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[edit] Kidnapped?

The Ballad of Chasey Lain web page mentions she was kidnapped. I can find no reference to this. Anyone have any info? Afabbro 15:20, 9 July 2006 (UTC) Chasey was not the one kidnapped, but an another adult entertainment worker, Sharon Mitchell. To be exact, she was not kidnapped, but beaten and raped in her own home by an obsessed fan. "It was... was like death", she says in one documentary. Sharon later left the industry, returned to college and earned an MD or a PhD (human sexuality) depending on the source.

[edit] From Wikipedia:Votes for deletion:

  • Chasey Lain - stub bio of some porn star. Does Wikipedia need this? Methinks not. Kosebamse 05:32 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Seconded. -- Taku 05:36 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I disagree. There's nothing wrong with having the article, per se, although this one is poorly written. -- Zoe 14:02 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Why exactly do you think that an article on a porn star is not appropriate for Wikipedia? If it is because you disapprove of porn, note that we have an article on Adolf Hitler (hopefully you don't approve of him). If it is because porn is not a serious scholarly topic, note that we have an article on Monty Python, the antithesis of seriousness. -- Nelson 14:30 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I agree with Zoe that there´s nothing wrong with having it, but there´s also nothing fine with having it. One might argue that some porn stars (e.g. Linda Lovelace) have strongly influenced our culture and are therefore worth an article. Fine with me. But I don´t see any encyclopedic value in information such as "is sometimes refferred to as a goodess and also as every man's fantasy". There are thousands of porn stars in this world and we might spend thousands of hours describing their accomplishments, but what for? We might just as well leave that to the thousands of fan sites on the internet. It´s just uninteresting, a non-topic. Kosebamse 14:51 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I agree that sentence Kosebamse quoted had no value. I deleted it. However, although the stub as it stands is pathetic and unscholarly, I think that a serious article on Ms. Lain would have some value. What if you have never watched any porn and have no idea who she is, and you decide to look her up on Wikipedia? There should be a decent article there waiting for you. Will somebody please find out what movies she's starred in (as well as which porno productions, if you're into that sort of thing)? Pop culture is exactly where Wikipedia can outperform a traditional encyclopedia, although I certainly don't think that we should become Everything2, which has an article on "your mom" and many other totally unscholarly topics. --Nelson 15:15 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • The risk of Everything2-ification is always present here, and I think we should always try to decide what is encyclopedic and what isn´t, although that may be a very difficult task for Wikipedia as a whole as well as for every contributor. IMO, pornography-related matters per se are encyclopedic, and so are probably some famous porn actors, but not every star/starlet/wannabe etc. It might help to keep such entries but make them redirects to, say, erotic actor (although that entry itself is, alas, little more than a list). Kosebamse 15:34 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I do believe that if we have articles on punk bands (which I definitely support and have contributed to, such as NOFX) we should have articles on porn stars. Chasey Lain seems to be relatively famous, I heard of her through a Bloodhound Gang song called "The Ballad of Chasey Lain"... the song isn't great, but a wannabe pr0n star probably wouldn't have a song about her. --Nelson 15:44 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Picture?

-uhh, she's not wearing a top in the picture....and it's a nice beaver shot too. Not that I have any problem with that, because I don't...I was quite pleasantly surprised actually...but some of the censorship-loving conservative christian nazi propagandists that freqent wikipedia may think otherwise. As a result, perhaps we shoul lose the picture. It's easy enough to get pictures of her naked...I would much rather the article have one with her clothes on, most porn star articles do, although if it was up to me, wikipedia would be as smutty as the rest of the internet ;) Antimatter 04:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

The picture was added by a user who's been told that he can't use photos with a questionable copyright status before. Wikipedia doesn't have a problem with nudity but the user in question doesn't understand copyright law it seems. That's why I removed it. Dismas|(talk) 13:40, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

-a wise decision, no doubt. Still, it was a nice picture.... Antimatter 23:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I have a problem with displaying porn on this site. I realise she is a porn star, but there is no need to show her naked, or having sex with someone. It's hardly what I'd call encyclopedic. This is not because I'm a "censorship-loving conservative nazi propagandists" (the irony of using this choice of words to rail against propaganda is not lost on me...). - Ta bu shi da yu 12:46, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

User Gunrun1289 put a very explicit picture today (2006-12-26). I reverted the changes. I am neither a prude nor a "censorship-loving conservative nazi propagandists", but I believe that this is an encyclopedia that ANYONE can edit and see. Everyone has access to Wikipedia, even minors. We cannot allow to display such pornographic content here, although the article is about a pornstar. For instance, do you think Encarta would have this kind of pictures in it? I think we should consider vandalism if people continue to display pornography in this or any other article. Regards, Daguerio. Daguerio 00:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bloodhound Gang comments

Regarding the comments about Chasey which Dismas pulled out (as you can see in this comparison), the only link I can find online about this is [link to copyvio website removed]. About two-thirds down it says this about the two songs (the original promo purports to have been written by Jimmy Pop):

"The Ballad Of Chasey Lain"
I thought if I wrote a song about my favorite adult film actress, I would get to fuck her. She told me that I'm funny. What am I, in high school?
"R.S.V.P."
Evil Jared Hasselhoff and I wrote a script for Chasey Lain to read as sort of a response to "The Ballad Of Chasey Lain". Her read of the script was so good, I think she's a shoe-in for the lead role of Chicken Little at my little cousin's grammar school.

Given the amount of overall snark in the article, I'm not about to guess as how to read this from an encyclopedic viewpoint. Tabercil 22:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can't prove her name!

Because of her chosen line of work, there is an editor who won't accept anything less than the NY Times for proof that her real name is Tiffany Ann Jones. Catch 22. Because of her chosen line of work, the NY Times is not about to give her space. I am going to put this article in for deletion if a reference can't be found. Disclosure: I could care less. There is a location connection that children keep trying to make. If she doesn't exist, she could not have ever lived there, right? Fine with me! Student7 20:27, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Per our Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy, we have to remove uncited or poorly cited contentious material from the biography of a living person. In general, the real names of pornographic actors are contentious; they take stage names for a reason, and some have real problems in real life if their pornographic career becomes connected with their later life. There are exceptions, and some do reveal their birth names, but that needs to be cited too. The IMDB is edited somewhat like the Wikipedia, by a network of anonymous volunteers, and does not qualify as a good enough source for contentious information. E-Bay uses Wikipedia articles outright, and can't be used as a source, that would be like citing ourselves.
Classical good sources for names are the actress's official site, interviews with the actress on reasonably reliable sites, or somewhat reputable newspapers or magazines. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 20:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
In response to edit summary (Subject of article does not exist as a verifiable real person. Since her name cannot be verified, she is fictional and the article should be deleted) - that's just silly. We have lots of articles on people whose names we don't know, people with stage names much more prominent than their real names, and yes, outright fictional characters. Just because we can't verify her name doesn't mean we can't verify her existence. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 20:41, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
  1. People whose names we don't know: Cecil Adams
  2. People best known by stage names: John Wayne, James Tiptree, Jr, Abigail Van Buren
  3. Outright fictional characters: Kilgore Trout, Harry Potter ... --AnonEMouse (squeak) 20:55, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually I am very happy to have her without her real name. As you have pointed out, there are reasons why she doesn't want to be known by the real name she had as a child. I have been "forced" by circumstance to follow her for some time, and quite, frankly, I would not place a lot of stock in what she claims on her web page. I'd believe ebay or imdb before her! Student7 21:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't know how you could be "forced" to follow her but just because you have some grudge against her and therefore would not trust her when she releases info, doesn't mean that we can just go with some other source. Your personal feelings don't matter in this case. See WP:NPOV. Also, the phrase is "I couldn't care less". If you "could care less" then you at least care about the subject somewhat. Just a pet peeve of mine... Dismas|(talk) 21:54, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
S'allright, we seem to have worked it out! :-) --AnonEMouse (squeak) 21:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
BTW, because of anonymity, we don't really know her birth year or place either. Student7 (talk) 14:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC)