User talk:Chack Jadson
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to the page and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. BoricuaeddieTalk • Contribs • Spread the love! 21:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hello. This is a reply to your comment here. I suggest you create subpages for articles you plan to create, but are still incomplete. Please see Wikipedia:Subpages if you need more information. Also, if you think an article should not be deleted, please put {{hangon}} on the page and put your reason on the talk page, instead of adding comments on talk pages. I am a huge Star Wars fan, and I really want to see this article completed. I will remove the request. Please finish the article as quickly as possible. Yours truly, BoricuaeddieTalk • Contribs • Spread the love! 21:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hi Chack!
There is a message for you at Talk:Leonardo da Vinci. God bless!
--Amandajm 01:48, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hi Chack!
- The term Paganism was commonly used to refer specifically to the religion of the Ancient Classical period. In the 20th century it was often used in a broader and more disparaging way. Anyone who followed a religion that wasn't Christianity was called "a pagan". But given the date that we are referring to, it would mean specifically following the "Ancient Pantheon of Gods".
- I don't see any evidence of this in Leonardo's art, or his writing. There is one (only one) design for a painting of a Classical subject "Leda and the Swan". Michelangelo, whom we know was Christian, also designed a "Leda and the Swan". Neither of these paintings were actually painted by the artist. Both were painted to the artists' design by some other person. (This subject matter was popular with patrons bbecause it was erotic. They could show the female nude in a highly sexual context without depicting human intercourse which would have been improper. There are all sorts of other such subjects, some of them from the Bible, like Joseph and Potiphar's wife which was popular in Holland.)
- On the other hand, this was the period of Humanism. This means that people were taking a huge interest in Ancient writings, in particular, the Ancient philosophers like Plato. In Florence, the rich Medici family had an academy for the study of philosophy and art. Teaching there were some of the foremost Humanist philosophers. When Leonardo was about 20, he was associated with the Medici, but only for a short time. He said later, "The Medici made me, and the Medici broke me." I don't know what he meant exactly. I suspect that he didn't fit into the academy too well. He was a real live-wire- beautiful, funny, musical, strong and athletic, and with a voice that charmed everyone who heard it. He must have made a contrast to Lorenzo Medici who was the same age, but average height with skinny bandy legs, a beetling brow, a dished-in nose, a great big chin and a harsh grating voice. But don't get me wrong! Lorenzo was an attractive man as well. He had the most beautiful dark eyes and a smile that could melt butter, and he was fabulously wealthy, which makes a person a celebrity automatically. However, I suspect that he didn't want Leonardo around because he found an excuse to send him to Milan, where he stayed in the court of the Duke.
- Humanist teaching conflicted with Catholic Church teaching at the time. The church saw itself as the right and only way to God, through Jesus. The church, having traditionally been founded by Peter, held the keys to Heaven, and that was that! Humanist philosophy suggested that every person was in charge of their own destiny. That God (if there was such a thing, and no-one was stupid enough to say there wasn't because of the consequences) gave humankind direct access and also choice. This doesn't conflict with the basis of Christian teaching of course, but it made the individual more important and the church less important in the business of attaining salvation. The protestants, Luther, Calvin, Huss etc etc said pretty much the same thing, but they came at it from a different direction- straight from the Bible, rather than from Ancient philosophy.
- It is almost certain that Leonardo's views would have been Humanist. Michelangelo, who spennt two years at the Medici academy, was Humanist in his approach. This is very much in evidence at the Sistine Chapel. Being Humanist doesn't mean not being Christian. But it means that people can draw wrong conclusions. If you say that Leonardo followed Classical philosophy, then it is fairly easy to think this is the same as following Classical religion. If he followed the Classical religion, he was, by 19th/early 20th century definition, a Pagan. But I don't think this is the case. I suspect that he was more-or-less Humanist and more-or-less Christian and, being Leonardo, he probably asked questions about both. The thing we know for sure is, he did not simply follow the Church's teaching blindly. He was incapable of that. And when he was associated with the Platonic Academy, he probably would have got up their noses by questioning every single thing they said. One thing that we do know about him, as recorded by Vasari, was that in his old age, he studied the Bible and the teachings of the Church, and received Holy Communion shortly before he died. I will write that bit into the wiki page, OK?
--Amandajm 01:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC)