User talk:Chaerani/Nial Djuliarso

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 2008-01-16. The result of the discussion was Delete.

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[edit] Transwiki

Due to ongoing AfD proceedings, I've taken the liberty of transferring this article to a more suitable wiki, Wikipopuli. If you don't want it there, just put a note on my user talk page. TheYellowCabin (talk) 23:40, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] From User talk:Jerry

The article Nial Djuliarso has been deleted again. I am tired of having to explain that Nial Djuliarso is a prominent musician in Indonesia. I created the page of Nial Djuliarso. Although he is not notable in the US, he is a notable jazz musician in Indonesia, because he's a child prodigy of jazz and has created a number of recordings which won awards in Indonesia. Deletion of his article is regretted. Again, I am really sad that Wikipedia uses American standard for notability, while ignoring people from developing countries. We can see categories such as Indonesian Journalist, Indonesian Musician, and Nial Djuliarso is one of them. (Sorry for the late comment regarding this matter because I was away to give birth of my son). The AFD has been discussed many times, it has been contested and approved to be reinstated. Please explain why Nial Djuliarso is deleted again on January 23. Chaerani (talk) 14:26, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

If you review the page logs:
02:27, 23 January 2008 Jerry (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Nial Djuliarso" ‎ (AFD: Deleted after discussion at Articles for Deletion) (Restore)
06:22, 10 January 2008 Stormie (Talk | contribs | block) restored "Nial Djuliarso" ‎ (28 revisions restored: Contested PROD: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 January 10)
03:26, 10 September 2007 Coredesat (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Nial Djuliarso" ‎ (Expired PROD, concern was: Non-notable musician.) (Restore)
--- You will see that what happenned is that an editor placed a prod notice on the article, which means that they felt the article was a very clear candidate for deletion, and that deletion would likely be non-controversial. They should have placed a warning template on the creator's talk page, as well. After 5 days this prod notice was not removed, per the instructions on the template, so it was then assumed that deletion was indeed non-controversial. Therefore Coredesat deleted the article after a likely quick, undetailed review.
--- Somebody went to deletion review and questioned the deletion. Our policy in such a case, (where the deletion was the result of an expired prod), is to immediately restore the article without any detailed review of its merit. Therefore Stormie did in fact restore the article.
--- As is typical in such a case, it was subsequently nominated for deletion at WP:AFD. In this process, the article received a thorough review by a wide range of editors, who offerred their comments and recommendations. After at least 5 days an administrator determined the rough consensus of those who participated in the discussion. As closing administrator I determined that the consensus was to delete the article. My own subjective evaluation of this article was not any part of this determination. I merely distilled, filtered and consentrated the input from the debate participants. That you were unavailable to participate in the AfD is unfortunate, but does not influence my decision to defer any further undeletion discussion to deletion review.JERRY talk contribs 15:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I wonder if you could send me the link to the latest AFD discussion that I have missed, that have caused you to delete the article. I am now appealing at DR. Thank you. Chaerani (talk) 16:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

The only AfD for this article is here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nial Djuliarso, JERRY talk contribs 16:26, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion Review

The closing of the 16 January 2008 AfD for this article was contested at DELREV. You may want to read the the discussion, where the result was "request withdrawn in favor of userfication". JERRY talk contribs 14:32, 17 February 2008 (UTC)