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Contents 1 Old Stuff 1.1 Greatings and Conversations 1.2 Muffin tops 1.2.1 The problem was 1.3 Pauline Robinson and Aleister Crowley 1.4 Pauline Robinson 1.5 AfD nomination of Pauline Robinson 1.6 Proposal to move State of Kanawha article to a new title 1.7 Proposal to move State of Franklin article to a new title 1.8 Proposal to move State of Sequoyah article to a new title 1.9 Proposal to move State of Deseret article to a new title 2 New Stuff 2.1 References > Citing sources 2.2 Being able to see the history of a section within a large article

[edit] Old Stuff

[edit] Greatings and Conversations

[edit] Muffin tops

(The following message was written to my IP address)--Champaign 05:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Muffin tops, are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thanks. Konstable 04:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

The following was posted on this user's talk page.--Champaign 05:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Please do *not* send me messages calling my genuine attempts to improve an article vandalism. I found the 'See also' in the "Muffin Tops" article quite informative and largely relavant to the topic. In fact, I am going to ask for a reversion and leave it to consensus. Next time, you see something I edited and don't like it, change it, revert it, whatever, but DO NOT accuse me of vandalism unless it is something that blatantly fits the definition of vandalism. Thank you.

--Champaign

PS I was reading article at the time, and did not consider it necessary to log in for a small edit. That it why my IP address is there. But even *that* should not make *any difference anyway.

(replied on your talk page - article reverted, warning removed).--Konstable 05:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for that, reverted the article.--Konstable 05:27, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I just removed a little hidden comment from the warning from this page - it is used by some automated tools to detect warnings (i.e. so you don't show up as having a vandalism warning).--Konstable 05:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

All right then. So then are many of these vandalism warnings sent out automatically by programs then? Is that really fair? Or is there just so much vandalism that no human can actually keep up? Do you think I would be better off logging in before editing, even for small edits? BTW, sorry for my end of the misunderstanding. -- Champaign 05:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The problem was

The reason I reverted the edit is because it came up in a filter of some common vandal terms - "Cleavage". Most of the time what pops up into the filter is ok, but a lot of other times it is vandalism - here I thought it was vandalism because it was a "Muffin top" page with a picture of cute a muffin and an anon user making "Cleavage" edits, and I didn't think much more of it. Mistakes like these happen every now and then but I wouldn't say they are frequent, so don't get too paranoid about trying to avoid them. The best thing to do to help others avoid them is to use edit summaries, and an account always helps too.--Konstable 05:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pauline Robinson and Aleister Crowley

This is the most outlandish speculation I have ever seen. And I'm not a big fan of Republicans, the Bushes, of either one of the Presidents Bush! But we have to stick to verifiable information here. I am also highly skeptical of a reference from a blog site that sites this same article as one of its own sources. Please make sure your information is at least on ground that is relatively firm before posting it on Wikipedia. Posted to Pauline Robinson by Champaign 19:17, 23 September 2006 (UTC). Posted to User_talk:Robschoen by Champaign 19:59, 23 September 2006 (UTC).

Sorry, I assumed my edit summary was self-explanatory. Your compromise revert is fine. I wonder if anyone is going to have sufficient interest to make it a well-sourced article? Simões (^talk/_contribs) 17:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pauline Robinson

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[edit] AfD nomination of Pauline Robinson

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[edit] Proposal to move State of Kanawha article to a new title

I think perhaps a new title be created and this article be moved to it. I was thinking something along the lines of Kanawha (Historic U.S. State) would be much clearer and less ambiguous than the current title which is vague and not accurate in the sense that there is no state known as Kanawha that currently exists. --Champaign 08:09, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal to move State of Franklin article to a new title

I think perhaps a new title be created and this article be moved to it. I was thinking something along the lines of Franklin (Historic U.S. State) would be much clearer and less ambiguous than the current title which is vague and not accurate in the sense that there is no state known as Franklin that currently exists. --Champaign 08:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal to move State of Sequoyah article to a new title

I think perhaps a new title be created and this article be moved to it. I was thinking something along the lines of Sequoyah (Historically Proposed U.S. State) would be much clearer and less ambiguous than the current title which is vague and not accurate in the sense that there is no state known as Sequoyah that currently exists. --Champaign 08:38, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal to move State of Deseret article to a new title

I think perhaps a new title be created and this article be moved to it. I was thinking something along the lines of Deseret (Historically Proposed U.S. State) would be much clearer and less ambiguous than the current title which is vague and not accurate in the sense that there is no state known as Deseret that currently exists. --Champaign 08:46, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Stuff

[edit] References > Citing sources

When you make additions, like you did to Harry S. Truman, please cite a source. See: Wikipedia:Citing sources. Thanks. ~ WikiDon (talk) 18:43, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I did not make additions, I just merely put two pieces of information that were already there into one (somewhat) easier to read sentence. (Or at least, this was my intention.) Your beef is actually with the people who put those original pieces of information into the article in the first place. --Champaign (talk) 18:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I have attempted to research who was/were responsible for putting the information on Anderson Truman's middle name and how it's spelled in the article on Harry S. Truman, but there are just too many entries to go through (I tried to sift through something like 2000 edit entries that chronologically preceded my own without noticing a single reference to the section on Truman's middle initial; it was just too overwhelming) without the ability to only see an article's history applicable to a section without seeing the history of the entire article. So, I gave up. But it appears that you fixed the problem in the article anyway. I have just sent the Wikipedia staff an email about the possible necessity of adding the ability to see a section's history. I'll let you know if I hear anything back. Thanks. --Champaign (talk) 19:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Being able to see the history of a section within a large article

(This was posted in the Village Pump. The Village Pump postings on this subject are being reposted here. -Champaign (talk) 22:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC))

The other day, I had a need to see the history of a small section of a large article I was working on. So, my only recourse was to view the history of the entire article. I must have looked at over 2000 entries of edits and not one of them referred to the section I was working on. It was just too overwheming, so I just gave up. Anyway, if there were an ability to view the history pertaining only to a section of an article, the information I needed would have been much easier to acquire. Just a thought. Thanks. --Champaign (talk) 22:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

This is not possible, I think, because the software doesn't record where in the article you make an edit. – Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 23:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

There are so many times I have wanted this feature, it would really come in handy. --→ Ãlways Ãhëad (talk) 01:31, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Completely agree. Therequiembellishere (talk) 02:28, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Articles will be stored as one file, not a group of sections, so this would be impossible. It would be very problematic to change this, e.g. renaming a section would be much more difficult. It would have some advantages, e.g. being able to watch a given section only, or view its history, but it's not likely to happen. Richard001 (talk) 02:34, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

This is something that currently can only be done with external tools and only works as long as the section isn't renamed. --Samuel Pepys (talk) 02:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

And as long as only one section is edited at a time. – Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 03:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Not sure what you really want to achieve, but this tool is sometimes helpful if you want to identify who did what change. I know this is not at all what you where asking for, but maybe what you needed. :-) --Stefan ^talk 11:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)