bulgarian tsar Simeon (893-927); the Bulgarian power declined after his death, but was revived in western Macedonia under the Shishman dynasty at Ochrida; Tsar Samuel (976-1014), the third ruler of that family, included in his dominions Uskiib, Veles, Vodena and Melnik. After his defeat by the emperor Basil II. in 1014 Greek domination was established for a century and a half. The Byzantine emperors endeavoured to confirm their positions by Asiatic colonization; Turkish immigrants, afterwards known as Vardariotes, the first of their race who appeared in Macedonia, were settled in the neighbourhood of Salonica in the 9th century; colonies of Uzes, Petchenegs and Kumans were introduced at various periods from the 11th to the 13th century. While Greeks and Bulgarians disputed the mastery of Macedonia the Vlachs, in the 10th century, established an independent state in the Pindus region, which, afterwards known as Great Walachia, continued to exist till the beginning of the 14th century. In 1185 southern Macedonia was exposed to a raid of the Normans under William of Sicily, who captured Salonica and massacred its inhabitants. After the taking of Constantinople in 1204 by the Franks of the fourth crusade, the Latin empire of Romania was formed and the feudal kingdom of Thessalonica was bestowed on Boniface, marquis of Montferrat; this was overthrown in 1222 by Theodore, despot of Epirus, a descendant of the imperial house of the Comneni, who styled himself emperor of Thessalonica and for some years ruled over all Macedonia. He was defeated and captured by the Bulgarians in 1230 and the remnant of his possessions, to which his son John succeeded, was absorbed in the empire of Nicaea in 1234. Bulgarian rule was now once more established in Macedonia under the powerful monarch Ivan Asen II. (1218-1241) whose dynasty, of Vlach origin, had been founded at Trnovo in 1186 after a revolt of the Vlachs and Bulgars against the Greeks. A period of decadence followed the extinction of the Asen dynasty in 1257; the Bulgarian power was overthrown by the Servians at Velbuzhd (1330), and Macedonia was included in the realm of the great Servian tsar Dushan (1331-1355) who fixed his capital at Uskiib. Dushan's empire fell to pieces after his death, and the anarchy which followed prepared the way for the advance of the Turks, to whom not only contending factions at Constantinople but Servian and Bulgarian princes alike made overtures.

Macedonia and Thrace were soon desolated by Turkish raids; when it was too late the Slavonic states combined against the invaders, but their forces, under the Servian tsar Lazar, were routed at Kossovo in 1389 by the sultan Murad I. Salonica and Larissa were captured in 1395 by Murad's son Bayezid, whose victory over Sigismund of Hungary at Nicopolis in 1396 sealed the fate of the peninsula. The towns in the Struma valley were yielded to the Turks by John VII. Palaeologus in 1424; Salonica was taken for the last time in 1428 by Murad II |[4] -- 3210  (T) 19:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Baklava

Hello Chapultepec, First of all, great pictures on your user page, but regarding your arbitrary control over the Baklava page: Yes, Baklava is currently popular in modern countries once belonging to the Ottoman Empire, but this generalization does not include countries such as Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, and India -- all of which were Persianates (heavily influenced by Persian culture to the point of virtual assimilation) or were ruled by a Persian Dynasty at one point in time. The Qajar Dynasty of Persia popularized Baklava within its domain as well as in many of these countries. In order to validate this fact, it is necessary to mention it along with the Ottoman Empire. I understand your nationalistic desire to put Turkey's name on Baklava, but frankly it's not native to the country of Turkey. You have be fair to other countries,

thank you, Bagrationi

[edit] Talk:Seventh Crusade

Hi Chapultepec, I added something for you on Talk:Seventh Crusade. Regards Samsam22 (talk) 01:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Names

Hi again Chapultepec , what do you think about writing names ? Adam has an opinion. You can see it in my talk. Regards. Samsam22 (talk) 22:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lajin

Hi Chapultepec , I finished article of Lajin maybe you like to read and edit. Regards Samsam22 (talk) 20:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Saif ad-Din Abu-Bakr

Hi Chapultepec, I started an article about Sultan Saif ad-Din Abu-Bakr please visit discussion page and the following page : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Saif_ad-Din_Abu-Bakr

Thank you. Samsam22 (talk) 02:38, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


  • Hi Chapultepec, the article of Saif ad-Din Abu-Bakr is as good as ready. Thank you for editing. But we have a little problem. If you look in article of Aybak you will see below in the succession box that Al-Mansur Ali is red and not linked. The same is in page of Saif ad-Din Abu-Bakr the name Kujuk in the succession box also not linked. the two sultans were not very significant and thus there is no much to say about them. In itself this is not a real problem. But there are people here who as soon as I start an article jump in and try to delete it with the excuse that the Sultan was not important and therefore does not deserve an article. But this makes it hard to link the articles of the Mamluks sultans as some names in the succession box remain red and thus reader can not follow. What do you think ? Is here someone we can talk with about ? so that we can add the two sultans with little info but with succession box so that the circle is complete. Please let me know about your opinion. Thank you and regards. Samsam22 (talk) 17:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kujuk

  • Hi Chapultepec, Kujuk article is as good as ready. If you like Please read and edit. Regards Samsam22 (talk) 22:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shihab ad-Din Ahmad

Hi Chapultepec, Shihab ad-Din Ahmad article is as good as ready. If you like, please read and edit. Tamam. Thank you and regards Samsam22 (talk) 21:09, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Kızılören

No. That was my mistake. The space was unnecessay. I self-reverted. Thanks. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 14:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Baraba language

Yeah, I self-reverted. BTW, you are doing a good clean up job. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 17:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Baibars

Hi Chapultepec , How are you. I am not very busy with adding new info on Wikipedia at the moment but I saw someone tried to change something in article of Baibars but you saw it. gj. I added ref. with pages about that point so maybe it helps. Regards. Samsam22 (talk) 03:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Aybak

Hi Chapultepec , Thank you for fixing things in article of Aybak. As you noticed I added some info and ref. and number of pages . I think it is ready now. Please, if you like, see whether you like to add or change something. I will start with fixing article of Shajar Adurr which is full of mistakes . :) Regards. Samsam22 (talk) 23:01, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shajar al-Durr

Thanx Chapultepec. Look now whether you like. I will go on with fixing this article and add ref. Tamam. Regards Samsam22 (talk) 17:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanx again Chapultepec. I arrived to the part of the death of as-Salih. When I am ready I will of course tell you so you edit. when ready you should send me nice Turkish baklava :) Samsam22 (talk) 18:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dumlupınar (disambiguation)

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[edit] selamlar

sayfalara resim koymak icin yardiminizi rica ediyorum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Masumisyan (talk • contribs) 19:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Images and maps

Hi Chapultepec, I added some images and maps in some articles. Regards Samsam22 (talk) 22:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Khalil

Yes right I saw the article. I think we have to fix it and add ref as Khalil was an important sultan. I will start fix tomorrow and if you like you can adjust. I did not go further with writing new articles till we fixed old ones. Tamam Thanx Samsam22 (talk) 02:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Hi Chapultepec, Ok I checked sources. But I have difficulty with two points 1)

conflict Turkish Mamluks with Circassians and 2) conflict because of Ibn al-Salus. No source mentioned that. The rest can go though need to modify and add info. Tamam . Let me know what do you think. Samsam22 (talk) 20:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Hi , I did not finish the Khalil's article yet but I arrived to the case of Alexander and changed to : " ...by Khalil who was described on some of his monuments as Alexander.[49]". On the article of the Siege of Acre (1291) actually not much said about the Conquere of Acre. Maybe we can later copy/past the part from Khalil article. I also made a map ( lol ) for Acre 1291. anyway, Tamam. Regards Samsam22 (talk) 23:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Hi Chapultepec, I think the article of Al-Ashraf finished. See if you like to adjust something. Regards Samsam22 (talk) 05:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Thank you for compliment and help :). Regards Samsam22 (talk) 20:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Hi Chapultepec, Thank you for offering to send the Baklavas by e-mail. I think the article of Shajar al-Durr is as good as ready. you can start editing if you like. Later I will add more to the impact :) regards Samsam22 (talk) 19:47, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

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Why do you remove the Bulgarian name??? The Cumans played important role in Bulgaria as co-founders of several dynasties and as participated in the Bulgarian army. Restore it. --Gligan (talk) 19:11, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

What kind of reference? Usually there are no references for the names in different languages. --Gligan (talk) 19:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

The other names beside it have references for example, that kind of reference will work. --Chapultepec (talk) 19:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

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