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Contents 1 Hey! 2 Simele massacre 3 Simele massacre 4 Reply 5 New article 6 List of Assyrians 7 Assyrians 8 Move 9 Project 10 Assyrian-related templates 11 Ashurbanipal 12 Font size 13 Yeah but... 14 Munir Bashir 15 Hey 16 Wikipedia:WikiProject Caucasia 17 Syriac 18 Adminship 19 years under control 20 Assyrian Origins 21 Shlama l'oukh 22 So you are an atoraya 23 Dyk 24 Good Article Reviews 25 Refugees of Iraq 26 Questions answered 27 ? 28 Simele 29 CAnkawa images 30 Aramaic Wiktionary 31 Welcome! 32 WikiProject Greece Newsletter - Issue V (I) - January 2007 33 Your attempts to get me banned will not work, anyways... 34 Naum Faiq 35 Fwd.:That was not a silly edit 36 Discloses 37 Re: 38 Unspecified source for Image:Assyrianareaasnewseek.png 39 Claudia Hanna

[edit] Hey!

Stop vandalizing pages Chaldean, that's a warning! ;-) Khoikhoi 09:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Ummmm, why? :-) Why not young Chaldean ladies? Khoikhoi 05:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Simele massacre

Hey just wondering can you submit this to Did you know? Nareklm 00:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Right here Template talk:Did you know and you scroll down put it one of the appropriate dates like for example "... that 3,000 Assyrians were massacred in 19..."" blah blah this is very interesting i have never heard of this hopefully it can educate others. Nareklm 00:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Ill put it. Nareklm 01:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Its only a limited time we'll be lucky if they even select it but its very good and everything seems fine nicely finished with references but you can still add stuff. Nareklm 01:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem :-) Nareklm 05:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Simele massacre

It got nominated! :-) Nareklm 12:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

Hello. I am sorry that I couldn't get back earlier, I had completely forgot about your post. I will try to do the translation later tonight and post it to your talk page. As for the other dispute :) Well, if I can find the time, I will actually try to copyedit it myself. Hopefully that won't be a problem. There is nothing personal that I have with a2rya07 :) Cheers! Baristarim 17:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New article

Hey man, check out this article: Arameans in the Netherlands. Do you think it should be merged with Assyrians in the Netherlands? Khoikhoi 02:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps we should merge both articles into a single page then? Khoikhoi 06:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Syriac Christians in the Netherlands? :-) Khoikhoi 06:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I actually am too lazy to do it, that's why I contacted you! Khoikhoi 06:12, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

BTW, it was cool seeing Simele massacre on the main page today—you might consider doing that more often. Khoikhoi 06:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

50% is a large part. Anyways, maybe Garzo or someone else has suggestions. While we're at it, what do you think of Chaldean immigration to the United States? Khoikhoi 06:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I see what you're saying. Well, I guess there's only one man that can help me now... ;-) Khoikhoi 06:23, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Assyrians

Hmmm, have you tried making a request for mediation? What is the specific problem this time? Khoikhoi 05:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assyrians

I uploaded this if you need it for anything on the project or ancient periods a illustration of a book cover. Nareklm 04:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem i was shocked that how little information wikipedia has on Assyrians especially battles when Assyrians are really notable in history. I'm not too sure maybe when the moment comes? or maybe ill create a userbox soon and put it. Nareklm 04:04, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I added to the project :)

This user is interested in Assyrian history.

Nareklm 04:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :-D Nareklm 04:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I would but im afraid ill start an edit war because many Turks and Armenians watch those articles and some will take it as a insult so ill see what i can do. Nareklm 07:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move

I am sorry but I had to revert your WP name move. I left a note at the talk page of the WP. WPs have to be discussed at WP Proposals page and approved by comptent administrators/bureaucrats. Thanks Baristarim 20:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, I am fixing all the relevant articles and templates.. Still, what I jsut said holds true - you should refrain from such moves and contact the person in charge of WP approvals, and maybe ask a review. I will be reverting the name change. Please avoid such unilateral name changes... Baristarim 20:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry.. But I do not have a bad intent. Listen, the WP is about Assyrian people.. I will also become part of the WP if you want, I have no problems with that and I can help you along the way. But do not forget that another proposal for TRNC was rejected outright, along with many other similar proposals. There are generally no approvals for non-recognized states, let alone undefined and unofficial regions. Believe me, Assyrian people is better, neutral and simple. Assyria wouldn't most probably get approved - believe me. In the mean time, pls refrain from continuing to proceed with the unilateral name change. Thanks Baristarim 20:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I knew that you didn't :)) Assyrian issues are generally left alone, and maybe it is because there is so little known about it. It is the same reason Assyrian genocide page has been away from controversy or edit-wars :) Ok, I will stop for a while and revert myself.. However, please sort that issue out. Listen, I don't mean it in a bad way or anything, so please don't get offended, ok? I can help out with articles if you would like along the way. But please consider what I said about Assyrian people being better for the project title. I know that there is some politics to be considered :)

And don't worry for the template and category organization. I can fix them either way, no worries - I can find the time. I won't just drop them in a mess.

But, please think about the naming issue.. Cheers! Baristarim 20:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

One last note.. Look, I knew that WP wasn't approved.. In fact, I got suspicious when I first saw it - The WP creation process is very hard - did you know that WikiProject France was created only ten days ago? :) Projects like WikiProject Italy and WikiProject Greece are nearly dead. For a WP to get approved, there has to be sufficient real interest and all political issues have to be dealt with..

Believe me, I am not trying to be a prick, in fact, since I already knew that it wasn't approved, I reverted the name change so that it can continue its existence having stayed out of controversy. With Assyria, that would be different. I didn't want all your efforts to go down the drain for no reason, since I knew you made some real good faith effort there.

Nevertheless, all those issues have to be sorted out. In fact, I considered telling you this some time ago, but I didn't since I was afraid that you would take it the wrong way. But I noticed that the WPAP tags have been going to talk pages, things are a bit different since it is suddenly coming out into the real world, so to speak :) So, just sort them out. I just think that Assyrian people would be better. Baristarim 20:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry.. The issue is not what happens at the beginning of the project as much as what happens after, if there are any edit-wars et al. I don't think that it will get shot down actually. The thing is, there is no disapproval so to speak. What happens is that the project can slowly become inactive, or become subject to template-wars, which can lead to the WP's purpose to be questioned. The project will most probably be there, don't worry about it!

But I will fix all the relevant links with the templates and categories, no worries.

Hmm... I hadn't taken a look for a long time at the WP directory, and it seems that there is a WP Ossetia. Interesting. I don't know, maybe WPs are not reviewed any more. In any case, what's wrong with Assyrian people? It is more global. :) Baristarim 20:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, unfortunately I have to go out now, but I will get back as soon as I can. Shlama! Baristarim 21:04, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Project

Hello there. I do not have much experience with wiki and because of that not never been part of a project. I see no Assyrian kings on the article to do list, so which ones exactly should be modified? Djaser 21:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assyrian-related templates

Hi Chaldean,
Sorry you weren't keen on the alternative {{Syriac Christianity}} format; would you mind, though, if I replaced the vertical-line separators ("|") with dots ({{·}})...?  They're more effective on the two different screens I have here (see {{·}}'s page for more).

It occurred to me that the {{Assyrian tribes}} and {{Assyrian communities}} templates could be merged, i.e. something like:

v • d • e Assyrian tribes and communities Eastern tribes  (Assyrian) Albaq · Barwar · Baz · Botan · Chal · Diz · Gawar · Jilu · Kasran · Minianish · Nochiya · Qochanis · Salamas · Taimar · Tkhuma · Upper Tyari · Lower Tyari · Urmia · Walto Southern tribes  (Chaldean) Alqosh · Ankawa · Araden · Bakhdida · Bartella · Batnaya · Karamles · Tel Keppe · Tel Skuf · Zakho Homeland Iraq · Iran · Syria · Turkey Diaspora Armenia · Canada · Georgia · Germany · Netherlands · Sweden · United States

What do you think...?  Yours, David Kernow (talk) 05:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
PS Thanks for the recent Assyrian people corrections.

David, I apologize for not consulting you before rving yoru edit to the template. The "dots" replacing the "l" is not a problem at all (go ahead and do it.)...

Don't worry; I was bold in transforming it!  Have now replaced the vertical-lines. While doing so, I wondered how the template would look with larger images:

Syriac Christianity ܣܘܪܝܝܐ
	Self-appellations Aramaeans · Assyrians · Chaldeans · Syriacs · Maronites Aramaic languages - Syriac Assyrian Neo-Aramaic · Bohtan Neo-Aramaic · Chaldean Neo-Aramaic · Hértevin · Koy Sanjaq Surat · Garshuni · Mlahsö · Senaya · Turoyo Churches Ancient Church of the East · Assyrian Church of the East · Chaldean Catholic · Maronite Church · Syriac Catholic · Syriac Orthodox

What do you think...?

...I was looking to delete the assyrain tribes template, because it serves no perpose at all. The links in the template are going to the actual villages and non of the links have their own pages in terms of talking about the tribe. And it doesn't make sense either, because their are 100 different Assyrian tribes.

I can quite easily remove the Assyrian tribes template from the articles including it (without deleting the template itself; I guess that should go via WP:TfD with your rationale above). Would you like me to do so...?

Yours, David (talk) 12:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

David, the syriac christianity template looks great now! Very well done. As for the tribe one, yes go ahead, and remove it. Chaldean 15:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Glad you liked it!  A moment ago, though, I belatedly went to update the template and see it now features only one image and a (large) gap where the other had been; this looks slightly odd here. However, is this what you prefer...?  Filling the gap with text would be straightforward, but the template would no longer be centered in the way you described above...  Yours,
you've already done so; sorry not to've reached it earlier. Something strange, though, is occurring here when the template is displayed; the Velázquez Christo image isn't shown (leaving a gap on the left-hand side) and Wikipedia reports that it doesn't exist, although I'm still able to locate it as a separate image!  I think some fault may've developed as it uses "á" in its name, although this should pose no difficulty... Do you also see it missing now...?  Puzzled, David (talk) 04:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

PS About to decommission the tribes template.

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ok David, I will go back to the other way, stretching the words. Cheers. Chaldean 04:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

David, why don't you fix it? :) I can't seem to get it right. Chaldean 04:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

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Sorry about changing my previous message as soon as I'd sent it; it was only then I thought there might be something odd occurring. There's still a problem here, but I'm pretty sure now it's something involving Wikipedia, not our editing. If you too now don't see the Velázquez Christo, I suggest we do nothing for a while to see if the problem is temporary. Yours, David (talk) 05:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ashurbanipal

Hi there again. I see you uploaded a picture of a statue of Ashurbanipal. The origin of that statue bothers me because I've never seen a statue of that king but this one reminds me a lot of one Ashur-nasir-pal II. I suspect it to be mistaken with that one. Do you have any more information about it? Thanks in advance. Djaser 20:41, 17 January 2007

I wouldn't go so far calling myself an expert; after all I'm only first year. However one of the advantages of my study is that I have access to almost all relevant sources to Middle East. I used that advantage to look for a statue of Ashurbanipal and I can't find anything. So it might be better to move this picture to article of Ashurnassirpal until someone proves that this statue is Ashurbanipal. Oh, no need to put me on the list anymore. Best Regards. 17:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC) (UTC)

[edit] Font size

Dear Chaldean, Your request at Baristarim talk page, is done please check your link. Regards. Must^TC 12:31, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yeah but...

Hey Chaldean, I thought about your Hrank Dink in the news idea too but who do I actually contact? Thanks! Fedayee 19:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Nvm done.. Fedayee 19:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Man this is sad im disappointed, he was a well respected man yeah it is hot its on cnn, bbc, etc. Nareklm 20:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey man i added an image here Assyrian levies ill add more info maybe later even add it to DYK :-) Nareklm 05:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm looks pretty nice ill help out from the side add references if needed not too sure on that subject though but ill help. Nareklm 05:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey i submitted Assyrian levies to DYK and your article just in case if they pick it more chances :-D Nareklm 06:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Munir Bashir

Hey khon, I tried to add Munir Bashir's name in Sureth, but the left-to-right alignment was causing problems for some reason. I kept trying to fix it, but it would always show up as "Arabic: منير بشير‎, Syriac: 1930) (ܡܢܝܪ ܒܫܝܪ [?] – September 28, 1997)" or switching his name with "1930". It was giving me a headache and turning me into an assabi, khon :). Anyway, I've given you the name so see if you have better luck with it. --334 21:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

Can you please keep an eye on Kurdish people? Thanks, Khoikhoi 01:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Administrators#Reverting. I think there's also a script that can do it too, I can show you how to use it if you want. Khoikhoi 03:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

No, it *is* a button. Check your email. :-) Khoikhoi 04:13, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Caucasia

Hey man is it okay if i use blue? im not sure how to change it though on Wikipedia:WikiProject Caucasia thanks. Nareklm 04:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks man :-)! Nareklm 04:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

This is my first nomination on a good article but it looks very nice i added some text from other articles to add references i think those are the only problems lets hope it will! :-) Nareklm 05:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah there pretty tough i would suggest just copy edit from other articles that have references thats what im doing now so it would work lets see the article looks real nice though. Nareklm 05:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Syriac

Hi Chaldean, I added what I think is the correct Syriac script of Marmarita. Since you might be a speaker, could you please have a look and see if it is right? :) ← ANAS ^Talk? 15:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Do you happen to know which Syriac letter corresponds with 'th'? Perhaps the Syriac alphabet article could proof helpful to you. ← ANAS ^Talk? 11:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

Hey,

I recommend you be an admin in arc.wikipedia. With your experience in the english wikipedia, I believe you will be alot of help for the Aramaic one. As for your question (sorry for the late response), this guy, who happens to be turkish, has been flagging all Turkey Assyrian related articles as non-reliable and bias. --A2raya07 03:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC) by the way, if your interested in being an admin, just let me know, i can help you out

I'm with you on that too. You've done a lot.סרגון יוחנא 21:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] years under control

I see what you mean. I had to look it up this is what I found. Between Ashur-uballit I and Ninurta-apal-Ekur is a difference of 12 years. This is mainly caused by the last king, apparantly it’s not sure if he reigned 12 or 2 years. In conclusion; there is a convential and a low dating, both should be included. (according A.Kuhrt – The ancient near east) But if this is done the chronolgy of the old Assyrian period isn’t right anymore I can’t tell for sure how to fix that but from the books of my home but according to them there exists no reliable chronology for that period. I might pay my library a visit tomorrow and see what I can find. I’m not going to change the dates from the middle Assyrian kings right now but I’ll do so later, or you may do it that doesn’t matter to me. One last thing I need to add; M. van de Mieroop uses yet another Assyrian chronology in ‘A history of the Ancient near east’, I don’t know what to think of that one. Djaser 14:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I did some more research about the chronology of the first Assyrian Kings and this is what I found in a fairly recent study of Professor Veenhof. Check it out and compare:

Irišum     Kel1-40 40 jaar Ca. 1974-1935
Ikūnum  KEL 41-54       14      1934-1921
Šarrukin        Kel 55-94       40      1920-1881
Puzur-Aššur     Kel 95-102      8       1880-1873
Naram-Suen      Kel 103-129     27      1872-1846
Naram-Suen      Gap 1   4       1845-1842
Naram-Suen/Irišum       MEC B *1-*27    27      1845-1843
Irišum II       MEC B 28*-*34   6       1814-1808
Šamaši-Adad I   AKL (ekallatum) 3       1811-1809
Šamaši-Adad I   AKL (Aššur)     33      1808-1776

I'm not quite sure what to do with it.... Opinions? Djaser 12:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah Probably, Although the source I was refering to was from ca. 2003 and based on recent research. Well I guess I'd have to investigate more.... Djaser 15:09, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assyrian Origins

Hey Chaldean,

I was wondering if there are any credible sources that can verify that the first temple in Assur was in deed constructed 6756 years ago, or if this is a traditional date that has been accepted before our nationalistic movements of the 19th and 20th centuries. From my understanding, the oldest remains that have been recovered from the ancient city of Assur thus far date back to the 3rd millennium B.C. Throughout my childhood I have accepted the idea of Assur being over 6700 years old, but lately I have not been able to find any sources that can back it up - I find it to be very frustrating =P Any help would be great. Šarukinu 16:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the report, khoun. But it also states that the earliest remains date to the early 3rd millennium BC. I still have no idea where we get 6756 years from :( Šarukinu 19:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Yea, the only places I can find 4750BC are bible-history websites, but no archaeological reports. I'm guessing that this is based on tradition (which doesn't necessarily mean it's false)?Šarukinu 17:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shlama l'oukh

Manee-leh derya shikleh d'Araden b'article d'Wikipedia? Qim makhzina tla nashwathee ou m'beyeh-la. Koula qimla m'takhmoneh based yaldootheh-en gou Araden. Bayen yathin tla d'mshaderee khakma kheneh tla d'makhzina tla nasheh d'Araden an d'eela `yasha b'Detroit.סרגון יוחנא 19:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] So you are an atoraya

You must be really bad at debating if the only way you can win a discussion is to pretend you are from another race, you are an atoraya, not a kaldenaya, not wonder you believe that Chaldeans are Assyrians, but the fact that you pretend you are Chaldean just to force your opinion on others, and pretend that you are from the same people that you are denying the fact of their existense that is sinking to a very low level just to try to convince people, people who do this are a shame to their nation.124.184.236.221 00:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC) (User:Asm ccc)

wow, two Chaldeans think they are Assyrians doesnt mean that all Chaldeans do, your arguments are all meaningless cause they are based on someone who are behind their computers which from all i know could be Assyrian, or it could even be you. And please refute my arguments, thats if you are able to my friend. Dont call it child's play when you cant even play by the rules. And if your theory is so right, it wont be to hard to prove me wrong, would it??. And you provided me with People on your side, well ill provide you with people on my side, Chaldean_warrior, and Catalyst in Societyusername edited re username change Coppertwig (talk) 03:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC) they both support my theory. Please tell me now, if you consider yourself as an assyrian, why isnt your username assyrian something???. Why is it Chaldean, funny isnt it.

Asm ccc 11:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

The correct connotation of the term "Chaldean" refers to the Chaldean Catholic Church, of which, if I'm not mistaken, the user Chaldean is an adherent; it is a religious rite, not an ethnicity. Šarukinu 17:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

You can repeat the line over and over again and he still wont get it. He needs to go back to thte "Atra" (homeland) to get everything straight for himself. Chaldean 17:03, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

You're right, khoun. That wouldn't be such a bad idea for many of us... including myself! ;)Šarukinu 17:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

How many times have you actually gone back to Iraq, I actually fled Iraq in 1991, when i was currently studying in the university of Bagdad, since then i have visited northern Iraq twice, once in 1999, and in 2001, and i had a long talk with many citizens of several of the villages, including, Bagera, Dahuk, Araden, Mangesh, Mosul (town)(some few disagreed with me there but most agreed) and also Alqosh. Most of the people i talked to agreed with me, and some of them even believe that the Roman empire used all the Assyrian men to fight their wars and there was a lot of casualities. While the assyrians were fighting for the romans, some of there women were forced to have sexual intercouse with the romans, and when the Romans lost the teritory of Assyria, many belonging to the new generation had Roman blood in them, I personally dont believe in this theory cause it cant be proven, but just to let you know, i am not the only one who believe that many terrible things happened to the Assyrian people which affected their survival, making it very hard for every single Assyrian, to call themeselve pure blooded Assyrian.

Asm ccc 01:59, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dyk

On 26 January 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Munir Bashir, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Nareklm 18:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article Reviews

When you nominate an article for a GAR, please place a notification on the article's talk page, per the instructions at the top of the Good Article Review page. Thanks, Cbrown1023 03:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Refugees of Iraq

How do you think we could get the opening tag and the category tag,

re: article needing cleanup? I believe it looks more professional now. (The only spare threads are regarding the 80s war and the 1990 war.) Dogru144 09:35, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

PS, I've appreciated your edits on this part of the world. I've been curious about this part of the world and you've shed light on some tragedies.Dogru144 09:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Questions answered

I meant that you've answered many of my questions, in your contributions, regarding who are the Assyrians, where is there homeland, how have their travails been, particularly in the last 100 years.

This current period sadly is the most turbulent for the area since World War I. Peoples that have been in the area for over a millenium are losing their homeland.

Re, the refugees article, I hope to add more material, but I'm spending way too much time editing.Dogru144 17:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit]  ?

why did you revert my edit?. --Lanov 05:23, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

No! Why you reverted my edit? I didn't ask about the "re-moving". --Lanov 05:47, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Of course I didn't. --Lanov 05:50, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem. BTW, I think Lanov may be correct in this case. According to WP:NC, it's Wikipedia policy to use the most common term for something, regardless of whether it's correct or not. This is applied throughout our encyclopedia for establishing the titles of the articles. Here are some Google numbers:

• Results 1 - 3 of about 5 for "Hunayn bar Ishaq"
• Results 1 - 10 of about 11,000 for "Hunayn ibn Ishaq"

Or, if you trust printed books more:

• Books 1 - 1 with 1 pages on "Hunayn bar Ishaq"
• Books 1 - 9 with 350 pages on "Hunayn ibn Ishaq".

Khoikhoi 05:54, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

As for Rick James, I'm not sure if there's enough vandalism yet. Try listing it at WP:RPP and see if it get accepted. Khoikhoi 05:54, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Simele

By the way, that article might have some difficulty passing because of the large intro section. Nareklm 18:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah but im not too sure what to do but ill try. Nareklm 18:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

That's nice I've seen the protests with Armenians and Assyrians in Chicago too forgot the link though. Nareklm 16:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I got why was that:). Hope I will help. Cheers! Hectorian 05:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Kai to vrady:) (also at night, pity I have not been there yet...) Hectorian 05:44, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I will go there some day... even if not for a whole month. Greece has so many islands, that I cannot spend a summer in each, even if I had two lifetimes to live:). Hectorian 05:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CAnkawa images

The template specified that these images were not licensed for commercial use. That is a criteria for speedy deletion (I3). I didn't "confront" you [1] as I was just emptying out a deletion queue I had just created. It didn't appear that every image was uploaded by the same user. In any case, please don't upload any more media licensed under a noncommercial license. Thanks. Jkelly 19:38, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

There seems to be some sort of communication breakdown here. The images (the media) could not be used "for profit" (were under a noncommercial license), so they were deleted. Jkelly 19:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Are you trying to tell me that anyone, anywhere in the world can print and sell these pictures with the one exception of you personally? That's a very strange licensing arrangement, and it is not what the template said. You should probably have the copyright holder contact us at permissions AT wikimedia DOT org if the images are not under the license you indicated. Jkelly 19:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

That's completely different than your first translation and what the license template said. Please forward your correspondence, along with the most accurate translation that you can perform, to the email address above. Once we've received it, I will restore the images with the {{attribution}} template, which is what you are describing. Jkelly 20:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

For future reference, the ticket number is 2007020610000767. We need, at the very least, the actual email address of the copyright holder granting this permission. I do remember that you said that they don't speak English, and I don't intend to contact them, but we need to match an address to the website. You should have mail. Jkelly 21:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Just respond to the email, ideally including the original headers -- there's no reason to publish this person's email address here. I'll restore the images when we're all sorted out. Jkelly 00:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I have restored all the images except for two. The photographs of statues I did not restore, as we don't know the copyright status of the statues are. If you know when and where those statues are from, I can restore those as well; they look like they are very old, but they may be recreations. In any case, sorry that this was such a long process. Thanks for your patience. Jkelly 04:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of which, are we sure that the copyright to Image:Marshimun.jpg is owned by that website? Jkelly 04:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Refresh your cache. Or try going directly to the image description page. They're back. Jkelly 05:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aramaic Wiktionary

Seeing your knowledge in Aramaic, I believe that you may be interested in something that has been recently proposed on Meta. :-) אמר Steve Caruso _(desk/AMA) • Give Back Our Membership! 06:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Shlama. Yes, I applied already. Hope it goes through. Chaldean 06:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Would you be willing to voice your opinions under the Arguments in favour section? :-) Generally the more support it gets from established editors and good reasons to exist, the more likely it is to succeed. אמר Steve Caruso _(desk/AMA) • Give Back Our Membership! 06:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I forgot to thank you for signing your name under the users interested in forming an editing community! ܬܘܕܐ! :-) אמר Steve Caruso _(desk/AMA) • Give Back Our Membership! 06:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome!

Welcome to the project! I whope you'll enjoy contributing to WP:GREECE!--Yannismarou 21:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Greece Newsletter - Issue V (I) - January 2007

The January 2007 issue of the WikiProject Greece newsletter (the first issue after the merger of the History of Greece Wikiproject with the Wikiproject Greece) has been published.

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Thank you.--Yannismarou 21:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your attempts to get me banned will not work, anyways...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chaldean

I added some commentary so ASM will stop harassing YOU about the Chaldean/Assyrian issue.The Tsar is Gone but I am King 17:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Naum Faiq

Hi Chaldean, I saw the changes you made to the Naum Faiq article. I haven't reverted, but I wanted to point out why I made my changes. Despite your source, "Assyrian Old Brotherhood" is actually incorrect and should be "Old/Ancient Syriac Brotherhood". The Syriac Orthodox Church began using the term "Süryani Kadim" in the late 18th century and still uses it today. The association in Diyarbakir used the same name. Syriac Christians in the Ottoman Empire did not begin using the ethnic term "Assyrian" until the early 20th century and as you know, not all of them have accepted this designation. I can provide some sources for all this, but the best one is probably Murad Fuad Cheqqe's biography of Naum Faiq from the 1930s. Also, his newspaper in Diyarbakir was not really for all the different Assyrian communities but for Suryani (Syriac Orthodox/Catholic). I'll let you reply before touching anything. Best, Xemxi

I don't deny he was an Assyrian nationalist. I even wrote those sentences in his article. I do deny that there was an "Old Assyrian Brotherhood". There wasn't; it was called the "Old Syriac". Plus Naum Faiq did use the terms "Süryani" and "Süryani Kadim" in his newspaper (they are on the front page of every issue!). You can find references to this in his biography and in other secondary sources. In the US, things were different because he joined clubs which had already been established by Assyrians from today's Iraq and Iran so then these clubs were "Assyrian clubs". But while in the Ottoman Empire, the term "Assyrian" does not appear in Syriac texts before the 20th century. For this reason, I'm returning it to "Old Syrian" and I will put in the reference to at least one source too. Thanks for the link to the book by Donabed by the way. I hadn't seen it before! Regards, Xemxi

Coşkun Sabah Coşkun Sabah (16 October 1952, Diyarbakır), a Turkish musician of Syriac ancestry from Mardin. His mother was Roza and his father was Marsello. He composed more than one hundred Turkish songs and from the late 80s to the early 90s he attracted a large following with his pop and fantezi music. He is one of the most powerful oud virtuosos in Turkey. His notable songs include "Hatıram Olsun", "Anılar", "Aşığım Sana", "Aşk Kitabı", "Baharı Bekleyen Kumrular Gibi", "Sen Bambaşkasın", "Benimsin", "Gel Gelebilirsen", "İsyanlardayım", "Var mı böyle bir sevda", "Son Buluşmamız", "Bir PazarGünü" and "İşte Bizim Hikayemiz". His best-selling casette was "Aşığım Sana". He used to play at a venue named "Akatlarda sies" during the height of his popularity. Due to a secret recording made at one of his concerts, he initiated a court case and eventually succeeded in having all the casettes withdrawn from the marketplace. In the winter, he appears at "Biz Bize" in Istanbul on Wednesday evenings while in the summer, he composes new songs at his house in Türkbükü near Bodrum. He is the brother of Taşkın Sabah, who is an arranger for Gülben Erben.

Here is a quick translation of the Coşkun Sabah page:

I don't know if I can help too much beyond Syriac Orthodox in the late Ottoman Empire, but I'll add whenever I can. PS. I'm not Turkish! Xemxi 22:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I live in Turkey but am not ethnically connected. I'm a west European mix if you're interested. Anyhow, I'll add myself to the project. I'll create a page for Coşkun Sabah as well (not the entire translation however). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xemxi (talk • contribs) 07:28, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Fwd.:That was not a silly edit

Hi Chaldean. Could you please tell me from where you got this? -- Szvest - ^{Wiki me up ®} 14:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I dont understand what is being asked of me. Chaldean 16:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

You got a link above and i am asking if you are responsible of setting up that attack webpage. You have provided that link to harrass another user. So, my question is, for what reason have you used it? -- Szvest - ^{Wiki me up ®} 16:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not playing A game just merely proving A point.the Tsar is Gone but I am King 21:42, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discloses

Discloses that FACT that there is no ethic questions in the census or it is by "law forbidden to discriminate people" with ethnic background. Information (disclaimer) given to inform the reader that most of the information is secondary source and not related with Turkish state resources. Being in secondary source, not generated by the state ("census") is an important fact. If France can have the disclaimer, Demographics of France I do not see where the problem is. --OttomanReference 03:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Guys, you are acting on bias. The page is not about a general demographics. It is not about ethnic background distribution of any random area. It is about the "Republic of Turkey". The position of "Republic of Turkey" (or "France" on the other side) is not an undue weight. It stands under Demographics of France. Same reasons apply to Turkey. Please, show same balance. Thanks. OttomanReference 03:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

I live in Boston now. Nareklm 12:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unspecified source for Image:Assyrianareaasnewseek.png

Thanks for uploading Image:Assyrianareaasnewseek.png. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, then you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, then their copyright should also be acknowledged.

As well as adding the source, please add a proper copyright licensing tag if the file doesn't have one already. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Fair use, use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the image is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Wikipedia:Fair use) then the image will be deleted 48 hours after 10:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC). If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. —LX (talk, contribs) 10:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I notice that you have added the address to a page you claim to be the source. I don't see the image on that page and more importantly, I don't see any statement on that page placing images under the licence you have specified. Therefore, I have listed the image on Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images. —LX (talk, contribs) 17:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Replaced it with the right template. Chaldean 17:19, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe {{Newspapercover}} is applicable, because the map is not a scan of a newspaper page or article. There is also no fair use rationale provided, and there is still the issue of the image not appearing on the cited source page. As it clearly says in {{PUIdisputed}}, do not remove the template while the question is being considered. The notice is needed to establish community consensus about the status of the image, and removing it will not stop the discussion about the image from taking place. —LX (talk, contribs) 04:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe Newspapercover is applicable - this is YOUR opinion, because, because the map is not a scan of a newspaper page or article. it IS a scan of an article. There is also no fair use rationale provided, and there is still the issue of the image not appearing on the cited source page. The webpages change frequently, on daily bases, so your not going to see what you saw 5 months ago. I am reverting your edits. Chaldean 14:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

It is not a scan of an article, but an image taken from a news website. Existing consensus, as explained on the talk page of {{Newspapercover}} which I linked to, is that images with no text should not be tagged with {{Newspapercover}}.

Please read Wikipedia:Fair use criteria. You will notice that this image fails the first criterion: "No free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information. … Maps and diagrams can often be redrawn…" It also fails criterion number ten because there is no fair use rationale.

—LX (talk, contribs) 15:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

You a SWEDE obviously dont know about Newsweek magazine. You I have given a source and it is in the right template. You have no right to say it is not the right template. Why dont you prove to me it is not from the magazine? You go and buy the magazine. This is a joke. Chaldean 02:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm quite familiar with Newsweek magazine, but the image page does not specify a date and issue of its print edition. Instead, it specifies the address of a page on Newsweek's website. I do indeed have the right to raise my concerns that this image is not consistent with the fair use guidelines and that the licence template doesn't apply to it. I say again, removing {{PUIdisputed}} will not stop the discussion about the image from taking place. If you are interested in keeping the image, please discuss the matter and explain why it should stay. Removing the template advertising the discussion can only harm your cause by making it appear as though you are attempting to cover up the matter. Also, please keep discussions where they started, as requested at the top of my user talk page. —LX (talk, contribs) 03:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Claudia Hanna

Dear Sir,

I would like to correct the information you have on Claudia Hanna and say that she did not compete in any Miss Iraq pageant and she was only a runner up to Miss Arab World 2006, the unofficial version, and she stepped up to Miss Arab World title when the official winner was stripped off her title.

Miss Iraq 2006 is Silva Sahagian who crowned Miss Iraq 2007 Anais Catala on March 13th.

I think you need to correct the information.

Thanks your photo was taken from here http://www.waleg.com/photos/thumbnails.php?album=532

Alaa Abdul Hadi Miss Iraq 1996 Talat Organization--91.144.44.4 09:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)