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Why do you want to use 1991 census for 13million speakers when 15.4 million is current estimate per Ethnologue and Encarta? Can specify both estimate if you want 13million per 1991 census and 15.4 per Ethnologue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.173.224.32 (talk) 17:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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You may mention both, but what is the source of the Encarta estimate? Is it just the opinion of the author of the Encarta article? That is not a good source. Chaipau (talk) 19:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assam Barnstar ready for use and improvements!!!

Hi Chaipau, do check out the The Assam Barnstar. You might want to take a look at some tests I have done in my own sandbox. -Deepraj | Talk 10:43, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fonts

If the Assamese/Bengali script looks small, that is due to Microsoft's default font Vrinda being buggy. You can get better fonts here. Thanks. --Ragib 19:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for making assumptions, but I had faced a lot of users in the past who saw very small text due to the Vrinda font.
Now, I really see Bengali text in proper size. For example, look at the screenshots at my tutorial for Bengali Wikipedia here. I am showing examples from Bengali Wikipedia there, and the text appears in normal size ... not too small or big. And I used SolaimanLipi as well. --Ragib 20:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assamese Calendar

Thanks for your comments. Good idea. I have put a request at Talk:Bihu#Assamese_Calendar asking for more details from others who may be aware.-Deepraj | Talk 08:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Self Promo Pics

Cannt we use these two pics?.......yes, thr ws signs of the photographers.....but i only hv used these due to their true depiction of landscap in assam......doesnt wiki allow use of these?....do u hv an alternative?Porikolpok Oxom 15:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I think we have enough pictures and they won't be missed. Someone will definitely include such pictures in the future, without the copyright signs. You could even ask the authors to upload pictures without the signs. The copyrights look very ugly and make the article look desperate for pictures. Chaipau 16:01, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I think we dont hv enough 'good pics' depicting us properly!...yes, even if i get good replacements without the signs i will use instead of these....but why dont we use these till we get good alternative pictures?....we require one or two pics depicting unique landscapes in assam.Porikolpok Oxom 16:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Chai! check the pic 'bihu dancer with hrn', one of the landscp pics is frm the same source....will we be also able to upload it in the same method?...just check. Porikolpok Oxom 16:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
PO, the "Bihu dancer with horn" picture is fine. I do not have a problem with the source, but the copyright information pasted on them. As I mentioned, if those are removed from the two pictures, they will make beautiful pictures for the article. You could post a request for their removal. Thanks. Chaipau 18:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A new member.

Thank you Chaipu for inviting me to join the Wiki Assam Project. I have added my name. I have few photographs to share. Some are hosted at: http://tasir.piranho.de Mozzworld 07:09, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Charyapada

Thanks for the table, it is really looking nice. As for the Pada 4, the only reference book I am having at present (i.e.Charyageeti Padabali of Sukumar Sen)has mentioned Gundaripada or Guddari as the poet of Pada 4. If any further information is available, please convey it.Joy1963 14:17, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flag Of The Mughal Empire

Hi

I noticed the plag you added to the Mughal Empire article. I was indeed very interested in knowing what flags they used, though never really found out. Where exactly did you find this? AJ-India 03:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply.

AJ-India 07:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I was going through some flags that needed to be put into SVG and I noticed that a number of pages were still linking to Image:Flag of the Mughal Empire.png so I added a Should Be SVG and uploaded one myself to Wikimedia Commons. It was then that I realized that you had already uploaded an SVG replacement, but didn't link back. So I want to find out how to proceed, should I overwrite your image with the larger? MarsInSVG 23:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kaziranga up for FAC

Kaziranga National Park has been nominated for FAC .Kindly support at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Kaziranga National Park. Cheers. Amartyabag TALK2ME 05:43, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] Question

Why does Image:Flag of the Mughal Empire.svg have a black border around it like the awful PNG that is supersedes? 68.39.174.238 18:22, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Kanai Baraxiboa rock inscription.png

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[edit] Kirata, Kirant

I do realize that many different peoples are mentioned. But the people on whom you restored an article at Kirata are already described at Kirant, in exactly the same words! Are you saying there is an error? If the introduction or any other part of the Kirant article seems incomplete, you should supplement it there. Likewise, if Kirata Kingdom can be improved through additions, make the additions there. Surely three articles are not needed on these topics which are all related to each other (or at least, are related to each other according to the existing articles). The lead of Kirant currently says, "Kirant, Kirati or Kirat"; you could add Kirata there, if that helps. You could even suggest that the article Kirant be renamed, moved, or merged, if you think other editors will agree that this is appropriate. I am not completely closed to the possibility that three articles are necessary, but it is important to avoid content forking, and before I accept three articles, I will need an intelligible explanation of what the three distinct topics are, and why Kirant is in error as presenting the material you want at Kirata as part of Kirant. Feel free to respond here on your talk page--I'll keep an eye out. Wareh 00:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Kirant and Kirata are actually different things. Please look at the current Kirata, where a possible origin of the word is given as Kirant. Chaipau 00:14, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Also, the Kirant article is specific to some political formations associated with some specific groups in Nepal. The map shown ignores the Kiratas of North-East India. A single article for all the Kirata groups will become unwieldy and large. This has nothing to do with content forking. Chaipau 00:25, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
There are still two points I'd like you to address. The first is that, if you're right, and if you're not making a content fork of some kind, then you should also correct the Kirant article, which currently claims that they are not (completely) "actually different things." The second is that you're not making clear whether you think that your article Kirata and Kirata Kingdom are unrelated. If these two are the same usage of the word, then there should be only one article, and the work you're doing at Kirata should be merged into Kirata Kingdom. Unless you provide a clear justification for the existence of three distinct topics, then there will be no reason to retain three different articles.
The fact that you don't like the map, etc., would seem to be an argument for changing the map or a similar approach. The very definition of content forking is creating an article on an overlapping topic because you don't like the approach or definitions at the existing article; if that's what's going on, the solution is to change Kirant to where it's acceptable to all viewpoints, not to create a new article based on a divergent viewpoint. Wareh 00:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I am surprised you have reverted Kirata. First, by actually reading the article and following the references I have cited, you could easily verify whether I am right or wrong. Second, "Kirata" and "Kirata Kingdom" are again two different entities. Kirata is a class of people, identified in Sanskrit literature over a long period of time, whereas Kirata Kingdom is a kingdom that existed for a period in history ruled by some Kirata people. And it is not that I "don't like the map". The map defines a confederation of Kirata people. Is it difficult for you to understand that some Kirata people were not part of that confederation? Chaipau 01:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Also notice the lead in Kirant. The third sentence (which I have not changed) mentions other Kirata groups that were not part of the Kirant groups, but proximate to it. Chaipau 02:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I'll try asking this for the third time. Please read the section Kirant#mentioned_as_kiratas_in_mahabharat_epic. It is, verbatim, the majority of the article you are introducing under the name of Kirata. That is why I see the Kirata article as duplicative. Please explain. Wareh 02:38, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I am getting a little tired educating you. The Limbu, Rai, Yakkha and Sunuwar make the Kiranti group. The Kiranti along with the Dhimal, Hayu, Koch (Rajbanshi), Thami, Chepang, and Surel groups, with many others not mentioned here, make the Kirata umbrella group. In the Mahabharata, the Kiranti group were not called by their specific name, but by their generic name---Kirata. Does that make it clear? Chaipau 02:55, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
That is clear; I wish you wouldn't be so rude. Would you mind working on Kirant#mentioned_as_kiratas_in_mahabharat_epic to make it clearer that the epic Sanskrit "Kirata" has a different reference from "the Kirata umbrella group"? It's confusingly presented now, which is why I've put you to the trouble of educating me. Anyway, it's obviously not a coincidence that the Mahabharata uses "Kirata" in the narrower sense, since obviously they're all originally the same term, and could quite reasonably be consolidated into an "umbrella" article. However, I have no agenda here, so I'm happy to see separate articles, as long as the reader is clearly informed why they are separate subjects & how they relate to each other. I think there's still some progress possible there. Wareh 13:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
That is not true. The Mahabharata did not use "Kirata" in a narrow sense. It did not say that only the Kiranti were Kiratas and no one else. If a Chinese person comes visiting the US and says people speak an Indo-European language, that does not mean he is defining only English to be Indo-European. You are reading that section wrong. There are other portions in the Mahabharata that called other people Kirata too. Chaipau 13:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I understand, the Mahabharata simply uses the umbrella term. That was a slip on my part. Do you see my main point, which is that the three existing articles do not adequately clarify the relation among the three topics? Wareh 14:25, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I have no problem with the Kirant and Kirata maintaining individual existence. But IMO, Kirata Kingdom is poorly defined. This is because there was never a single Kirata Kingdom in Sanskrit literature. It is analogous to a hypothetical and meaningless article like Caucasian Kingdom. What the previous authors have done is collect all references to "Kirata" or "Kirata Kingdom" in the Mahabharata and construct an article from the assorted references. It basically serves as an index of sorts to Mahabharata, but I don't know what policy such article break on Wikipedia. Chaipau 22:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I see that you've been adding some cross-references, which is very useful. If I had your knowledge on the subject, the first thing I would do would be to fix the short section Kirant#mentioned_as_kiratas_in_mahabharat_epic so that it's clear what it does not mean. As for Kirata Kingdom, it is largely the work of a single editor, who may not have had the best judgment. If you think its material can better be broken up according to different divisions and parceled out to other articles, with the remainder article renamed, be bold, and more power to you! Good luck improving the situation, Wareh 23:36, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I have been making some changes. I shall correct theKirant#mentioned_as_kiratas_in_mahabharat_epic too. I just work sporadically, so bear with me :) Chaipau 21:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cuisine of Assam

If you talk of the common threads of food styles that the people of Assam share then you have to write about beef (called Goos)also, otherwise it will be incomplete or partial. It is realy a common and favorite dish of the Assamese muslims. You will find it (eg, Goos Bhaji, Kurma, Goosor Jul, etc) in every muslim household of Dibrugarh, Sibsagar, Jorhat or Golaghat. Their cooking style also different, as the way the Assamese muslims are different from other muslims in the world. They have local flavour. Pork is not a universal dish of Assam, it is neither originated nor characteristic of Assam. So I request you to review. user:wahabdr —Preceding comment was added at 17:21, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. It will be wrong if you think of communal smell. It is right, food habit and cuisine are directly related with religion. Ahoms used to take beef until they embraced Hinduism. If you look carefully, you will see 50% local flavour and style are inherent in the beef preparations in Assam. Thanks. talk 10:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


Whatever I added to Cuisine of Assam is indispensable to portray a complete scenerio of the Assamese cuisine. I'm still confused why it is been rejected —Preceding unsigned comment added by Footage (talk • contribs) 15:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Economy of Assam

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[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 6 December 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Maidam, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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[edit] Vowel length in Assamese

Hm, that's very interesting. I had never read anywhere that Assamese has contrastive vowel length, but you have provided a minimal pair. However, I don't know if that is a perfect minimal pair, simply because function words (like "he") tend to be produced in a phonetically reduced fashion... so they can often be much shorter than other words of the same shape. Do you have another example of a minimal pair showing vowel length distinctions, but using the same type of word in both? --SameerKhan (talk) 07:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi C, Please refer to SameerKhan's talk page for my 2 cents. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SameerKhan#Assamese_script.2Fvowels_etc

Priyankoo (talk) 00:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Aribam Syam Sharma

Hey Chaipau, I have started this page on Aribam Syam Sharma. However, I am not sure what to do with the copyright of the image file. I got it somewhere on the net.

Priyankoo (talk) 06:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Chaipau

Hi Chaipau,

Tuncrypt and I are discussing the use of our Wikipedia Romanization scheme for Assamese as opposed to IPA. I'd love to hear your input on the talk page. Thanks! --SameerKhan (talk) 23:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] sources?

Do you have sources at your disposal to verify what you say? Stating that they accepted the Hindu gurus and the Gods, and then stating that they didnt convert is your own original research. If they worship Hindu gods, and reliable sources term them as Hindu, then we report them as Hindu, see WP:V.Bakaman 03:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

The pattern I see is that some rulers converted, and then were absorbed back into animism. I have seen histories documenting the conversions of Suhungmung as well, and its fairly obvious that what you are saying about animism is true. However this doesnt mean the rulers did not convert to Hinduism, it just means Hinduism was transient among the rulers, rather than being firmly established like it was in Manipur under Pamheiba. I am under no illusions that all ahom kings were Hindu, but I do note that some were.Bakaman 03:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Conjuncts

Hi Chaipau,

Ah, sorry! I didn't realize there were differences in the conjuncts. I figured the main difference would be in the pronunciation of the conjuncts, but not in the actual shape of them. That's why I kept the pronunciations in a form of IAST, to keep them from being Bengali-specific (as you may have noticed, the pronunciations aren't even accurate for Bengali). But I can move my edits to the Bengali script page. Thanks for the heads up. I'm curious: what are the differences in conjuncts between Bengali and Assamese? Thanks! --SameerKhan (talk) 20:49, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, there are many triple conjuncts in current use in Bengali (স+ত+র = স্ত্র strô as in স্ত্রী stri, ম+প+র = ম্প্র mprô as in সাম্প্রতিক shamprotik, ঙ+ক+ষ = ঙ্ক্ষ ŋkṣô as in আকাঙ্ক্ষা akangkha), including the one you mentioned (জ+জ+ৱ = জ্জ্ব jjwô as in উজ্জ্বল ujjôl). Of course, in terms of sounds, many of them are not actually "triple". For example, উজ্জ্বল is not pronounced with three sounds in the middle, but two, at least in the Bengali pronunciation.
I agree with you that there is a difference in the interpretation of ক্ষ kṣô. Historically, ক্ষ is a conjunct of ক kô and ষ ṣô (Bengali shô, Assamese xô), but neither Bengali nor Assamese pronounces it as a conjunct of these two sounds. For both languages, ক্ষ is basically equivalent to খ্য in terms of sound. In Assamese, I believe the sound of ক্ষ is (k)khyô, and in Bengali the sound is (k)kho. (I left the first k in parentheses to represent how the sound is doubled when between vowels but not at the beginning of a word). I can make a note that the use of ক্ষ is the same across the two languages, although in Assamese it is considered an independent letter and in Bengali it is considered a conjunct.
Beyond the ক্ষ issue, I'm not convinced that the rules for constructing conjuncts is different in Assamese. Can you be more specific as to which conjuncts are constructed using different rules? I understand that the sound of each conjunct will be different depending on the language, but since the section was placed on the "script" page, it's really more important to show how letters (not sounds) are constructed. For example, although I transcribed ষ্ট with "ṣṭô", it is not actually pronounced as a retroflex sibilant and stop combination in either Assamese or Bengali. It represents shṭô in Bengali and stô in Assamese. But for both languages, it is still a conjunct of ষ and ট, which is the point. I used the variant of IAST to keep Bengali-specific pronunciations out. I also transcribed স্ব as "swô" to show how it comes from স + ৱ even though it's pronounced (sh)sho in Bengali and I'm guessing something like (s)swô in Assamese. Similarly, I transcribed জ্ঞ as "jñô" to show that it is constructed (historically and etymologically) as a conjunct of জ and ঞ, even though I believe it's actually pronounced (g)gõ in Bengali and (g)gyô in Assamese.
If it's only an issue of the sound, I think I will reinsert the consonant conjunct section into the article, and make a note that the pronunciation of the conjuncts varies greatly from the spelling (e.g. no Eastern Indic language actually pronounces শ্ব śwô as the Sanskrit-style [ɕʋʌ]... it's either [ʃ(ː)ɔ] as in Bengali or [s(ː)wɔ] as in Assamese... but both languages at least see শ্ব as a combination of শ and ব/ৱ), and that each language can pronounce each conjunct in a different way, even often differing between words. I will also include a note about ক্ষ and any other conjuncts that are considered to be structurally different in Bengali and Assamese. --SameerKhan (talk) 00:47, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, if I to reinsert the consonant conjunct information, I think it would be helpful to also include Assamese-specific conjuncts, as well, to show the huge potential for conjunct construction in the script. It's all part of the same script and I think it's useful, even if we repeat that information in the Assamese script page. --SameerKhan (talk) 00:50, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


No worries, there's no hassle. I'll reinsert the information. --SameerKhan (talk) 20:03, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Assm

Yes, little free now. How are you?...yes, go ahead....i blv we can initially try to reduce it to around 70,000bytes.....however, a major portion of existing 78,000 bytes goes under the references n frthr readings - which are not for continuous reading..some more curtailing could hv been done if we substantially develop the branch-articles....which is prbly the next step...Porikolpok Oxom (talk) 05:54, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Eastern Nagari script

I answered your question on Talk:Eastern Nāgarī script. I probably was a bit overenthousiastic indeed when making this move, and at the time did not realize that cut & paste moves where considered bad practice. I still believe that it's good to have Eastern Nāgarī script as main page, and Eastern Nagari script as a redirect there. Feel free to discuss if you disagree! Joost (talk) 16:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New User- please help

Hi i'm ishan. I recently joined wiki. I want to contribute to the Assam project. Please help me to get started.

[edit] Please stop including Bangladesh in your language section

Where did you find ppl speaking Assamese in Bangladesh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mousum (talk • contribs) 20:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Assam_historical_pci.pdf listed for deletion

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[edit] Move to Bodo Brahma Dharma

Agreed. Will take me a day (or 2) for crisp disamb page. Will keep you informed here. Yvantanguy (talk) 03:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Created Brahma dharma (disambiguation) and redirected. Please edit if necessary. Bye Yvantanguy (talk) 14:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)